Anonymous wrote:Biden sounded great this morning. He’s fine - not crazy or dumb - and needs to pick a good VP.

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Anonymous wrote:Having talked to people involved w the campaigns, Joe Biden will almost certainly be the nominee. Only threat is if Bernie wins BOTH Iowa and New Hampshire. Get used to the idea of Biden as your nominee folks.

The campaign says he’ll win? I’m shocked.

Actually, staffers on other campaigns. Go off though ?.

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Anonymous wrote:Having talked to people involved w the campaigns, Joe Biden will almost certainly be the nominee. Only threat is if Bernie wins BOTH Iowa and New Hampshire. Get used to the idea of Biden as your nominee folks.

The campaign says he’ll win? I’m shocked.

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Anonymous wrote:OP The only viable “young and fresh” candidate is Buttigieg and I just don’t see that happening. Or do you mean Andrew Yang?

I’m not at all here to ask you to vote for my preferred candidate. Sincerely, I’m not. I’m saying please don’t vote for Biden solely because you think he’s “the most electable.”

I’d ask that you vote for the person who excites you. Vote for the person who’s ideas you love. Vote for a person who is more than a placeholder for 4 years. Vote for the person who will most likely live to see the results of their policies. Vote for the person who has an awareness of current ideas, beliefs, trends, culture...or, at the very least, an interest and ability to learn.

I know that you don’t mean it to sound that way, but these comments are incredibly naive and offensive. I appreciate the enthusiasm of youth, but your arguments would be more persuasive if you could convince your fellow millennials to vote in the same numbers as ‘the oldsters’. Believe it or not, we don’t all shrivel up and die once we hit sixty. A lot of us were fighting for your rights before you were even born.

I’m not a millennial; I’m a Gen Xer. (I will not assume you’re a boomer.)

I’m not naive. In fact, I pay attention. What I’m saying may sound offensive, and I totally get that. It’s true, though. Oldsters cannot carry the electorate alone. If you truly like Biden, I get you’re support. My issue is a lot of people are voting for him because they think he appeals to the masses.

He does not.

Why don’t you think that Biden appeals to the masses? Any data to support that? BTW, I don’t agree with you, but I like your spunk.

Not OP. This transcript from one of debates should say enough:
“I’ve typed out a transcript of what Biden actually said, verbatim. There are no typos. I’ve also noted where Biden closes his eyes, probably to concentrate, which he does whenever he seems to be struggling especially hard to string words together. Try to read through it slowly, word-for-word, resisting the instinct to mentally re-frame it into something more coherent:

“Well they have to deal with the– Look, there is institutional segregation in this country. And from the time I got involved I started dealing with that. Redlining. Banks. Making sure that we’re in a position where– Look, talk about education. I propose that what we take is those very poor schools, the Title 1 schools, triple the amount of money we spend from 15 to 45 billion a year. Give every single teacher a raise that equal [closes eyes] raise to getting out– the sixty-thousand dollar level.

“Number two: make sure that we bring into the help the–[closes eyes] the student, the, the teachers deal with the problems that come from home. The problems that come from home. We need–We have one school psychologist for every fifteen hundred kids in America today. It’s crazy. The teachers are reca–Now, I’m married to a teacher. My deceased wife is a teacher. They have every problem coming to them. [Closes eyes briefly] We have make sure that every single child does in fact have three, four, and five year-olds go to school–school, not daycare. School. We bring social workers into homes of parents to help them deal with how to raise their children. It’s not that they don’t wanna help, they don’t want–they don’t know quite what to do. Play the radio, make sure the television, [closes eyes tightly] the– ‘scuse me, make sure you have the record player on at night, the-the-the-the phone, make sure the kids hear words. A kid coming from a very poor school, [closes eyes] a very poor background, will hear four million words fewer spoken by the time they get there.”

