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Anonymous wrote:Were there kids who scored in the 99th percentile within MCPS (vs 99 percentile nationally). Who didn’t get in the magnets? I don’t remember anyone like that posting when the results come out, but of course that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

Yes absolutely. My kid was at a regional CES and there were only 8 kid admitted across all three CES classes. There were many really high scoring kids who did not get into the Magnet MS.

MCPS changed the MS Magnets around last year. Instead of pulling just the highest scoring kids, they took lower scoring students who scored high relative to others at their lower performing schools. In other words, a kid with an 89%ile score at a lower performing school would get in over a 99%ile kid at a school with lots of 99%ile kids.

That’s being equitable.

There is no such thing as being equitable in performance. You can either produce or you can't, I don't care how young your mom was or the status of your dad or papers. The door out of the lower class will never be wide open, you are just shuffling the mechanisms the middle class use. Get a bunch of not quite the top of their class poor kids at the magnet programs and the upper SES will change the marker for what makes a college resume standout. Semesters studied abroad or private swim teams competitions or the like.

I get the "we need that" mob mentality when people see disparities, but people should ask is that really what is doing it? Causation or correlation. If the magnet was all poor kids who somehow performed similarly today, nobody would care. Look at Banneker in DC.

I was a poor/LMC kid in Florida who got a chance to be in a magnet program: absolutely the single biggest factor in propelling me to Yale and eventually Yale Law. I probably tested 85% to 98% on those gifted tests. But the magnet programs gave us poor immigrant kids access to small classes and great teachers. My parents, new white collar immigrants, had no clue about the program and certainly did not prep me. If I had to compete with 99%'ers who were prepped to get in to a limited amount of magnet slots, I would not be where I am. Not everyone will have the stark experience that I had, but we can certainly extrapolate that they will have a better outcome than if they did not get identified as talented. So, that will be one less person under-employed, giving back to the community with their time, philanthropy, and taxes. Eventually, it is equitable.

Yep. I was same - not Fla, Yale but similar trajectory. I will boost magnet programs for the underrepresented until the day I die.

Question for two PPs.
Are your own children in magnets?

Yes - one was able to get into a competitive magnet and the other is in neighborhood school.

There is something pretty incongruous about folks who are in good station in life now sending children to magnets while they agree that those seats will make much more of an impact for a poor/LMC kid.

My DH and I might have clawed our way to a good station, but my children are AA and have disabilities. They still need to take advantage of opportunities like magnet if they are to have a shot at staying middle class.

How are you not doing the same thing as opportunity hoarding? Being AA with disabilities means that you will have all the shots at all the top programs and universities. And you are not even poor or uneducated. LOLz.

Let me guess. You are basically riding the URM gravy train, since you are educated, married and have recently immigrated from Nigeria. COOL!!!

DP. Don’t be a racist jerk. Sorry if you’re not satisfied with your own kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Were there kids who scored in the 99th percentile within MCPS (vs 99 percentile nationally). Who didn’t get in the magnets? I don’t remember anyone like that posting when the results come out, but of course that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

Yes absolutely. My kid was at a regional CES and there were only 8 kid admitted across all three CES classes. There were many really high scoring kids who did not get into the Magnet MS.

MCPS changed the MS Magnets around last year. Instead of pulling just the highest scoring kids, they took lower scoring students who scored high relative to others at their lower performing schools. In other words, a kid with an 89%ile score at a lower performing school would get in over a 99%ile kid at a school with lots of 99%ile kids.

That’s being equitable.

There is no such thing as being equitable in performance. You can either produce or you can't, I don't care how young your mom was or the status of your dad or papers. The door out of the lower class will never be wide open, you are just shuffling the mechanisms the middle class use. Get a bunch of not quite the top of their class poor kids at the magnet programs and the upper SES will change the marker for what makes a college resume standout. Semesters studied abroad or private swim teams competitions or the like.

I get the "we need that" mob mentality when people see disparities, but people should ask is that really what is doing it? Causation or correlation. If the magnet was all poor kids who somehow performed similarly today, nobody would care. Look at Banneker in DC.

