Anonymous
10/23/2019 12:45
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There has been a concerted effort on the progressive left to make people aware that to be colorblind is an effect of privilege, and to educate kids (and adults) to be aware of their own whiteness.
Why then does it come as a shock that this new awareness of whiteness is going to lead some people to place value on their whiteness? This was a foreseeably disastrous outcome.
THis is what we call backlash---and we are not going to coddle people who can't handle that they are no longer the center of the universe
How does this \viewpoint serve the purpose of reducing the ability of the alt-right to convert young men?
That is a good question. I don’t have to have every solution figured out. But I can say that coddling is not the solution and this only serves to perpetuate inequalities that harm women and other marginalized groups
It's not coddling to teach kids that there are good white people who fight discrimination. Is it?
Anonymous
10/23/2019 12:44
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The white fragility on here is really something. We white people have an important duty here to dismantle white supremacy. Our children get countless white role models. Don't be worried about that. It's important to let them see POC as leaders and contributors to this society too, instead of continually casting them as criminals, the help, or athletes.
My white family has been in America for a long time also, since before it was a country. We celebrate the good things about American history and culture and I educate them on the bad things also. We are proud of the good things, we are NOT proud of being white. Being white is NOT being American.
It’s ok to be white.
Sure, but being white itself isn't really something to be "proud" of. I'm proud of my family's history of working hard and building communities (farmers & local community leaders), but I'm not proud that they overlooked the abuses of others. A few ancestors were Quakers though - I'm super proud of them for standing up for others centuries ago.
NP - white family also here for a long time.
Of course, but "it's ok to be white" is the PERFECT alt-right troll and entree into recruitment. Because remember we're talking about children and adolescents, not 40-year old former critical race theory majors. A white boy who constantly hears about "girls rule" and "black pride" and "white privilege" and "white supremacy" absolutely will think "oh yeah, why isn't is ok to be white?"
Anonymous
10/23/2019 12:43
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The white fragility on here is really something. We white people have an important duty here to dismantle white supremacy. Our children get countless white role models. Don't be worried about that. It's important to let them see POC as leaders and contributors to this society too, instead of continually casting them as criminals, the help, or athletes.
My white family has been in America for a long time also, since before it was a country. We celebrate the good things about American history and culture and I educate them on the bad things also. We are proud of the good things, we are NOT proud of being white. Being white is NOT being American.
It’s ok to be white.
Sure, it's okay to have any skin color. Nobody is actually saying otherwise despite your existential angst.
Beyond attacking PP, do you know what this thread is about?
Anonymous
10/23/2019 12:42
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There has been a concerted effort on the progressive left to make people aware that to be colorblind is an effect of privilege, and to educate kids (and adults) to be aware of their own whiteness.
Why then does it come as a shock that this new awareness of whiteness is going to lead some people to place value on their whiteness? This was a foreseeably disastrous outcome.
THis is what we call backlash---and we are not going to coddle people who can't handle that they are no longer the center of the universe
This
Ten year old white boys are not angry that they are no longer the center of the universe, because they never were.
They might be angry for other reasons though.
No, but pre-teen and teen boys are resentful and angry that they aren't growing up in the world of white privilege that their fathers and older brothers had. They want to be in a world that was paved for white males and everyone else had to work twice as hard to get half as much. They see that they have lost a significant amount of the privilege and ease that earlier generations of white males had and they want to go back. And they are willing to be violent and destructive to try to get it back.
that is pretty delusional. I don't think any kids think that way, unless they are expressly taught to do so (by their parents, or by alt-right propaganda).
Anonymous
10/23/2019 12:41
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The white fragility on here is really something. We white people have an important duty here to dismantle white supremacy. Our children get countless white role models. Don't be worried about that. It's important to let them see POC as leaders and contributors to this society too, instead of continually casting them as criminals, the help, or athletes.
My white family has been in America for a long time also, since before it was a country. We celebrate the good things about American history and culture and I educate them on the bad things also. We are proud of the good things, we are NOT proud of being white. Being white is NOT being American.
It’s ok to be white.
Sure, it's okay to have any skin color. Nobody is actually saying otherwise despite your existential angst.
Anonymous
10/23/2019 12:17
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There has been a concerted effort on the progressive left to make people aware that to be colorblind is an effect of privilege, and to educate kids (and adults) to be aware of their own whiteness.
Why then does it come as a shock that this new awareness of whiteness is going to lead some people to place value on their whiteness? This was a foreseeably disastrous outcome.
THis is what we call backlash---and we are not going to coddle people who can't handle that they are no longer the center of the universe
This
Ten year old white boys are not angry that they are no longer the center of the universe, because they never were.
They might be angry for other reasons though.
No, but pre-teen and teen boys are resentful and angry that they aren't growing up in the world of white privilege that their fathers and older brothers had. They want to be in a world that was paved for white males and everyone else had to work twice as hard to get half as much. They see that they have lost a significant amount of the privilege and ease that earlier generations of white males had and they want to go back. And they are willing to be violent and destructive to try to get it back.