Notice how it gets more garbled the longer he speaks. The response I transcribed was about eighty seconds in length. That was just one small part of a debate in which the former vice president performed no better and forgot three of his fellow candidates’ names.“

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Anonymous wrote:The he’s electable meme is a narrative based on a fallacy. It’s not true guys.

Let me be very clear about this: I adore Joe Biden. I think Joe Biden is a truly gifted, special person. He’s a national treasure with a real talent for comforting and relating to people.

That said, he is way past his prime, and it’s showing. He’s not up to it, guys, and you know it. Anyone with eyes and ears can tell.

Maybe the bigger issue is, as an establishment guy with a very long—and controversial—political history, he will not inspire people to vote for him. A bunch of older poll respondents say they’ll vote for him. That’s great, but young people (black, white, whomever) will not come out for this guy. Yes, even young black people will not come out for him.

Young people come out for candidates that excite them. That is not Joe Biden.

I’m against all octogenarians being president, frankly. I’m most worried about Joe, though, because people are believing this false narrative that he’s the most electable.

Just look at history, and you'll see that democrats win with young, fresh candidates that excite the electorate.

By the way, Hillary Clinton was the most electable, too...


—A black woman who cares

I agree 100%. I have no idea why the media and party establishment is pushing this narrative. Joe has run twice before and dropped out one other time before it began. He was a 1-2% candidate. He did not get any better since he last ran.

Excellent point, which I failed to mention in my OP. Joe is a proven loser candidate.

I am so scared we’re going to make the same mistake again.

Biden doesn't inspire anyone. Honestly I think Hillary can still beat him. His only argument is voters want to go back to 2008. Maybe. If people want to go back to 2008, it will be because of Obama, not him.

I have yet to see a single soul say Biden excites or inspires them (like Obama, like Bill Clinton, etc). They always say, He’s the most electable.”

It’s ridiculous. It’s a mistake.

Both Obama and Bill Clinton are in that small group of elite leaders -- Harvard and Yale law school graduates, HLR editor/Rhodes scholar, charisma, inspiring and having won tough national races. Biden was at the bottom of his class from a TTT law school. He only won races from a tiny state and lost big in his own bid for president. And he is 78 and declining fast.

^^Absolutely this.

I sincerely wish he would’ve never gotten into the race. I never wanted him to go out with a disappointing loss, but I hope he does at this point. He’ll never do it, but I’d love it so much if he backs out and throws his support behind a younger (younger than 70 years old) candidate.

There's no one else. Or he probably would have already done that.

Ridiculous take. Buttigieg is young, moderate, and brilliant. Even if not Buttigieg, we had some 25 candidates (20+ under 70 years old!) that Biden could get behind. He’s being selfish, and he’s exhibiting an embarrassing lack of self awareness.

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Anonymous wrote:OP The only viable “young and fresh” candidate is Buttigieg and I just don’t see that happening. Or do you mean Andrew Yang?

I’m not at all here to ask you to vote for my preferred candidate. Sincerely, I’m not. I’m saying please don’t vote for Biden solely because you think he’s “the most electable.”

I’d ask that you vote for the person who excites you. Vote for the person who’s ideas you love. Vote for a person who is more than a placeholder for 4 years. Vote for the person who will most likely live to see the results of their policies. Vote for the person who has an awareness of current ideas, beliefs, trends, culture...or, at the very least, an interest and ability to learn.

I know that you don’t mean it to sound that way, but these comments are incredibly naive and offensive. I appreciate the enthusiasm of youth, but your arguments would be more persuasive if you could convince your fellow millennials to vote in the same numbers as ‘the oldsters’. Believe it or not, we don’t all shrivel up and die once we hit sixty. A lot of us were fighting for your rights before you were even born.

I’m not a millennial; I’m a Gen Xer. (I will not assume you’re a boomer.)