I was a poor/LMC kid in Florida who got a chance to be in a magnet program: absolutely the single biggest factor in propelling me to Yale and eventually Yale Law. I probably tested 85% to 98% on those gifted tests. But the magnet programs gave us poor immigrant kids access to small classes and great teachers. My parents, new white collar immigrants, had no clue about the program and certainly did not prep me. If I had to compete with 99%'ers who were prepped to get in to a limited amount of magnet slots, I would not be where I am. Not everyone will have the stark experience that I had, but we can certainly extrapolate that they will have a better outcome than if they did not get identified as talented. So, that will be one less person under-employed, giving back to the community with their time, philanthropy, and taxes. Eventually, it is equitable.

Yep. I was same - not Fla, Yale but similar trajectory. I will boost magnet programs for the underrepresented until the day I die.

Question for two PPs.
Are your own children in magnets?

Yes - one was able to get into a competitive magnet and the other is in neighborhood school.

There is something pretty incongruous about folks who are in good station in life now sending children to magnets while they agree that those seats will make much more of an impact for a poor/LMC kid.

My DH and I might have clawed our way to a good station, but my children are AA and have disabilities. They still need to take advantage of opportunities like magnet if they are to have a shot at staying middle class.

How are you not doing the same thing as opportunity hoarding? Being AA with disabilities means that you will have all the shots at all the top programs and universities. And you are not even poor or uneducated. LOLz.

Let me guess. You are basically riding the URM gravy train, since you are educated, married and have recently immigrated from Nigeria. COOL!!!

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There is something pretty incongruous about folks who are in good station in life now sending children to magnets while they agree that those seats will make much more of an impact for a poor/LMC kid.

Only if the poor/LMC kid needs the magnet level of rigor. If the education prior to that has been substandard then your poor/LMC kid is not served by being in the magnet. All the URMs/poor and LMC parents crying about inequity of magnet programs should save the outrage about the lack of basic foundational education in MCPS.

A lot of parents are sacrificing their personal time, money and quality of life to teach their kids at home. Now, if the URM or FARMS parents are themselves uneducated then there is even more reason to advocate for good education at the school. That is not happening but the URMs and FARMS parents have no outrage over that. It is not that they are ignorant either or it is a big state secret that standards at MCPS is falling. The utter disinterest in wanting to be engaged in any thing concerning their kids schooling is appalling from these parents. And at some point, personal responsibility of not having children would have been preferable, than having poor parenting skills.

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Anonymous wrote:Were there kids who scored in the 99th percentile within MCPS (vs 99 percentile nationally). Who didn’t get in the magnets? I don’t remember anyone like that posting when the results come out, but of course that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

Yes absolutely. My kid was at a regional CES and there were only 8 kid admitted across all three CES classes. There were many really high scoring kids who did not get into the Magnet MS.

MCPS changed the MS Magnets around last year. Instead of pulling just the highest scoring kids, they took lower scoring students who scored high relative to others at their lower performing schools. In other words, a kid with an 89%ile score at a lower performing school would get in over a 99%ile kid at a school with lots of 99%ile kids.

That’s being equitable.

There is no such thing as being equitable in performance. You can either produce or you can't, I don't care how young your mom was or the status of your dad or papers. The door out of the lower class will never be wide open, you are just shuffling the mechanisms the middle class use. Get a bunch of not quite the top of their class poor kids at the magnet programs and the upper SES will change the marker for what makes a college resume standout. Semesters studied abroad or private swim teams competitions or the like.

I get the "we need that" mob mentality when people see disparities, but people should ask is that really what is doing it? Causation or correlation. If the magnet was all poor kids who somehow performed similarly today, nobody would care. Look at Banneker in DC.

