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Anonymous wrote:Further, if a man can simply identify as a women, why do we have men's and women's' sports?! There are barely any trans-men trying to compete in pro sports. Enough is enough, leave us women to our own sports!

Biological men shouldn't be competing against biological females. Period. In fact, if you want to drum biological females out of sports altogether, making them compete against biological males would be the way to do it.

Mmmkay
What should we do about women who have naturally high testosterone levels? Or Androgen insensitivity? They are XY but have "female" external genitalia. Or any number of Intersex conditions?
Or maybe...just maybe.. sex and gender are complicated and non-binary.

For most people it is not complicated. People like Bruce/Caitlin Jenner are born one sex and then identify as another sex. Do you think that Jenner should have been able to compete as a female? i don't.

So what if the trans woman had bottom surgery? Or took an androgen blocking drug? Aren't they then just like someone born Androgen Insensitive?

No. They are a person who developed biologically as a man and then chose to surgically alter their body with surgery and feminizing hormones. It doesn't change the fact that their body developed as a male, though.

But once the testosterone is gone...that boost it gives to lean muscle mass is gone too and the muscles atrophy.

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Anonymous wrote:Further, if a man can simply identify as a women, why do we have men's and women's' sports?! There are barely any trans-men trying to compete in pro sports. Enough is enough, leave us women to our own sports!

Biological men shouldn't be competing against biological females. Period. In fact, if you want to drum biological females out of sports altogether, making them compete against biological males would be the way to do it.

Mmmkay
What should we do about women who have naturally high testosterone levels? Or Androgen insensitivity? They are XY but have "female" external genitalia. Or any number of Intersex conditions?
Or maybe...just maybe.. sex and gender are complicated and non-binary.

For most people it is not complicated. People like Bruce/Caitlin Jenner are born one sex and then identify as another sex. Do you think that Jenner should have been able to compete as a female? i don't.

So what if the trans woman had bottom surgery? Or took an androgen blocking drug? Aren't they then just like someone born Androgen Insensitive?

No. They are a person who developed biologically as a man and then chose to surgically alter their body with surgery and feminizing hormones. It doesn't change the fact that their body developed as a male, though.

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Anonymous wrote:Further, if a man can simply identify as a women, why do we have men's and women's' sports?! There are barely any trans-men trying to compete in pro sports. Enough is enough, leave us women to our own sports!

Biological men shouldn't be competing against biological females. Period. In fact, if you want to drum biological females out of sports altogether, making them compete against biological males would be the way to do it.

Mmmkay
What should we do about women who have naturally high testosterone levels? Or Androgen insensitivity? They are XY but have "female" external genitalia. Or any number of Intersex conditions?
Or maybe...just maybe.. sex and gender are complicated and non-binary.

For most people it is not complicated. People like Bruce/Caitlin Jenner are born one sex and then identify as another sex. Do you think that Jenner should have been able to compete as a female? i don't.

So what if the trans woman had bottom surgery? Or took an androgen blocking drug? Aren't they then just like someone born Androgen Insensitive?

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Anonymous wrote:Further, if a man can simply identify as a women, why do we have men's and women's' sports?! There are barely any trans-men trying to compete in pro sports. Enough is enough, leave us women to our own sports!

Biological men shouldn't be competing against biological females. Period. In fact, if you want to drum biological females out of sports altogether, making them compete against biological males would be the way to do it.

Mmmkay
What should we do about women who have naturally high testosterone levels? Or Androgen insensitivity? They are XY but have "female" external genitalia. Or any number of Intersex conditions?
Or maybe...just maybe.. sex and gender are complicated and non-binary.

For most people it is not complicated. People like Bruce/Caitlin Jenner are born one sex and then identify as another sex. Do you think that Jenner should have been able to compete as a female? i don't.

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Anonymous wrote:Further, if a man can simply identify as a women, why do we have men's and women's' sports?! There are barely any trans-men trying to compete in pro sports. Enough is enough, leave us women to our own sports!

Biological men shouldn't be competing against biological females. Period. In fact, if you want to drum biological females out of sports altogether, making them compete against biological males would be the way to do it.