I’m not naive. In fact, I pay attention. What I’m saying may sound offensive, and I totally get that. It’s true, though. Oldsters cannot carry the electorate alone. If you truly like Biden, I get you’re support. My issue is a lot of people are voting for him because they think he appeals to the masses.

He does not.

Why don’t you think that Biden appeals to the masses? Any data to support that? BTW, I don’t agree with you, but I like your spunk.

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Anonymous wrote:The he’s electable meme is a narrative based on a fallacy. It’s not true guys.

Let me be very clear about this: I adore Joe Biden. I think Joe Biden is a truly gifted, special person. He’s a national treasure with a real talent for comforting and relating to people.

That said, he is way past his prime, and it’s showing. He’s not up to it, guys, and you know it. Anyone with eyes and ears can tell.

Maybe the bigger issue is, as an establishment guy with a very long—and controversial—political history, he will not inspire people to vote for him. A bunch of older poll respondents say they’ll vote for him. That’s great, but young people (black, white, whomever) will not come out for this guy. Yes, even young black people will not come out for him.

Young people come out for candidates that excite them. That is not Joe Biden.

I’m against all octogenarians being president, frankly. I’m most worried about Joe, though, because people are believing this false narrative that he’s the most electable.

Just look at history, and you'll see that democrats win with young, fresh candidates that excite the electorate.

By the way, Hillary Clinton was the most electable, too...


—A black woman who cares

I agree 100%. I have no idea why the media and party establishment is pushing this narrative. Joe has run twice before and dropped out one other time before it began. He was a 1-2% candidate. He did not get any better since he last ran.

Excellent point, which I failed to mention in my OP. Joe is a proven loser candidate.

I am so scared we’re going to make the same mistake again.

Biden doesn't inspire anyone. Honestly I think Hillary can still beat him. His only argument is voters want to go back to 2008. Maybe. If people want to go back to 2008, it will be because of Obama, not him.

I have yet to see a single soul say Biden excites or inspires them (like Obama, like Bill Clinton, etc). They always say, He’s the most electable.”

It’s ridiculous. It’s a mistake.

Both Obama and Bill Clinton are in that small group of elite leaders -- Harvard and Yale law school graduates, HLR editor/Rhodes scholar, charisma, inspiring and having won tough national races. Biden was at the bottom of his class from a TTT law school. He only won races from a tiny state and lost big in his own bid for president. And he is 78 and declining fast.

^^Absolutely this.

I sincerely wish he would’ve never gotten into the race. I never wanted him to go out with a disappointing loss, but I hope he does at this point. He’ll never do it, but I’d love it so much if he backs out and throws his support behind a younger (younger than 70 years old) candidate.

There's no one else. Or he probably would have already done that.

Ridiculous take. Buttigieg is young, moderate, and brilliant. Even if not Buttigieg, we had some 25 candidates (20+ under 70 years old!) that Biden could get behind. He’s being selfish, and he’s exhibiting an embarrassing lack of self awareness.

In 10 or 20 years, Buttigieg may be very interesting.

The rest? Meh.

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Anonymous wrote:The he’s electable meme is a narrative based on a fallacy. It’s not true guys.

Let me be very clear about this: I adore Joe Biden. I think Joe Biden is a truly gifted, special person. He’s a national treasure with a real talent for comforting and relating to people.

That said, he is way past his prime, and it’s showing. He’s not up to it, guys, and you know it. Anyone with eyes and ears can tell.

Maybe the bigger issue is, as an establishment guy with a very long—and controversial—political history, he will not inspire people to vote for him. A bunch of older poll respondents say they’ll vote for him. That’s great, but young people (black, white, whomever) will not come out for this guy. Yes, even young black people will not come out for him.

Young people come out for candidates that excite them. That is not Joe Biden.

I’m against all octogenarians being president, frankly. I’m most worried about Joe, though, because people are believing this false narrative that he’s the most electable.

Just look at history, and you'll see that democrats win with young, fresh candidates that excite the electorate.

