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Anonymous wrote:when rezoning takes place and OSSE creates space overage for at-risk set-aside for which schools do not meet a minimum threshold for % at risk based on IB enrollment. Politically volatile but practical and systematic. No individual school will do this independently and every "successful" school is already at or above capacity.

should add that DCPS needs to provide incentives for the schools to take on at-risk students and penalties for falling short.

In other words, you want at risk kids to be forced into crowded classrooms when every study in the world says smaller class size is better for at risk kids? Because these schools aren't going to get physically bigger.

Schools don't need to get physically bigger -- the zones just needs to get smaller. As PP mentioned there are federal subsidies for transportation.

As long at the schools can provide the space they obviously can't make anyone enroll in a system where choice is a premium. At risk families have choices too but more hurdles and the system needs to help with those obstacles. Schools would need to offer enough supports to draw and retain at risk students. These are public schools that should offer a level playing field anyway.

Ok, then that would necessitate more schools. How are ya gonna do that?

Not really. You can shift Janney kids to Murch or Mann or Hearst or all three.

No way. All of these schools are bursting at the seams or will be in the next 5 years. Have you seen the projected birth rates and predicted school attendance rates for Ward 3 over the next 5-10 years? Under the current system, OOB will be completely shut out of WoTP schools by 2025: https://ggwash.org/view/71802/can-dcps-survive-the-coming-enrollment-surge

The child growth is not evenly spread out - it's concentrated in Wards 3, west side of Ward 2, and EoTP north of Columbia Heights.

How will shrinking the catchment areas for JKLMM help create more room for OOB? The kids outside the newly shrunken catchment areas will need to go somewhere else. Where do they go that's decently close to their neighborhood? You shrink boundaries but the kids who are now outside the boundary will need to be placed in a school. Your proposal makes no sense.

That's why I think Bowser will dismantle the boundary system when she leaves office in 2022. It will be the lasting piece of her legacy and then she can go peddle herself as an "education reformer" and make money. Meanwhile, the rest of us will be left to navigate the mess she leaves behind.

That will never happen. And, please stop trying to use my kids for your SJW experimentation.

Sadly, it can and probably will happen. That tiny AU Park colonial you paid $1M will be worth about $800k overnight. What are you going to do about it?

Honestly, I’ll probably still move to the suburbs. I initially thought I’d “wait and see” what would happen to the schools. But I can’t stomach the idea of trying to get two kids to two possibly two different schools somewhere (anywhere) in the city, and then try to make my way to work by 8 AM.

Even losing $200K on my house, the math still works in favor of a move when you consider the cost of private school tuition, plus the fact DC doesn’t have a viable in-state college option.

I think the odds of this happening are really, really low. Myy kids are out of elementary school (currently middle and high school) so the odds of this impacting my kids school choices are very low and I do not mean to be cavalier. That said, my experience from the last boundary review is that no faction of the city wants complete lottery and it will not happen.

The last lottery review was driven by overcrowding at Wilson and Deal. The big changes to come out of that were (1) the Wilson boundary shrunk from covering 1/3 of the city to covering the boundaries of Deal and Hardy, and (2) Eaton was actually moved to be a feed to ONLY Hardy, it previously fed both Hardy and Deal at the choice of parents. The other big impact was taking a bit of the crazy out of DC boundaries. Prior to that review, boundaries did not "nest" meaning someone could be in boundary for a Deal feeder and have a right to attend Deal if the student attende the feeder, HOWEVER, a middle schooler that did not attend the feeder would attend a completely different middle school. Things like that were fixed. Plans for new middle schools were made.

The biggest problem across the city that is not being addressed is the lack of solid middle schools. There are many good elementary schools. For High School there is Wilson and many application and charter school options. They also have spent a lot of money upgrading facilities at underperforming HIgh Schools but the programmatic changes are slow in making a difference in outcomes. For high school students, there is Wilson, application schools.and charters and they are increasing applicaiton school capacity. For middle, there are a few (Deal, Hardy and for some Stuart Hobson) and there are charters. There are simply not enough good seats. Maybe they increase Hardy capacity. Who knows.i think a centrally located magnet middle school might be something to think about. But there are definitely options they are likely to take before going nuclear and all lottery.