Mmmkay
What should we do about women who have naturally high testosterone levels? Or Androgen insensitivity? They are XY but have "female" external genitalia. Or any number of Intersex conditions?
Or maybe...just maybe.. sex and gender are complicated and non-binary.

Anonymous wrote:Further, if a man can simply identify as a women, why do we have men's and women's' sports?! There are barely any trans-men trying to compete in pro sports. Enough is enough, leave us women to our own sports!

Biological men shouldn't be competing against biological females. Period. In fact, if you want to drum biological females out of sports altogether, making them compete against biological males would be the way to do it.

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Anonymous wrote:The left has made any form of criticism or comment that opposes Democratic ideology racist so everything but how incredibly wonderful! Is racist.
And the war on white Protestants is unending.

I’m a white Protestant and I don’t feel at all as if there’s a war against me. Can you provide details? Perhaps I should be stocking provisions and ammunition.

There are so many examples. School children through HS learn only about minority accomplishments. The names of all historic places are changed to accommodate the new racist views. Northern European cultures are not studied at all in schools. Reading materials for schools focus solely on blacks immigrants and the Jewish religion. ANY comment other than the wonder of minorities is racist. It’s not about guns PP it’s about attitudes.

My kids learn PLENTY about Europe and white accomplishments in school. My DD did a living history project about Helen Keller this year. She was white and Protestant. My kids all love George Washington, Jefferson etc. B.c of what they learned in school.

Please stop learning about what happens in school from Fox or Limbaugh. They are lying to you.

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OP I do I fear that there is a subsection of society that has definitely become emboldened to express their racist mindset. I am an UMC black Non American woman married to a white man so, no, I don’t think all white people are racist and I don’t dislike white people. 90% of my friends are white. My in-laws are European and cannot fathom the acrid racism that has been exposed in America in the last few years. After living in America for almost 20 years, albeit in a progressive bubble where my race had never been an issue and I hardly ever thought it (and I know that is partly because I am not African American and all the history comes with that and about which I deeply sympathize) the last 4 years have been eye opening. I have had the police/security called on me three times, I’ve had nasty foul racist slurs yelled (thankfully I was in my far because I was so scared) at me with the demand that I go home to where I belong, I’ve been stopped while leaving a store to be asked whether the toy my daughter was playing with (which she’d brought in with her) had been paid for- security guards called etc.
Had I been white, I know the police/security would not have been called - I dress very conservatively with a preppy look with some very clear indications that I am nor poor or out to steal (please don’t focus on this. Said only to show that a white women dressed similarly would not be viewed with suspicion) .
Two examples -once the police were called because I wanted to return a broken scotch tape which was broken when I opened it - I was accused of stealing, of breaking it myself and returning it. Thankfully the police -2 -as backup was clearly needed, were as perplexed as I was.
Another time police were called because I was parked in my parking space at my place of business which I own, part of which I rent out to the neighboring business. A new member of staff of the other business saw me park in my usual parking spot assumed I was parking illegally and just out shopping I suppose. I explained that it was my space and moved on. Next thing I knew, I had a policeman - all of 21 if he was a day- knocking on the door of my place of business insisting that I remove my car. I explained again that it was my legitimate parking spot and that I owned both buildings and was working but he seemed incapable of grasping this and insisted that I move my car while the staff member smirked. I moved it and later took my deeds to the police station to report said officer who was made to apologize. Thankfully, living and working in an affluent part of NW DC I was treated well by the police. I do worry that my teenage son, in a different part of town minding his own business, well I just pray for his safety. It’s a frightening way to live and not something I ever expected to be thinking about at this point in civilization.

Yes, the unwillingness to recognize how women have had to scrape and fight hard for athletic support is pretty awful. Saying that doesn't make you a TERF, sorry.

Further, if a man can simply identify as a women, why do we have men's and women's' sports?! There are barely any trans-men trying to compete in pro sports. Enough is enough, leave us women to our own sports!

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Anonymous wrote:My Archie Bunker FIL went on a rant at thanksgiving about trans women competing in women’s sports.