By the way, Hillary Clinton was the most electable, too...


—A black woman who cares

I agree 100%. I have no idea why the media and party establishment is pushing this narrative. Joe has run twice before and dropped out one other time before it began. He was a 1-2% candidate. He did not get any better since he last ran.

Excellent point, which I failed to mention in my OP. Joe is a proven loser candidate.

I am so scared we’re going to make the same mistake again.

Biden doesn't inspire anyone. Honestly I think Hillary can still beat him. His only argument is voters want to go back to 2008. Maybe. If people want to go back to 2008, it will be because of Obama, not him.

I have yet to see a single soul say Biden excites or inspires them (like Obama, like Bill Clinton, etc). They always say, He’s the most electable.”

It’s ridiculous. It’s a mistake.

Both Obama and Bill Clinton are in that small group of elite leaders -- Harvard and Yale law school graduates, HLR editor/Rhodes scholar, charisma, inspiring and having won tough national races. Biden was at the bottom of his class from a TTT law school. He only won races from a tiny state and lost big in his own bid for president. And he is 78 and declining fast.

^^Absolutely this.

I sincerely wish he would’ve never gotten into the race. I never wanted him to go out with a disappointing loss, but I hope he does at this point. He’ll never do it, but I’d love it so much if he backs out and throws his support behind a younger (younger than 70 years old) candidate.

There's no one else. Or he probably would have already done that.

Ridiculous take. Buttigieg is young, moderate, and brilliant. Even if not Buttigieg, we had some 25 candidates (20+ under 70 years old!) that Biden could get behind. He’s being selfish, and he’s exhibiting an embarrassing lack of self awareness.

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Anonymous wrote:The he’s electable meme is a narrative based on a fallacy. It’s not true guys.

Let me be very clear about this: I adore Joe Biden. I think Joe Biden is a truly gifted, special person. He’s a national treasure with a real talent for comforting and relating to people.

That said, he is way past his prime, and it’s showing. He’s not up to it, guys, and you know it. Anyone with eyes and ears can tell.

Maybe the bigger issue is, as an establishment guy with a very long—and controversial—political history, he will not inspire people to vote for him. A bunch of older poll respondents say they’ll vote for him. That’s great, but young people (black, white, whomever) will not come out for this guy. Yes, even young black people will not come out for him.

Young people come out for candidates that excite them. That is not Joe Biden.

I’m against all octogenarians being president, frankly. I’m most worried about Joe, though, because people are believing this false narrative that he’s the most electable.

Just look at history, and you'll see that democrats win with young, fresh candidates that excite the electorate.

By the way, Hillary Clinton was the most electable, too...


—A black woman who cares

I agree 100%. I have no idea why the media and party establishment is pushing this narrative. Joe has run twice before and dropped out one other time before it began. He was a 1-2% candidate. He did not get any better since he last ran.

Excellent point, which I failed to mention in my OP. Joe is a proven loser candidate.

I am so scared we’re going to make the same mistake again.

Biden doesn't inspire anyone. Honestly I think Hillary can still beat him. His only argument is voters want to go back to 2008. Maybe. If people want to go back to 2008, it will be because of Obama, not him.

I have yet to see a single soul say Biden excites or inspires them (like Obama, like Bill Clinton, etc). They always say, He’s the most electable.”

It’s ridiculous. It’s a mistake.

Both Obama and Bill Clinton are in that small group of elite leaders -- Harvard and Yale law school graduates, HLR editor/Rhodes scholar, charisma, inspiring and having won tough national races. Biden was at the bottom of his class from a TTT law school. He only won races from a tiny state and lost big in his own bid for president. And he is 78 and declining fast.

^^Absolutely this.

I sincerely wish he would’ve never gotten into the race. I never wanted him to go out with a disappointing loss, but I hope he does at this point. He’ll never do it, but I’d love it so much if he backs out and throws his support behind a younger (younger than 70 years old) candidate.

