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Anonymous wrote:You want illegal immigrants to have a VA DL. If they get in an accident with you they can give a false name. You don't even know their real name.

Does it really matter though if they don't have insurance?

Why would they not have insurance if they get a license? If they are going to bother to get the license they are most likely going to be following rules which means being insured.

What world are you living in??

Likely Potomac or McLean. I know lots of people who think this way, usually wealthy people who want to continue to encourage the flow of undocumented immigrants to the US. She want to make sure she can continue to get her nails done at the nail place for super cheap (by the undocumented immigrants working there), so she's willing to overlook the law breaking.

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Anonymous wrote:You want illegal immigrants to have a VA DL. If they get in an accident with you they can give a false name. You don't even know their real name.

Does it really matter though if they don't have insurance?

Why would they not have insurance if they get a license? If they are going to bother to get the license they are most likely going to be following rules which means being insured.

What world are you living in??

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Anonymous wrote:The immigrant issue really transcends the classic boundaries of the social and economic. Many people will say, "I'm socially leftwing but economically rightwing," but these folks are a major, major drain on our economy. My kids' school has a few hispanics in each class. Their parents never show up to events, I've personally observed hired translators standing in the hallway waiting for no-show parents for HOURS for a parent-teacher conference, they need separate ESOL classes, they're on subsidized lunch and probably head start too, and then the kids misbehave and disrupt classes. It's a social and economic cancer

They are not drain on society. They are the legs on which this economy. Those kids will outperform yours one day. Watch it. While you are worried about ESOL classes, these kids grow up learning 2 languages. I learned Spanish after arriving in US because it's clearly the 2nd language here. Not a big deal. Why can't you? It's not a hard language. And if you can, why not help them translate.
I don't show up for the school events. School is for kids and not for parents. You should go to school for you and not hang around your kids' school.

My children speak two languages fluently and they didn't need tax dollars to achieve that. I speak three languages. Hispanic illegal immigrants will NEVER pay enough into the system to justify the exorbitant amount of tax dollars wasted on their underperformance.

DP.. get off your high horse. I can speak two languages, too, but it's incredibly selfish and naive to think that just because one person was able to achieve x with no help that others can do the same with no help.

More than likely that fruit or vegetable you ate (if you eat any, that is) was picked by an illegal immigrant. I'm not *for* illegal immigration, but I see those folks as people and not just a drain on society and realize that they do some back breaking work.

That's a lot of hate for people who pick your produce for you and your family.

I don't support exploiting people which is what we do when it comes to picking produce. Illegal immigration exploits people and puts them in a condition where they can't complain about it either.

Americans love for cheap labour needs to end. Same for exploitative H1B practices.

I am very much against illegal immigration and think that most of these farm jobs should be automated. But I take issue with the idea that illegal immigrants are "exploited" (except women who pay to be transported here and then are forced into the sex trade). People that cross the border illegally and work in these agricultural jobs have MADE A CHOICE that it will make them better off than their home country. If at any point they weren't better off, they could leave, but they don't because they are still better off than they were before. That is self-interested decision-making, not exploitation.

But yeah, the "Americans don't want to do these jobs" arguments get old. Americans don't want to do these jobs because 1) illegal immigration pushes the wages down; and 2) we pay people in the US not to work, so there is little incentive for them to do any job that is "hard."

I’m the PP and there is definitely some truth in what you’re saying.

I guess I mean exploit, in the sense that wealthy business owners take advantage of illegal immigrants. The business owners know that the illegal immigrants can’t get other, safer, better paying jobs. They know the illegal immigrants won’t report safety violations, etc. So they can ‘exploit’ that weakness.

You are right that they do have a choice in that they can return to their home country if it was that terrible here.

And I wouldn’t be super quick to dismiss women who are sex trafficked. The people who do the trafficking benefit greatly from our lack of enforcement of immigration laws. They know all the loopholes and take advantage.

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Anonymous wrote:You can read more about it in the Washington Post. They just ran this article in the Virginia Politics section, “Virginia poised to aid undocumented immigrants with driver’s licenses, other measures”. They are also pushing to give undocumented/illegal immigrants in state tuition. Don’t really understand how the licenses can work while the state is expecting everyone to update their current driver’s license to Real ID. I guess the VA Senate will be voting on it tomorrow.

