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Anonymous wrote:I don't think any medical provider is going to say that if a someone is still alive without being provided services, that this means they cannot have had autism.

"Needs services" is not a matter of survival. It means that the individual qualifies for services, whether they were provided or not. You can perhaps survive without them, but you should be offered them.

The criteria for Level 1 says needs support to function, not services.

You do realize you are quoting a "healthline" article, not the specific clinical guidelines reference, right? It is written in lay language to explain things, and what you are quoting is not in the DSM. It's someone else's opinion.

Would it be helpful to link for you the actual clinical guidelines used by professionals?

Feel free! It is also in there.

Actually, there is no such thing there. They provide a few examples and end with "While the levels categorize people with autism by how much support they need, there aren’t any guidelines for what that support should look like."

For Level 1, they say, "People with level 1 autism often maintain a high quality of life with little support," then mention behavioral therapy as one possibility.

Right there in table 1.

What reference for the actual DSM-V diagnostic criteria for ASD are you using? Please link.

(Not the Healthline article, but the specific DSM itself.)

I can't link right now, but if you search for Pearson version you will see the included table from the DSM 5.

The actual DSM has additional language not often included in the online versions available to the public.

Table 1 does not say "support needed to function" or use any synonymous phrasing.

PS: Here's the Pearson link
https://images.pearsonclinical.com/images/assets/basc-3/basc3resources/DSM5_DiagnosticCriteria_AutismSpectrumDisorder.pdf

Table I states that "Without supports in place, deficits in social communication cause noticeable impairments. … For example, a person who is able to speak in full sentences and engages in communication but whose to-and-fro conversation with others fails, and whose attempts to make friends are odd and typically unsuccessful."

That's exactly what everyone who has been disagreeing with OP has been stating, no?

Note that it does not say someone with Level 1 autism cannot survive or function at all without supports, but that doing so comes with impairments. Isn't that what the author of the article was noting about her own life?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think any medical provider is going to say that if a someone is still alive without being provided services, that this means they cannot have had autism.

"Needs services" is not a matter of survival. It means that the individual qualifies for services, whether they were provided or not. You can perhaps survive without them, but you should be offered them.

The criteria for Level 1 says needs support to function, not services.

You do realize you are quoting a "healthline" article, not the specific clinical guidelines reference, right? It is written in lay language to explain things, and what you are quoting is not in the DSM. It's someone else's opinion.

Would it be helpful to link for you the actual clinical guidelines used by professionals?

Feel free! It is also in there.

Actually, there is no such thing there. They provide a few examples and end with "While the levels categorize people with autism by how much support they need, there aren’t any guidelines for what that support should look like."

For Level 1, they say, "People with level 1 autism often maintain a high quality of life with little support," then mention behavioral therapy as one possibility.

Right there in table 1.

What reference for the actual DSM-V diagnostic criteria for ASD are you using? Please link.

(Not the Healthline article, but the specific DSM itself.)

I can't link right now, but if you search for Pearson version you will see the included table from the DSM 5.

The actual DSM has additional language not often included in the online versions available to the public.

By "right there" do you mean that in that table, there is right there a stated "needs support to function" or "Actually, there is no such thing there" (as above)? I can't tell which you are claiming.

Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think any medical provider is going to say that if a someone is still alive without being provided services, that this means they cannot have had autism.

"Needs services" is not a matter of survival. It means that the individual qualifies for services, whether they were provided or not. You can perhaps survive without them, but you should be offered them.

The criteria for Level 1 says needs support to function, not services.

You do realize you are quoting a "healthline" article, not the specific clinical guidelines reference, right? It is written in lay language to explain things, and what you are quoting is not in the DSM. It's someone else's opinion.

Would it be helpful to link for you the actual clinical guidelines used by professionals?

Feel free! It is also in there.

Actually, there is no such thing there. They provide a few examples and end with "While the levels categorize people with autism by how much support they need, there aren’t any guidelines for what that support should look like."

For Level 1, they say, "People with level 1 autism often maintain a high quality of life with little support," then mention behavioral therapy as one possibility.

Right there in table 1.

What reference for the actual DSM-V diagnostic criteria for ASD are you using? Please link.

(Not the Healthline article, but the specific DSM itself.)

I can't link right now, but if you search for Pearson version you will see the included table from the DSM 5.

The actual DSM has additional language not often included in the online versions available to the public.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think any medical provider is going to say that if a someone is still alive without being provided services, that this means they cannot have had autism.

"Needs services" is not a matter of survival. It means that the individual qualifies for services, whether they were provided or not. You can perhaps survive without them, but you should be offered them.

The criteria for Level 1 says needs support to function, not services.

You do realize you are quoting a "healthline" article, not the specific clinical guidelines reference, right? It is written in lay language to explain things, and what you are quoting is not in the DSM. It's someone else's opinion.

Would it be helpful to link for you the actual clinical guidelines used by professionals?

Feel free! It is also in there.

Actually, there is no such thing there. They provide a few examples and end with "While the levels categorize people with autism by how much support they need, there aren’t any guidelines for what that support should look like."

For Level 1, they say, "People with level 1 autism often maintain a high quality of life with little support," then mention behavioral therapy as one possibility.

Right there in table 1.

What reference for the actual DSM-V diagnostic criteria for ASD are you using? Please link.

(Not the Healthline article, but the specific DSM itself.)

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think any medical provider is going to say that if a someone is still alive without being provided services, that this means they cannot have had autism.