There's no one else. Or he probably would have already done that.

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Anonymous wrote:The he’s electable meme is a narrative based on a fallacy. It’s not true guys.

Let me be very clear about this: I adore Joe Biden. I think Joe Biden is a truly gifted, special person. He’s a national treasure with a real talent for comforting and relating to people.

That said, he is way past his prime, and it’s showing. He’s not up to it, guys, and you know it. Anyone with eyes and ears can tell.

Maybe the bigger issue is, as an establishment guy with a very long—and controversial—political history, he will not inspire people to vote for him. A bunch of older poll respondents say they’ll vote for him. That’s great, but young people (black, white, whomever) will not come out for this guy. Yes, even young black people will not come out for him.

Young people come out for candidates that excite them. That is not Joe Biden.

I’m against all octogenarians being president, frankly. I’m most worried about Joe, though, because people are believing this false narrative that he’s the most electable.

Just look at history, and you'll see that democrats win with young, fresh candidates that excite the electorate.

By the way, Hillary Clinton was the most electable, too...


—A black woman who cares

I agree 100%. I have no idea why the media and party establishment is pushing this narrative. Joe has run twice before and dropped out one other time before it began. He was a 1-2% candidate. He did not get any better since he last ran.

Excellent point, which I failed to mention in my OP. Joe is a proven loser candidate.

I am so scared we’re going to make the same mistake again.

Biden doesn't inspire anyone. Honestly I think Hillary can still beat him. His only argument is voters want to go back to 2008. Maybe. If people want to go back to 2008, it will be because of Obama, not him.

I have yet to see a single soul say Biden excites or inspires them (like Obama, like Bill Clinton, etc). They always say, He’s the most electable.”

It’s ridiculous. It’s a mistake.

Both Obama and Bill Clinton are in that small group of elite leaders -- Harvard and Yale law school graduates, HLR editor/Rhodes scholar, charisma, inspiring and having won tough national races. Biden was at the bottom of his class from a TTT law school. He only won races from a tiny state and lost big in his own bid for president. And he is 78 and declining fast.

^^Absolutely this.

I sincerely wish he would’ve never gotten into the race. I never wanted him to go out with a disappointing loss, but I hope he does at this point. He’ll never do it, but I’d love it so much if he backs out and throws his support behind a younger (younger than 70 years old) candidate.

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Anonymous wrote:The he’s electable meme is a narrative based on a fallacy. It’s not true guys.

Let me be very clear about this: I adore Joe Biden. I think Joe Biden is a truly gifted, special person. He’s a national treasure with a real talent for comforting and relating to people.

That said, he is way past his prime, and it’s showing. He’s not up to it, guys, and you know it. Anyone with eyes and ears can tell.

Maybe the bigger issue is, as an establishment guy with a very long—and controversial—political history, he will not inspire people to vote for him. A bunch of older poll respondents say they’ll vote for him. That’s great, but young people (black, white, whomever) will not come out for this guy. Yes, even young black people will not come out for him.

Young people come out for candidates that excite them. That is not Joe Biden.

I’m against all octogenarians being president, frankly. I’m most worried about Joe, though, because people are believing this false narrative that he’s the most electable.

Just look at history, and you'll see that democrats win with young, fresh candidates that excite the electorate.

By the way, Hillary Clinton was the most electable, too...


—A black woman who cares

I agree 100%. I have no idea why the media and party establishment is pushing this narrative. Joe has run twice before and dropped out one other time before it began. He was a 1-2% candidate. He did not get any better since he last ran.

Excellent point, which I failed to mention in my OP. Joe is a proven loser candidate.

I am so scared we’re going to make the same mistake again.

Biden doesn't inspire anyone. Honestly I think Hillary can still beat him. His only argument is voters want to go back to 2008. Maybe. If people want to go back to 2008, it will be because of Obama, not him.