You can register to vote via on any DMV drivers license application. Just check the citizen box on the basic and you can vote? The real id compliance date is 10/1/2020. All real id should distinguish between citizen and non citizen. With real id or proof of citizenship for voting registration with reasonable exceptions. 40+ years ago it wasn't a huge problem . Look at PA- realid for legally present non citizen and any other license expires to match date legal presence expires.

DC 's also expire https://dmv.dc.gov/page/real-id-proof-lawful-presence
Wash Post also had the South Korean illegally present wanting a license and I guess that's a visa overstay. S/he has documents from South Korea but is illegally present in the USA. Overwhelming focus in VA is on illegal immigrants - wait. Last time I checked this state was cap of Confederacy- it's ike MD and illegal immigrants. More of a priority than AA and Baltimore. Twisted.

Last year when this didn't pass Dems were quoted as 25% of illegals were from Asia https://bluevirginia.us/2019/01/driving-privileges-for-undocumented-individuals-in-virginia-fails-despite-massive-turnout-from-community-members-and-advocates

You can own a vehicle but not have a drivers license and vice versa. If you register a car and don't have ins you're supposed to pay 500. Car registration renewals do not require policy numbers and proof of insurance.

There are 5 states that offer 3 types of drivers licenses:

EDL-Enhanced DL Minnesota, Michigan, New York, Washington, and Vermont. Arizona, California, and Texas are working on implementing an EDL
US citizens and NY has a flag. https://dmv.ny.gov/which-id-right-me
This costs more money in NY than real id.

Real ID- VA does not offer EDL and charges more for real id which is the same price as not for fed purposes in NY. VA should have offered the 3 tiers.

So in NY if no social security number or declination letter how do they know who people are? Can bring in a foreign drivers license or passport or birth certificate or DHS docs etc. So I guess in VA the South Korean illegally present [assume visa overstay] would bring the passport , visa, complete with expiration dates. If illegally present and had no interaction with DHS or CBP and no ITIN and no foreign country documents? I guess if had a passport and visa and flew in and crossed would use that.

There can be fraud in those passports and visas - not Honduran and got in Barcelona https://www.laprensa.hn/honduras/962558-410/mafia-en-rnp-vendió-identidades-a-sirios-y-palestinos#ifrndnloc

So VA should have the 3 licenses NOT 2, charge more for non-citizens NOT citizens, limit time of license to 3 months for illegally present, cooperate with feds on databases. Check all names on licenses to vehicle registration and require proof of insurance . No insurance? Require and impound vehicle until it's insured. Confiscate license, permits etc.

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Anonymous wrote:The immigrant issue really transcends the classic boundaries of the social and economic. Many people will say, "I'm socially leftwing but economically rightwing," but these folks are a major, major drain on our economy. My kids' school has a few hispanics in each class. Their parents never show up to events, I've personally observed hired translators standing in the hallway waiting for no-show parents for HOURS for a parent-teacher conference, they need separate ESOL classes, they're on subsidized lunch and probably head start too, and then the kids misbehave and disrupt classes. It's a social and economic cancer

They are not drain on society. They are the legs on which this economy. Those kids will outperform yours one day. Watch it. While you are worried about ESOL classes, these kids grow up learning 2 languages. I learned Spanish after arriving in US because it's clearly the 2nd language here. Not a big deal. Why can't you? It's not a hard language. And if you can, why not help them translate.
I don't show up for the school events. School is for kids and not for parents. You should go to school for you and not hang around your kids' school.

My children speak two languages fluently and they didn't need tax dollars to achieve that. I speak three languages. Hispanic illegal immigrants will NEVER pay enough into the system to justify the exorbitant amount of tax dollars wasted on their underperformance.

DP.. get off your high horse. I can speak two languages, too, but it's incredibly selfish and naive to think that just because one person was able to achieve x with no help that others can do the same with no help.

More than likely that fruit or vegetable you ate (if you eat any, that is) was picked by an illegal immigrant. I'm not *for* illegal immigration, but I see those folks as people and not just a drain on society and realize that they do some back breaking work.

That's a lot of hate for people who pick your produce for you and your family.

I don't support exploiting people which is what we do when it comes to picking produce. Illegal immigration exploits people and puts them in a condition where they can't complain about it either.