I was a poor/LMC kid in Florida who got a chance to be in a magnet program: absolutely the single biggest factor in propelling me to Yale and eventually Yale Law. I probably tested 85% to 98% on those gifted tests. But the magnet programs gave us poor immigrant kids access to small classes and great teachers. My parents, new white collar immigrants, had no clue about the program and certainly did not prep me. If I had to compete with 99%'ers who were prepped to get in to a limited amount of magnet slots, I would not be where I am. Not everyone will have the stark experience that I had, but we can certainly extrapolate that they will have a better outcome than if they did not get identified as talented. So, that will be one less person under-employed, giving back to the community with their time, philanthropy, and taxes. Eventually, it is equitable.

Yep. I was same - not Fla, Yale but similar trajectory. I will boost magnet programs for the underrepresented until the day I die.

Question for two PPs.
Are your own children in magnets?

Yes - one was able to get into a competitive magnet and the other is in neighborhood school.

There is something pretty incongruous about folks who are in good station in life now sending children to magnets while they agree that those seats will make much more of an impact for a poor/LMC kid.

My DH and I might have clawed our way to a good station, but my children are AA and have disabilities. They still need to take advantage of opportunities like magnet if they are to have a shot at staying middle class.

Anonymous wrote:It only takes one generation to forget where you came from and believe you did it yourself and everyone else can do the same.

I would frame this differently. People who grew up working class know how easy it is to slide back when you are first generation middle class. You have a far less reliable safety net if you suffer job less or illness, AND you have obligations to your family that folks who grew up comfortable do not have.

People, come on. Are you expecting the PPs who grew up poor/LMC to deliberately forgo the magnet opportunities for their kids out of a sense of altruism? If so, please list all the examples where you yourselves sacrificed your children’s benefit for altruistic reasons.

It only takes one generation to forget where you came from and believe you did it yourself and everyone else can do the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Were there kids who scored in the 99th percentile within MCPS (vs 99 percentile nationally). Who didn’t get in the magnets? I don’t remember anyone like that posting when the results come out, but of course that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

Yes absolutely. My kid was at a regional CES and there were only 8 kid admitted across all three CES classes. There were many really high scoring kids who did not get into the Magnet MS.

MCPS changed the MS Magnets around last year. Instead of pulling just the highest scoring kids, they took lower scoring students who scored high relative to others at their lower performing schools. In other words, a kid with an 89%ile score at a lower performing school would get in over a 99%ile kid at a school with lots of 99%ile kids.

That’s being equitable.

There is no such thing as being equitable in performance. You can either produce or you can't, I don't care how young your mom was or the status of your dad or papers. The door out of the lower class will never be wide open, you are just shuffling the mechanisms the middle class use. Get a bunch of not quite the top of their class poor kids at the magnet programs and the upper SES will change the marker for what makes a college resume standout. Semesters studied abroad or private swim teams competitions or the like.

I get the "we need that" mob mentality when people see disparities, but people should ask is that really what is doing it? Causation or correlation. If the magnet was all poor kids who somehow performed similarly today, nobody would care. Look at Banneker in DC.

I was a poor/LMC kid in Florida who got a chance to be in a magnet program: absolutely the single biggest factor in propelling me to Yale and eventually Yale Law. I probably tested 85% to 98% on those gifted tests. But the magnet programs gave us poor immigrant kids access to small classes and great teachers. My parents, new white collar immigrants, had no clue about the program and certainly did not prep me. If I had to compete with 99%'ers who were prepped to get in to a limited amount of magnet slots, I would not be where I am. Not everyone will have the stark experience that I had, but we can certainly extrapolate that they will have a better outcome than if they did not get identified as talented. So, that will be one less person under-employed, giving back to the community with their time, philanthropy, and taxes. Eventually, it is equitable.

Yep. I was same - not Fla, Yale but similar trajectory. I will boost magnet programs for the underrepresented until the day I die.

Question for two PPs.
Are your own children in magnets?

Yes - one was able to get into a competitive magnet and the other is in neighborhood school.

There is something pretty incongruous about folks who are in good station in life now sending children to magnets while they agree that those seats will make much more of an impact for a poor/LMC kid.