Problem is more simple than that, poor kids will never perform at equal percentages as well off kids. End of story.

We can keep trying to help of course and individual results can always reach parity but over the course of thousands of students, trends will always play out not in their favor. We over emphasize school as a county to enforce social non-mobility knowing I’m our hearts that we need our jails full, floors swept and lousy jobs manned. The biggest fraudulent part was clumping the middle class into indentured servitude with student loans. College tract for all when 75% of the county can’t afford it is quite the scam. Keeping the poor.... poor was always easy, playing off the middle class’s backslide anxiety for profit with interest was brilliance. If you can’t buy a house due to loans you have to rent, don’t worry the 5% has your parents house to rent back to you. At least you’re not one of the people who didn’t go to college.

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Anonymous wrote:When they start forcing in bounds Janney kids to go to other schools. That'll be the day in DC.

What other schools, pray tell? Are there any schools even remotely close to that neighborhood that have room to spare?

I know kids who got into Key OOB recently.

Key taking more OOB kids is absurd. They already have TWO HOLE GRADES in trailers!

I thought that one reason for the John Eaton renovation and expansion is that DCPS wants to guarantee a minimum percentage of OOB students there, like at least 30 %. As the OOB percentage continues to fall in Ward 3 schools, at least one school needs to be designated and designed to help Ward 3 do its part for equity and inclusion. This would appear to be Eaton's role.

It's a good idea to designate Eaton as the Ward 3 school that still contributes substantial spots for OOB.

Grateful that Eaton is going to take one for the team!

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Anonymous wrote:When they start forcing in bounds Janney kids to go to other schools. That'll be the day in DC.

What other schools, pray tell? Are there any schools even remotely close to that neighborhood that have room to spare?

I know kids who got into Key OOB recently.

Key taking more OOB kids is absurd. They already have TWO HOLE GRADES in trailers!

I thought that one reason for the John Eaton renovation and expansion is that DCPS wants to guarantee a minimum percentage of OOB students there, like at least 30 %. As the OOB percentage continues to fall in Ward 3 schools, at least one school needs to be designated and designed to help Ward 3 do its part for equity and inclusion. This would appear to be Eaton's role.

It's a good idea to designate Eaton as the Ward 3 school that still contributes substantial spots for OOB.

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Anonymous wrote:Janney teachers are not prepared to take at-risk kids. The only reason Janney is high performing is the students come from families that are highly educated. The teachers are average at best and many have serious classroom management issues in the case when there is a child who is disruptive. Yes - the environment is better than most schools across DCPS - but it is not the end all be all.

Cause you rich privileged kids are never disruptive??? Try again.

You think rich elementary aged kids with two parents are as prone to behavior issues as at risk kids with impoverished home lives, a uneducated parent and society as a whole crapping on them every chance they get. I would say “try again” to be cute but I doubt you can do better. Look at suspension rates for poor dc kids and you can rationalize all you want but it is magnitudes higher and the administration is black so what exactly is your excuse?

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Anonymous wrote:Janney teachers are not prepared to take at-risk kids. The only reason Janney is high performing is the students come from families that are highly educated. The teachers are average at best and many have serious classroom management issues in the case when there is a child who is disruptive. Yes - the environment is better than most schools across DCPS - but it is not the end all be all.

Cause you rich privileged kids are never disruptive??? Try again.

You think rich elementary aged kids with two parents are as prone to behavior issues as at risk kids with impoverished home lives, a uneducated parent and society as a whole crapping on them every chance they get. I would say “try again” to be cute but I doubt you can do better. Look at suspension rates for poor dc kids and you can rationalize all you want but it is magnitudes higher and the administration is black so what exactly is your excuse?