I told DH that he will not be welcome at Christmas.

Why should a “trans woman “ who is biologically a man be competing in a woman’s sport. Talk about manipulating the odds for yourself.

Trans women are women!!! What are you, some kind of TERF?

DP. I disagree. They are not. They should not be able to compete in women's sports. The end. They are biologically male. I am in favor of all gay rights, and you can be as trans as you want, but I do draw the line at competing at women's sports. This is simply insane. I am not a dog, or a tree, and I ...just no.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a minority who married into a white family. DH has always told me his parents were mildly racist, but they have never directed their racism towards me in any intentionally hurtful way. They would often say things here and there that were more ignorant or fearful of other cultures, like they would just call other cultures or foreign customs or movies or anything "weird". Overall, they knew better to show their racism to my face.

But in the last couple years or so, they have been bringing up more and more racially charged discussions - in my presence. Basically ranting agains the blacks, or other minorities who are acting poorly, or being responsible for being poor and lazy instead of more hard-working. Or some other incident where someone got in trouble for saying something against the minorities. Or ranting against immigrants, the chinese, or mexican. It's like they forgot I'm a minority, or they no longer care, or they feel more justified for their views now.

I feel it's because of the Trump culture. Has anyone else had this happen in their families?

Maybe your in-laws aren’t “racist” as you want to believe but they simply dislike people who are lazy or not hardworking or who are “acting poorly”. That sounds pretty normal to me. It’s actually on you if you think that describes black people. I don’t believe that someone racist would support Obama.

And I’m not sure why you seem so insistent on believing that you’re in some big pot called “minority” and it’s you all against “the others”. Your in-laws accept you and treat you well and don’t put you in a pot with everyone else who isn’t a white American. It sounds like you’re the one trying to make everything about race.

You’re an idiot yes somebody could’ve voted for Barack Obama and still be racist you sound like an uneducated fool.

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Wow that's interesting. My in-laws were always stout republicans, but then switched to Democrats to vote for Obama. It was as if Obama's presidency helped them become more vocally racist, and then Trump helped to open up the floodgates. They're not Trump supporters though.

I feel like voting for Obama made them feel like they were giving blacks a chance and proved they were not racist. They were enchanted with the idea this was a nation which allowed a black person, through their own hard work, character, and drive, become the most powerful person in the country. And then were utterly disappointed with his performance once he was elected. And then felt justified for judging blacks who could not pull themselves out of poverty and addiction. Because if Obama could do it, anyone can do it.

Partly, I think they are grappling with their own racism - which maybe they didn't confront or talk about prior to Trump's presidency.

Wait a minute so are you saying that all blacks black people are poor and ignorant you sound as bad as your in-laws plus nobody is mildly racist what kind of dumbass thinking is tha?
you racist or you’re not racist it’s like being a little bit pregnant you got what you asked for.

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Anonymous wrote:The left has made any form of criticism or comment that opposes Democratic ideology racist so everything but how incredibly wonderful! Is racist.
And the war on white Protestants is unending.

I’m a white Protestant and I don’t feel at all as if there’s a war against me. Can you provide details? Perhaps I should be stocking provisions and ammunition.

There are so many examples. School children through HS learn only about minority accomplishments. The names of all historic places are changed to accommodate the new racist views. Northern European cultures are not studied at all in schools. Reading materials for schools focus solely on blacks immigrants and the Jewish religion. ANY comment other than the wonder of minorities is racist. It’s not about guns PP it’s about attitudes.

My kids learn PLENTY about Europe and white accomplishments in school. My DD did a living history project about Helen Keller this year. She was white and Protestant. My kids all love George Washington, Jefferson etc. B.c of what they learned in school.

Please stop learning about what happens in school from Fox or Limbaugh. They are lying to you.

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Anonymous wrote:My Archie Bunker FIL went on a rant at thanksgiving about trans women competing in women’s sports.

I told DH that he will not be welcome at Christmas.

Why should a “trans woman “ who is biologically a man be competing in a woman’s sport. Talk about manipulating the odds for yourself.

Trans women are women!!! What are you, some kind of TERF?