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Anonymous wrote:We flew sometimes at government expense for overseas flights, and the military at least doesn't buy a seat for your child who is under two. I had a lap baby who needed to be breastfed and the person in front of me reclined their seat fully. There was LITERALLY nowhere for the baby to go. I remember at one point thinking that maybe I could hold her over my head. Design flaw? Or massively inconsiderate? You decide. This was before 911 and I spent most of the flight standing in the aisle with my baby so Mr. Entitled could have his little nap.

YOu should have purchased a seat for your child, as I have done many times on international flights.

+100
And PP put her baby in potential danger

But she was doing something that was allowed under the rules, right? Isn’t that all that matters? That’s the standard you are applying to the a**hole recliner.

I'm "allowed" to hog the arm rest, get up and climb over you 20 times to go to stretch my legs.....I'm also "allowed" to yell across the aisle to my friend. But I don't do that because it is very, very rude behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:They are both jerks. He should have asked her politely to move her seat up a bit - it was hitting his knees. She could have taken the hint and moved her seat up a little to give him more room.

It's not that hard.

He never asked her to not recline her seat
Therefore he was in the wrong
You cannot always expect people to know what you are thinking, feeling. Language and polite language has been invented for a reason

He objected pretty much as soon as she did it though - it's not clear if he said something first and she ignored him or what happened. It's not like she was unaware that he was being bothered by it. She could have lifted the seat up a little as a compromise. They were both jerks.

But he didn't say anything
He was not authorized to start banging on her seat
He could have spoken politely about it instead

We didn't see what happened when she first reclined the seat. We DO see that she says nothing and ignores him completely when he starts tapping on her chair. Since we don't what happened when she actually reclined her seat, we don't know if he said something or not.

We do see that she says nothing to him, though. "Excuse me, sir. Your knocking on my seat, would you please stop?" Why? Because she knows that she has bothered him and is in a show down with him. She is as wrong, if not more wrong, than he is.

Violence is never right. Banging on chairs is not right
He could have spoken out instead of banging on her chair

In the video he is relentlessly banging on the chair that someone is sitting on.
End of story

Whether or not she should not hay reclined her seat is not relevant

Tapping on her chair was annoying, not violent. Even the rough bump that he gave her chair was not intended to hurt her. It was more along the lines of "you're bugging the crap out of me, lady, so I'm going to bug the crap out of you." I honestly do not understand why two grown adults would behave this way. They both behaved terribly. If she had just moved her seat up a little that probably would have avoided the whole thing.

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Anonymous wrote:We flew sometimes at government expense for overseas flights, and the military at least doesn't buy a seat for your child who is under two. I had a lap baby who needed to be breastfed and the person in front of me reclined their seat fully. There was LITERALLY nowhere for the baby to go. I remember at one point thinking that maybe I could hold her over my head. Design flaw? Or massively inconsiderate? You decide. This was before 911 and I spent most of the flight standing in the aisle with my baby so Mr. Entitled could have his little nap.

YOu should have purchased a seat for your child, as I have done many times on international flights.

+100
And PP put her baby in potential danger

But she was doing something that was allowed under the rules, right? Isn’t that all that matters? That’s the standard you are applying to the a**hole recliner.

Anonymous wrote:There's a middle ground. Recline but only partially. Don't recline if the seat behind you can't recline for some reason, or during mealtimes.

Yes, this is the polite thing to do. But no matter what, there’s no excuse for punching the seat in front of you.

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Anonymous wrote:We flew sometimes at government expense for overseas flights, and the military at least doesn't buy a seat for your child who is under two. I had a lap baby who needed to be breastfed and the person in front of me reclined their seat fully. There was LITERALLY nowhere for the baby to go. I remember at one point thinking that maybe I could hold her over my head. Design flaw? Or massively inconsiderate? You decide. This was before 911 and I spent most of the flight standing in the aisle with my baby so Mr. Entitled could have his little nap.

YOu should have purchased a seat for your child, as I have done many times on international flights.

+100
And PP put her baby in potential danger

There's a middle ground. Recline but only partially. Don't recline if the seat behind you can't recline for some reason, or during mealtimes.

After reading the article about this, I have a couple thoughts:

> He asked her to put her seat up during the meal so he could eat ... so she did, and only reclined after he was done eating.
> If he had said "sorry to bother you again, but I really can't sit without the reclined seat hitting my knees," I suspect she would have put it up again.

The key to his first request was that it wasn't "I don't think you should ever recline," but rather "I'd like to eat the meal."

> When she alerted the stewardess about the seat punching, the stewardess rolled her eyes and offered HIM a complimentary rum (yeah that'll make him behave better ... ), and gave HER a passenger disturbance notice, and threatened to have her escorted off the plane.

That is just plain weird. Either the stewardess is puncher-sympathetic (inexplicably) or there is more to the story? Why would a stewardess give a passenger a "disturbance notice" when the guy behind her is punching? If it all went down as the woman describes, that's the real issue with the airline.