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Anonymous wrote:when rezoning takes place and OSSE creates space overage for at-risk set-aside for which schools do not meet a minimum threshold for % at risk based on IB enrollment. Politically volatile but practical and systematic. No individual school will do this independently and every "successful" school is already at or above capacity.

should add that DCPS needs to provide incentives for the schools to take on at-risk students and penalties for falling short.

In other words, you want at risk kids to be forced into crowded classrooms when every study in the world says smaller class size is better for at risk kids? Because these schools aren't going to get physically bigger.

Schools don't need to get physically bigger -- the zones just needs to get smaller. As PP mentioned there are federal subsidies for transportation.

As long at the schools can provide the space they obviously can't make anyone enroll in a system where choice is a premium. At risk families have choices too but more hurdles and the system needs to help with those obstacles. Schools would need to offer enough supports to draw and retain at risk students. These are public schools that should offer a level playing field anyway.

Ok, then that would necessitate more schools. How are ya gonna do that?

Not really. You can shift Janney kids to Murch or Mann or Hearst or all three.

No way. All of these schools are bursting at the seams or will be in the next 5 years. Have you seen the projected birth rates and predicted school attendance rates for Ward 3 over the next 5-10 years? Under the current system, OOB will be completely shut out of WoTP schools by 2025: https://ggwash.org/view/71802/can-dcps-survive-the-coming-enrollment-surge

The child growth is not evenly spread out - it's concentrated in Wards 3, west side of Ward 2, and EoTP north of Columbia Heights.

How will shrinking the catchment areas for JKLMM help create more room for OOB? The kids outside the newly shrunken catchment areas will need to go somewhere else. Where do they go that's decently close to their neighborhood? You shrink boundaries but the kids who are now outside the boundary will need to be placed in a school. Your proposal makes no sense.

That's why I think Bowser will dismantle the boundary system when she leaves office in 2022. It will be the lasting piece of her legacy and then she can go peddle herself as an "education reformer" and make money. Meanwhile, the rest of us will be left to navigate the mess she leaves behind.

That will never happen. And, please stop trying to use my kids for your SJW experimentation.

Sadly, it can and probably will happen. That tiny AU Park colonial you paid $1M will be worth about $800k overnight. What are you going to do about it?

Honestly, I’ll probably still move to the suburbs. I initially thought I’d “wait and see” what would happen to the schools. But I can’t stomach the idea of trying to get two kids to two possibly two different schools somewhere (anywhere) in the city, and then try to make my way to work by 8 AM.

Even losing $200K on my house, the math still works in favor of a move when you consider the cost of private school tuition, plus the fact DC doesn’t have a viable in-state college option.

I think the odds of this happening are really, really low. Myy kids are out of elementary school (currently middle and high school) so the odds of this impacting my kids school choices are very low and I do not mean to be cavalier. That said, my experience from the last boundary review is that no faction of the city wants complete lottery and it will not happen.

The last lottery review was driven by overcrowding at Wilson and Deal. The big changes to come out of that were (1) the Wilson boundary shrunk from covering 1/3 of the city to covering the boundaries of Deal and Hardy, and (2) Eaton was actually moved to be a feed to ONLY Hardy, it previously fed both Hardy and Deal at the choice of parents. The other big impact was taking a bit of the crazy out of DC boundaries. Prior to that review, boundaries did not "nest" meaning someone could be in boundary for a Deal feeder and have a right to attend Deal if the student attende the feeder, HOWEVER, a middle schooler that did not attend the feeder would attend a completely different middle school. Things like that were fixed. Plans for new middle schools were made.

The biggest problem across the city that is not being addressed is the lack of solid middle schools. There are many good elementary schools. For High School there is Wilson and many application and charter school options. They also have spent a lot of money upgrading facilities at underperforming HIgh Schools but the programmatic changes are slow in making a difference in outcomes. For high school students, there is Wilson, application schools.and charters and they are increasing applicaiton school capacity. For middle, there are a few (Deal, Hardy and for some Stuart Hobson) and there are charters. There are simply not enough good seats. Maybe they increase Hardy capacity. Who knows.i think a centrally located magnet middle school might be something to think about. But there are definitely options they are likely to take before going nuclear and all lottery.