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Anonymous wrote:Were there kids who scored in the 99th percentile within MCPS (vs 99 percentile nationally). Who didn’t get in the magnets? I don’t remember anyone like that posting when the results come out, but of course that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

Yes absolutely. My kid was at a regional CES and there were only 8 kid admitted across all three CES classes. There were many really high scoring kids who did not get into the Magnet MS.

MCPS changed the MS Magnets around last year. Instead of pulling just the highest scoring kids, they took lower scoring students who scored high relative to others at their lower performing schools. In other words, a kid with an 89%ile score at a lower performing school would get in over a 99%ile kid at a school with lots of 99%ile kids.

That’s being equitable.

There is no such thing as being equitable in performance. You can either produce or you can't, I don't care how young your mom was or the status of your dad or papers. The door out of the lower class will never be wide open, you are just shuffling the mechanisms the middle class use. Get a bunch of not quite the top of their class poor kids at the magnet programs and the upper SES will change the marker for what makes a college resume standout. Semesters studied abroad or private swim teams competitions or the like.

I get the "we need that" mob mentality when people see disparities, but people should ask is that really what is doing it? Causation or correlation. If the magnet was all poor kids who somehow performed similarly today, nobody would care. Look at Banneker in DC.

I was a poor/LMC kid in Florida who got a chance to be in a magnet program: absolutely the single biggest factor in propelling me to Yale and eventually Yale Law. I probably tested 85% to 98% on those gifted tests. But the magnet programs gave us poor immigrant kids access to small classes and great teachers. My parents, new white collar immigrants, had no clue about the program and certainly did not prep me. If I had to compete with 99%'ers who were prepped to get in to a limited amount of magnet slots, I would not be where I am. Not everyone will have the stark experience that I had, but we can certainly extrapolate that they will have a better outcome than if they did not get identified as talented. So, that will be one less person under-employed, giving back to the community with their time, philanthropy, and taxes. Eventually, it is equitable.

Yep. I was same - not Fla, Yale but similar trajectory. I will boost magnet programs for the underrepresented until the day I die.

Question for two PPs.
Are your own children in magnets?

Yes, first PP. My 5th grader is in a CES W-feeder. And if my 99%`er DC doesn't get in to a magnet due to cohort factors, I'm totally fine with that.
My kid will be fine.

So is your Yale law family now hoarding the opportunities to advance in the manner that worked for you a generation ago?

Can’t be “hoarding” under universal screening.

There sure can be. Otherwise all the school districts that are struggling to make their magnet programs more diverse - see the metis report for examples - would have just implemented universal screening and we all would be singing kumbaya. Heck, even MCPS had to include the peer cohort criterion in addition to universal screening. Universal screening is necessary, but not remotely sufficient.

Anonymous wrote:Do you know at what point the test will bounce a student out of the running?

In other words, my already anxious child has amazing grades in advanced/honors classes and related extracurriculars. I think the “essay” was impressive and recommendations will be glowing. But does any of that matter at all before the committee looks at the test score? Or is it only after the score, that report card grades and other evidence matters? I’m unable to reassure my child that there is a genuine shot left.

I have the opposite issue. Fantastic standardized test scores, but poor grades and weak work ethic. This is why MCPS looks at the whole picture. At first I thought I wanted DS to go to a magnet middle school but I think he’s better off not going. I think it probably the same with your child. If she is that anxious that it affects her scores then maybe she shouldn’t be in the program. It’s a bitter pill to swallow to think that maybe your child wouldn’t fit in but imagine how miserable she’d be in a program that would exacerbate her anxiety. And in the long run, wu ith that kind of work ethic, she’ll be fine.

Anonymous wrote:Do you know at what point the test will bounce a student out of the running?

In other words, my already anxious child has amazing grades in advanced/honors classes and related extracurriculars. I think the “essay” was impressive and recommendations will be glowing. But does any of that matter at all before the committee looks at the test score? Or is it only after the score, that report card grades and other evidence matters? I’m unable to reassure my child that there is a genuine shot left.

Did you mean to post this in the HS magnet thread?