Americans love for cheap labour needs to end. Same for exploitative H1B practices.

I am very much against illegal immigration and think that most of these farm jobs should be automated. But I take issue with the idea that illegal immigrants are "exploited" (except women who pay to be transported here and then are forced into the sex trade). People that cross the border illegally and work in these agricultural jobs have MADE A CHOICE that it will make them better off than their home country. If at any point they weren't better off, they could leave, but they don't because they are still better off than they were before. That is self-interested decision-making, not exploitation.

But yeah, the "Americans don't want to do these jobs" arguments get old. Americans don't want to do these jobs because 1) illegal immigration pushes the wages down; and 2) we pay people in the US not to work, so there is little incentive for them to do any job that is "hard."

Anonymous wrote:Don't get mad. Go out and vote.

I have been doing my part in every election, everyone needs to exercise their right and responsibility to vote.

Well, it’s a little complicated though.

Not sure about VA, but the deck is stacked against you in MD. MoCo has very specific rules about how election workers can’t ask for ID, etc. There is much potential for voter fraud and as long as you are in the books with an address, you may be able to vote even if you are an illegal immigrant.

Again, lots of money to be made by encouraging illegal immigration. It will continue as long as people are making money off it.

Anonymous wrote:You can read more about it in the Washington Post. They just ran this article in the Virginia Politics section, “Virginia poised to aid undocumented immigrants with driver’s licenses, other measures”. They are also pushing to give undocumented/illegal immigrants in state tuition. Don’t really understand how the licenses can work while the state is expecting everyone to update their current driver’s license to Real ID. I guess the VA Senate will be voting on it tomorrow.

You can register to vote via on any DMV drivers license application. Just check the citizen box on the basic and you can vote? The real id compliance date is 10/1/2020. All real id should distinguish between citizen and non citizen. With real id or proof of citizenship for voting registration with reasonable exceptions. 40+ years ago it wasn't a huge problem . Look at PA- realid for legally present non citizen and any other license expires to match date legal presence expires.

DC 's also expire https://dmv.dc.gov/page/real-id-proof-lawful-presence
Wash Post also had the South Korean illegally present wanting a license and I guess that's a visa overstay. S/he has documents from South Korea but is illegally present in the USA. Overwhelming focus in VA is on illegal immigrants - wait. Last time I checked this state was cap of Confederacy- it's ike MD and illegal immigrants. More of a priority than AA and Baltimore. Twisted.

Last year when this didn't pass Dems were quoted as 25% of illegals were from Asia https://bluevirginia.us/2019/01/driving-privileges-for-undocumented-individuals-in-virginia-fails-despite-massive-turnout-from-community-members-and-advocates

You can own a vehicle but not have a drivers license and vice versa. If you register a car and don't have ins you're supposed to pay 500. Car registration renewals do not require policy numbers and proof of insurance.

Don't get mad. Go out and vote.

I have been doing my part in every election, everyone needs to exercise their right and responsibility to vote.

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Anonymous wrote:You can read more about it in the Washington Post. They just ran this article in the Virginia Politics section, “Virginia poised to aid undocumented immigrants with driver’s licenses, other measures”. They are also pushing to give undocumented/illegal immigrants in state tuition. Don’t really understand how the licenses can work while the state is expecting everyone to update their current driver’s license to Real ID. I guess the VA Senate will be voting on it tomorrow.

Other interesting tidbits from the WP article:

"Many undocumented immigrants have resorted to getting their driver’s licenses in Maryland, which is possible when one’s car is registered in that state. "

That explains why there are some many Maryland plates seen in Northern Virginia.

An interesting financial motive appears, make money off these illegals:

"Last month, the Commonwealth Institute for Fiscal Analysis, a nonpartisan organization, estimated that a driver’s license law would bring the state as much as $17.7 million in extra title fees, car registrations and other taxes over the next two years."

Of course, glossed over in the article is the move give illegals in-state tuition. What's the cost of that? Unreported, of course.

The usual sob stories also appear in the article, with no background or context - just America is to blame for them not driving and how terrible it is for them.