I have yet to see a single soul say Biden excites or inspires them (like Obama, like Bill Clinton, etc). They always say, He’s the most electable.”

It’s ridiculous. It’s a mistake.

I did. I posted, and others agreed with me.

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Anonymous wrote:The he’s electable meme is a narrative based on a fallacy. It’s not true guys.

Let me be very clear about this: I adore Joe Biden. I think Joe Biden is a truly gifted, special person. He’s a national treasure with a real talent for comforting and relating to people.

That said, he is way past his prime, and it’s showing. He’s not up to it, guys, and you know it. Anyone with eyes and ears can tell.

Maybe the bigger issue is, as an establishment guy with a very long—and controversial—political history, he will not inspire people to vote for him. A bunch of older poll respondents say they’ll vote for him. That’s great, but young people (black, white, whomever) will not come out for this guy. Yes, even young black people will not come out for him.

Young people come out for candidates that excite them. That is not Joe Biden.

I’m against all octogenarians being president, frankly. I’m most worried about Joe, though, because people are believing this false narrative that he’s the most electable.

Just look at history, and you'll see that democrats win with young, fresh candidates that excite the electorate.

By the way, Hillary Clinton was the most electable, too...


—A black woman who cares

I agree 100%. I have no idea why the media and party establishment is pushing this narrative. Joe has run twice before and dropped out one other time before it began. He was a 1-2% candidate. He did not get any better since he last ran.

Excellent point, which I failed to mention in my OP. Joe is a proven loser candidate.

I am so scared we’re going to make the same mistake again.

Biden doesn't inspire anyone. Honestly I think Hillary can still beat him. His only argument is voters want to go back to 2008. Maybe. If people want to go back to 2008, it will be because of Obama, not him.

I have yet to see a single soul say Biden excites or inspires them (like Obama, like Bill Clinton, etc). They always say, He’s the most electable.”

It’s ridiculous. It’s a mistake.

Both Obama and Bill Clinton are in that small group of elite leaders -- Harvard and Yale law school graduates, HLR editor/Rhodes scholar, charisma, inspiring and having won tough national races. Biden was at the bottom of his class from a TTT law school. He only won races from a tiny state and lost big in his own bid for president. And he is 78 and declining fast.

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Anonymous wrote:The he’s electable meme is a narrative based on a fallacy. It’s not true guys.

Let me be very clear about this: I adore Joe Biden. I think Joe Biden is a truly gifted, special person. He’s a national treasure with a real talent for comforting and relating to people.

That said, he is way past his prime, and it’s showing. He’s not up to it, guys, and you know it. Anyone with eyes and ears can tell.

Maybe the bigger issue is, as an establishment guy with a very long—and controversial—political history, he will not inspire people to vote for him. A bunch of older poll respondents say they’ll vote for him. That’s great, but young people (black, white, whomever) will not come out for this guy. Yes, even young black people will not come out for him.

Young people come out for candidates that excite them. That is not Joe Biden.

I’m against all octogenarians being president, frankly. I’m most worried about Joe, though, because people are believing this false narrative that he’s the most electable.

Just look at history, and you'll see that democrats win with young, fresh candidates that excite the electorate.

By the way, Hillary Clinton was the most electable, too...


—A black woman who cares

I agree 100%. I have no idea why the media and party establishment is pushing this narrative. Joe has run twice before and dropped out one other time before it began. He was a 1-2% candidate. He did not get any better since he last ran.

Excellent point, which I failed to mention in my OP. Joe is a proven loser candidate.

I am so scared we’re going to make the same mistake again.

Biden doesn't inspire anyone. Honestly I think Hillary can still beat him. His only argument is voters want to go back to 2008. Maybe. If people want to go back to 2008, it will be because of Obama, not him.

I have yet to see a single soul say Biden excites or inspires them (like Obama, like Bill Clinton, etc). They always say, He’s the most electable.”

It’s ridiculous. It’s a mistake.