"Needs services" is not a matter of survival. It means that the individual qualifies for services, whether they were provided or not. You can perhaps survive without them, but you should be offered them.

The criteria for Level 1 says needs support to function, not services.

You do realize you are quoting a "healthline" article, not the specific clinical guidelines reference, right? It is written in lay language to explain things, and what you are quoting is not in the DSM. It's someone else's opinion.

Would it be helpful to link for you the actual clinical guidelines used by professionals?

Feel free! It is also in there.

Actually, there is no such thing there. They provide a few examples and end with "While the levels categorize people with autism by how much support they need, there aren’t any guidelines for what that support should look like."

For Level 1, they say, "People with level 1 autism often maintain a high quality of life with little support," then mention behavioral therapy as one possibility.

Right there in table 1.

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Anonymous wrote:I admit this gave me a bit of an eye-roll. This lady went to Harvard on a full ride, writes and advice column for Slate and various publications, has 3 kids and a husband. And has just self-diagnose herself with autism..

https://nicole.substack.com/p/a-little-bit-autistic-a-little-bit

Ah, Nicole Cliffe. She is a piece of work (although her parenting advice is usually pretty good).

I used to follow her on Twitter (until she inexplicably blocked me). She is incredibly self-absorbed, loves drama, married a rich guy (which she talks about all the time). She's basically a queen bee type for the digital age.

Just coming in here to say basically the same thing. I've enjoyed a lot of her profiles of people, but Nicole Cliffe is mostly just really into Nicole Cliffe. A few years ago she converted to Christianity and wrote a huge article in Christianity Today about it. Not questioning her religion or her self-diagnosis, but whatever label she's identifying with--she's going to publicize the h*ll out of it.

A Healthline article isn't the right reference for ruling out ASD.

That's like saying a person cannot have influenza because some online article says that people with influenza need to wear a mask when out in public, and this person didn't.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think any medical provider is going to say that if a someone is still alive without being provided services, that this means they cannot have had autism.

"Needs services" is not a matter of survival. It means that the individual qualifies for services, whether they were provided or not. You can perhaps survive without them, but you should be offered them.

The criteria for Level 1 says needs support to function, not services.

You do realize you are quoting a "healthline" article, not the specific clinical guidelines reference, right? It is written in lay language to explain things, and what you are quoting is not in the DSM. It's someone else's opinion.

Would it be helpful to link for you the actual clinical guidelines used by professionals?

Feel free! It is also in there.

Actually, there is no such thing there. They provide a few examples and end with "While the levels categorize people with autism by how much support they need, there aren’t any guidelines for what that support should look like."

For Level 1, they say, "People with level 1 autism often maintain a high quality of life with little support," then mention behavioral therapy as one possibility.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think any medical provider is going to say that if a someone is still alive without being provided services, that this means they cannot have had autism.

"Needs services" is not a matter of survival. It means that the individual qualifies for services, whether they were provided or not. You can perhaps survive without them, but you should be offered them.

The criteria for Level 1 says needs support to function, not services.

You do realize you are quoting a "healthline" article, not the specific clinical guidelines reference, right? It is written in lay language to explain things, and what you are quoting is not in the DSM. It's someone else's opinion.

Would it be helpful to link for you the actual clinical guidelines used by professionals?

Feel free! It is also in there.

Okay, please indicate where the DSM-V indicates "needs support to function." I don't even find the word "support" in the actual diagnostic criteria,

Here's the link. Thanks in advance.

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/hcp-dsm.html

Op.. little known fact but before services ever existed, autistic people would spontaneously combust on their 18th birthday when they were no longer provided with parental support.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think any medical provider is going to say that if a someone is still alive without being provided services, that this means they cannot have had autism.

"Needs services" is not a matter of survival. It means that the individual qualifies for services, whether they were provided or not. You can perhaps survive without them, but you should be offered them.

The criteria for Level 1 says needs support to function, not services.

You do realize you are quoting a "healthline" article, not the specific clinical guidelines reference, right? It is written in lay language to explain things, and what you are quoting is not in the DSM. It's someone else's opinion.

Would it be helpful to link for you the actual clinical guidelines used by professionals?

Feel free! It is also in there.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think any medical provider is going to say that if a someone is still alive without being provided services, that this means they cannot have had autism.

"Needs services" is not a matter of survival. It means that the individual qualifies for services, whether they were provided or not. You can perhaps survive without them, but you should be offered them.

The criteria for Level 1 says needs support to function, not services.

What does that actually mean for someone like Temple Grandin?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think any medical provider is going to say that if a someone is still alive without being provided services, that this means they cannot have had autism.

"Needs services" is not a matter of survival. It means that the individual qualifies for services, whether they were provided or not. You can perhaps survive without them, but you should be offered them.

The criteria for Level 1 says needs support to function, not services.

You do realize you are quoting a "healthline" article, not the specific clinical guidelines reference, right? It is written in lay language to explain things, and what you are quoting is not in the DSM. It's someone else's opinion.

Would it be helpful to link for you the actual clinical guidelines used by professionals?

Anonymous wrote:I don't think any medical provider is going to say that if a someone is still alive without being provided services, that this means they cannot have had autism.

"Needs services" is not a matter of survival. It means that the individual qualifies for services, whether they were provided or not. You can perhaps survive without them, but you should be offered them.

The criteria for Level 1 says needs support to function, not services.