Screw them. Deport all illegals. I hope ICE drops the ban-hammer on Virginia next.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/virginia-poised-to-aid-undocumented-immigrants-with-drivers-licenses-other-measures/2020/02/08/d8dbc7c6-4842-11ea-8124-0ca81effcdfb_story.html

Of course.

Follow the money. It’s always about the money.

Anonymous wrote:Sure. Anything to make it easier for people illegally in this country to stay. Screw the citizens.

So glad I moved out of VA and to a state that doesn't do this nonsense.

Where did you go?

This is the case in so many states all over the country. It’s crazy.

Sure. Anything to make it easier for people illegally in this country to stay. Screw the citizens.

So glad I moved out of VA and to a state that doesn't do this nonsense.

Anonymous wrote:You can read more about it in the Washington Post. They just ran this article in the Virginia Politics section, “Virginia poised to aid undocumented immigrants with driver’s licenses, other measures”. They are also pushing to give undocumented/illegal immigrants in state tuition. Don’t really understand how the licenses can work while the state is expecting everyone to update their current driver’s license to Real ID. I guess the VA Senate will be voting on it tomorrow.

Other interesting tidbits from the WP article:

"Many undocumented immigrants have resorted to getting their driver’s licenses in Maryland, which is possible when one’s car is registered in that state. "

That explains why there are some many Maryland plates seen in Northern Virginia.

An interesting financial motive appears, make money off these illegals:

"Last month, the Commonwealth Institute for Fiscal Analysis, a nonpartisan organization, estimated that a driver’s license law would bring the state as much as $17.7 million in extra title fees, car registrations and other taxes over the next two years."

Of course, glossed over in the article is the move give illegals in-state tuition. What's the cost of that? Unreported, of course.

The usual sob stories also appear in the article, with no background or context - just America is to blame for them not driving and how terrible it is for them.

Screw them. Deport all illegals. I hope ICE drops the ban-hammer on Virginia next.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/virginia-poised-to-aid-undocumented-immigrants-with-drivers-licenses-other-measures/2020/02/08/d8dbc7c6-4842-11ea-8124-0ca81effcdfb_story.html

You can read more about it in the Washington Post. They just ran this article in the Virginia Politics section, “Virginia poised to aid undocumented immigrants with driver’s licenses, other measures”. They are also pushing to give undocumented/illegal immigrants in state tuition. Don’t really understand how the licenses can work while the state is expecting everyone to update their current driver’s license to Real ID. I guess the VA Senate will be voting on it tomorrow.

Anonymous wrote:"I see illegal immigrants as people."

Well, I see other criminals as people too, but that doesn't give them the right to commit crimes without consequence. It is simple. If you want to be in this country, then do so legally and obey the laws. That's why we have them. If you're willing to do that then great, the more the merrier. Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

Second topic. Enforcement. Border camps, walls, etc. are mostly a waste of time and effort and can be inhumane. Reduce CBP and claw back that money. Pass a federal law upon the states and localities not allowing public services to ILLEGAL immigrants. Violating that law will result in loss of all federal funding from Feds to States. Pass a federal law (fraud and illegal hiring practices) on all business in U.S. to not knowingly and systematically hire illegal workers. Deploy business auditors from IRS or Dept. of Commerce (using money from reduced CBP) to randomly audit businesses of all sizes looking for I9 verifications of all staff (employed or contractors). Businesses in violation will lose license and be assessed a significant fine (one that will likely put the company out of business). None of this is violent or physically harms any children or adults. It simply works at the economics and services side of the motivation to come here illegally in the first place.

Finally, streamline the legal immigration process, particularly for those that can prove citizenship from central american countries and those that can demonstrate a high demand / low supply trade, skill, or expertise.

Agree with all of this. If a single Democrat would advocate for any of these ideas, he/she would have my vote.

Sadly, I'll be voting for Trump because of this very issue. Decriminalizing legal immigration, and increasing free public services to illegal immigration is NOT a good thing.

Anonymous wrote:Sounds great until they get into a car accident with you and then don’t have insurance and worry about the cops coming so they drive off.[b]
Not to mention, more of them taking jobs that belong to citizens and LEGAL immigrants.

Great idea, morons!

Happens ALL.THE.TIME. in Montgomery County. Ask around at work if you have any co-workers who live in MoCo. It's an issue for sure. Tons of hit and runs, especially in certain neighborhoods.