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Anonymous wrote:Janney teachers are not prepared to take at-risk kids. The only reason Janney is high performing is the students come from families that are highly educated. The teachers are average at best and many have serious classroom management issues in the case when there is a child who is disruptive. Yes - the environment is better than most schools across DCPS - but it is not the end all be all.

Cause you rich privileged kids are never disruptive??? Try again.

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Anonymous wrote:when rezoning takes place and OSSE creates space overage for at-risk set-aside for which schools do not meet a minimum threshold for % at risk based on IB enrollment. Politically volatile but practical and systematic. No individual school will do this independently and every "successful" school is already at or above capacity.

should add that DCPS needs to provide incentives for the schools to take on at-risk students and penalties for falling short.

In other words, you want at risk kids to be forced into crowded classrooms when every study in the world says smaller class size is better for at risk kids? Because these schools aren't going to get physically bigger.

Schools don't need to get physically bigger -- the zones just needs to get smaller. As PP mentioned there are federal subsidies for transportation.

As long at the schools can provide the space they obviously can't make anyone enroll in a system where choice is a premium. At risk families have choices too but more hurdles and the system needs to help with those obstacles. Schools would need to offer enough supports to draw and retain at risk students. These are public schools that should offer a level playing field anyway.

Ok, then that would necessitate more schools. How are ya gonna do that?

Not really. You can shift Janney kids to Murch or Mann or Hearst or all three.

No way. All of these schools are bursting at the seams or will be in the next 5 years. Have you seen the projected birth rates and predicted school attendance rates for Ward 3 over the next 5-10 years? Under the current system, OOB will be completely shut out of WoTP schools by 2025: https://ggwash.org/view/71802/can-dcps-survive-the-coming-enrollment-surge

The child growth is not evenly spread out - it's concentrated in Wards 3, west side of Ward 2, and EoTP north of Columbia Heights.

How will shrinking the catchment areas for JKLMM help create more room for OOB? The kids outside the newly shrunken catchment areas will need to go somewhere else. Where do they go that's decently close to their neighborhood? You shrink boundaries but the kids who are now outside the boundary will need to be placed in a school. Your proposal makes no sense.

That's why I think Bowser will dismantle the boundary system when she leaves office in 2022. It will be the lasting piece of her legacy and then she can go peddle herself as an "education reformer" and make money. Meanwhile, the rest of us will be left to navigate the mess she leaves behind.

That will never happen. And, please stop trying to use my kids for your SJW experimentation.

Sadly, it can and probably will happen. That tiny AU Park colonial you paid $1M will be worth about $800k overnight. What are you going to do about it?

Honestly, I’ll probably still move to the suburbs. I initially thought I’d “wait and see” what would happen to the schools. But I can’t stomach the idea of trying to get two kids to two possibly two different schools somewhere (anywhere) in the city, and then try to make my way to work by 8 AM.

Even losing $200K on my house, the math still works in favor of a move when you consider the cost of private school tuition, plus the fact DC doesn’t have a viable in-state college option.

Anonymous wrote:Janney and other privileged schools are supposed to be at least 10 per cent "at risk" students, yet crickets so far. DC needs more opportunity, equity and inclusion for its marginalized families, and Ward 3 needs to do its part. Yet we hear crickets.

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Hyde-Addison has a even more OOB. It's in Ward 2, but it feeds to Hardy-Wilson. Culturally, it fits better with Ward 3 than the other schools in Ward 2 (eg Shaw).

There are still a number of pathways for OOB kids to get into Wilson via feeders. Even Key has spots open up after kindergarten when the wealthy tykes decamp for private schools. If you have solid transportation and dedicated parents, the OOB spots are there. But they are getting harder to come by as more and more Ward 2 and 3 parents opt for DCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:When they start forcing in bounds Janney kids to go to other schools. That'll be the day in DC.