I'm pro-recline. I recline when I'm tired so my head doesn't flop forward ... and when the person in front of me reclines into my lap, I figure that's the breaks and why my seat was so cheap. I'm 6' tall and usually just recline my seat in response ... and when I'm stuck by the bathroom at the back (like this guy was), I make a mental note NOT to choose middle seats over back seats in the future.

Anonymous wrote:I found out about 10 years ago on facebook that there are very clearly two camps of people - those that feel a seat should NEVER be reclined, and those that can't imagine NOT reclining their seats. It seems to split partially along lines of height. Men over 6 feet appear to believe it is against the law to recline seats because it "hits their knees" and people under 6 feet typically believe seats that are not reclined are too hard on your back (which is true).

My position is that seats are extremely uncomfortable and reclining them makes it slightly better. I have some shoulder tendon problems that reclining makes better. It is a feature of the seat that I'm paying for, and I should be able to recline it. What the anti-recliner folks seem to not realize is that if seats did NOT recline, the airlines would just pack the seats another inch or two closer together and they would just lose the legroom they feel entitled to, because it is just an artificial byproduct of the fact that reclining seats require an extra coupe of inches in between.

If you truly can't fit in a seat, either widthwise because you are too fat or lengthwise because you are too tall, then you should purchase an economy plus or business class seat. When I want more space or fly on a long flight, I fly business. It should not be my job to accommodate you by neglecting to use a feature that I purchased just because you do not fit in your own seat.

LOL so the only thing that matters is your comfort and everyone else can just F off? I sat next to a guy who was 6’ plus. When the lady in front of him try to recline her seat, the seat would not recline because it was stopped by his legs. She kept pushing the seat back and final turn around and told him to move his legs to the side. She was a tiny nasty little woman.

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Anonymous wrote:They are both jerks. He should have asked her politely to move her seat up a bit - it was hitting his knees. She could have taken the hint and moved her seat up a little to give him more room.

It's not that hard.

He never asked her to not recline her seat
Therefore he was in the wrong
You cannot always expect people to know what you are thinking, feeling. Language and polite language has been invented for a reason

He objected pretty much as soon as she did it though - it's not clear if he said something first and she ignored him or what happened. It's not like she was unaware that he was being bothered by it. She could have lifted the seat up a little as a compromise. They were both jerks.

But he didn't say anything
He was not authorized to start banging on her seat
He could have spoken politely about it instead

We didn't see what happened when she first reclined the seat. We DO see that she says nothing and ignores him completely when he starts tapping on her chair. Since we don't what happened when she actually reclined her seat, we don't know if he said something or not.

We do see that she says nothing to him, though. "Excuse me, sir. Your knocking on my seat, would you please stop?" Why? Because she knows that she has bothered him and is in a show down with him. She is as wrong, if not more wrong, than he is.

Violence is never right. Banging on chairs is not right
He could have spoken out instead of banging on her chair

In the video he is relentlessly banging on the chair that someone is sitting on.
End of story

Whether or not she should not hay reclined her seat is not relevant

Eh, he's pretending to be rocking out to the song on his earbuds and tapping the seat to the rhythm of the beat. She's pretending to be "relaxing" while the guy behind her stews. They are both losers.

If someone refuses to not recline, you can ask to be assigned another seat
If that is not possible, suck it up or fly first class

You know, a ton of people simply don't take flights that often, and many might not know etiquette. There are tons of people who have no idea it is a faux pas to recline the seat. Just ask kindly for the person to move it forward instead of getting into a rage first.

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Anonymous wrote:Team guy. Recliners are the same type of people who bring their "emotional support animals" or pets with them on airplanes.

Team guy. You’re the one who hogs the arm rests right?

+10000

There are two types of people in the world.

1) People who are considerate of others, and understand that their actions impact others
2) People who only think of themselves

You really think the guy in this scenario was considerate of others and not only thinking of himself?! I love the cognitive dissonance.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m short . I recline my seat for long flights. I do not think it is rude. People recline their seats, thaw the armrest (especially males). I blame the airlines. DCUM is not the etiquette guide.

The airline made me do it!



Pathetic.

I fully agree with the PP. The seats recline. If the airline isn't providing enough space to recline without infringing on the next passenger, they need to fix it and stop framing it as an etiquette problem. It's a design problem because they are cramming us in like sardines to maximize profits.

Everyone needs to seriously stop blaming the airlines. Just check out the income statement and balance sheet of almost any US airline. They are not raking in the money! Nobody wants to enter this crappy business. THe reality is that the business has expanded so much that now poor people are a huge part of the customer base. People don't want to pay more than $200 for a domestic plane ticket. And sorry, that doesn't pay the bills. The seats have been getting more cramped because of this. If you don't like it, fly business. When people start paying more money for bigger seats, the supply of seats on planes will shift to bigger seats. It's like saying why are their no flip phones anymore. Because nobody bought them! "It's an evil scheme!" lol

Look at you rich people, always above the fray.