What other schools, pray tell? Are there any schools even remotely close to that neighborhood that have room to spare?

I know kids who got into Key OOB recently.

Key taking more OOB kids is absurd. They already have TWO HOLE GRADES in trailers!

I thought that one reason for the John Eaton renovation and expansion is that DCPS wants to guarantee a minimum percentage of OOB students there, like at least 30 %. As the OOB percentage continues to fall in Ward 3 schools, at least one school needs to be designated and designed to help Ward 3 do its part for equity and inclusion. This would appear to be Eaton's role.

It's a good idea to designate Eaton as the Ward 3 school that still contributes substantial spots for OOB.

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Anonymous wrote:When they start forcing in bounds Janney kids to go to other schools. That'll be the day in DC.

What other schools, pray tell? Are there any schools even remotely close to that neighborhood that have room to spare?

I know kids who got into Key OOB recently.

Key taking more OOB kids is absurd. They already have TWO HOLE GRADES in trailers!

I thought that one reason for the John Eaton renovation and expansion is that DCPS wants to guarantee a minimum percentage of OOB students there, like at least 30 %. As the OOB percentage continues to fall in Ward 3 schools, at least one school needs to be designated and designed to help Ward 3 do its part for equity and inclusion. This would appear to be Eaton's role.

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Anonymous wrote:when rezoning takes place and OSSE creates space overage for at-risk set-aside for which schools do not meet a minimum threshold for % at risk based on IB enrollment. Politically volatile but practical and systematic. No individual school will do this independently and every "successful" school is already at or above capacity.

should add that DCPS needs to provide incentives for the schools to take on at-risk students and penalties for falling short.

In other words, you want at risk kids to be forced into crowded classrooms when every study in the world says smaller class size is better for at risk kids? Because these schools aren't going to get physically bigger.

Schools don't need to get physically bigger -- the zones just needs to get smaller. As PP mentioned there are federal subsidies for transportation.

As long at the schools can provide the space they obviously can't make anyone enroll in a system where choice is a premium. At risk families have choices too but more hurdles and the system needs to help with those obstacles. Schools would need to offer enough supports to draw and retain at risk students. These are public schools that should offer a level playing field anyway.

Ok, then that would necessitate more schools. How are ya gonna do that?

Not really. You can shift Janney kids to Murch or Mann or Hearst or all three.

No way. All of these schools are bursting at the seams or will be in the next 5 years. Have you seen the projected birth rates and predicted school attendance rates for Ward 3 over the next 5-10 years? Under the current system, OOB will be completely shut out of WoTP schools by 2025: https://ggwash.org/view/71802/can-dcps-survive-the-coming-enrollment-surge

The child growth is not evenly spread out - it's concentrated in Wards 3, west side of Ward 2, and EoTP north of Columbia Heights.

How will shrinking the catchment areas for JKLMM help create more room for OOB? The kids outside the newly shrunken catchment areas will need to go somewhere else. Where do they go that's decently close to their neighborhood? You shrink boundaries but the kids who are now outside the boundary will need to be placed in a school. Your proposal makes no sense.

That's why I think Bowser will dismantle the boundary system when she leaves office in 2022. It will be the lasting piece of her legacy and then she can go peddle herself as an "education reformer" and make money. Meanwhile, the rest of us will be left to navigate the mess she leaves behind.

That will never happen. And, please stop trying to use my kids for your SJW experimentation.

Sadly, it can and probably will happen. That tiny AU Park colonial you paid $1M will be worth about $800k overnight. What are you going to do about it?

Isn't San Francisco a non-boundary, lottery school system? Also, isn't San Francisco one of the most expensive housing markets in the country? Despite the horror of your dc potentially attending school on the other side of the city and stepping over human feces on your daily commute to drop them off at said school and being accosted by beggars, real estate values don't seem to have taken a hit.