I think this is kind of ridiculous. In what ways, specifically, are 12 year old boys seeing that things were “paved for white males” for their dads & not for them?? And isn’t the idea of privilege that you don’t really even notice when you have it unless someone points it out?
White supremacists are an insidious group... but can people really not see that extreme left views are driving their appeal to young people? It’s not because white boys think they are better than everyone else (not initially). It’s in part because of the far left saying it’s bad to be a white male. You should feel guilty for being white. It’s okay to be proud of your race— unless you are white. It’s okay to have opinions on race— unless you are white, then you are told to “stay in your lane.” All of this constant focus on race and labeling people leads to bad things. No one (of any race) is superior to anyone else based on race. Race is a social construct. Yes, teach the history of racism in this county and don’t gloss over the facts. But then emphasize that we are all equal and stop telling people to feel bad about their race— whatever it is.
Anonymous
10/23/2019 10:08
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The white fragility on here is really something. We white people have an important duty here to dismantle white supremacy. Our children get countless white role models. Don't be worried about that. It's important to let them see POC as leaders and contributors to this society too, instead of continually casting them as criminals, the help, or athletes.
My white family has been in America for a long time also, since before it was a country. We celebrate the good things about American history and culture and I educate them on the bad things also. We are proud of the good things, we are NOT proud of being white. Being white is NOT being American.
It’s ok to be white.
Sure, but being white itself isn't really something to be "proud" of. I'm proud of my family's history of working hard and building communities (farmers & local community leaders), but I'm not proud that they overlooked the abuses of others. A few ancestors were Quakers though - I'm super proud of them for standing up for others centuries ago.
NP - white family also here for a long time.
Anonymous
10/23/2019 10:01
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There has been a concerted effort on the progressive left to make people aware that to be colorblind is an effect of privilege, and to educate kids (and adults) to be aware of their own whiteness.
Why then does it come as a shock that this new awareness of whiteness is going to lead some people to place value on their whiteness? This was a foreseeably disastrous outcome.
THis is what we call backlash---and we are not going to coddle people who can't handle that they are no longer the center of the universe
How does this \viewpoint serve the purpose of reducing the ability of the alt-right to convert young men?
That is a good question. I don’t have to have every solution figured out. But I can say that coddling is not the solution and this only serves to perpetuate inequalities that harm women and other marginalized groups
Anonymous
10/23/2019 07:01
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Anonymous wrote:The white fragility on here is really something. We white people have an important duty here to dismantle white supremacy. Our children get countless white role models. Don't be worried about that. It's important to let them see POC as leaders and contributors to this society too, instead of continually casting them as criminals, the help, or athletes.
My white family has been in America for a long time also, since before it was a country. We celebrate the good things about American history and culture and I educate them on the bad things also. We are proud of the good things, we are NOT proud of being white. Being white is NOT being American.
It’s ok to be white.
Anonymous
10/22/2019 23:58
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is my worst fear about my son. And of course that makes my white privilege more obvious because my worst fear doesn’t have to be that he will be killed by a cop in an ordinary traffic stop or a wellness check.
I am doing my dammdest to be actively anti-racist right now, with the books we read and the stories we center and the discussions we have.
But my husband is a racist. Maybe he always was and I chose not to notice the signs. But in the past 6 years, it has gotten overt. He started listening to all these poisoning podcasts...Joe Rohan led to Jordan Peterson and virulent anti-feminism, then down a rabbit hole that has led to full on MAGA shit. In front of our child, he will not use the n-word, as he doesn’t want me to leave him, but he comes close and his white-guy victimhood is matched only by his growing rage against women and brown people.
We live in entirely different universes of information. Entirely different. I would never, ever be friends with him if we were not raising children together. I can’t leave him to 50/50 custody and the virulent racism without me at least having some kind of cap on it. Right now, my children adore me and see me as a hero and a role model. But what if adolescence hits and all of a sudden my son chases after his emotionally remote father’s approval by alighting with his “white pride”? Or since his dad is such a jerk, he seeks approval and identity by aligning with these alt-right monsters?
It’s stunning to me how quickly and virulently all of this racism has bubbled up in just a few years...I guess I was oblivious to it being there all along, but it is terrifying to me how open and contagious it is now.
You can not allow your child to be exposed to this. You may think that you are helping with countering your husband by staying in the marriage. However, the message to your son will be "My dad can't be all that bad because my mom is married to him"
I hear you. I don’t want to implicitly endorse these values. But you say, “You can not allow your child to be exposed to this.” I have no good option. The choice is only how I can mitigate the damage. Right now, living in the home, my DH is not overt about any of it. If I left him, he would see it as an open declaration of war and be free to openly and loudly promote everything that is the opposite of where I stand. And he would have 50% custody. I feel like there is no good option. I hate staying. Hate it. But how can I leave him alone half the time, unfettered and antagonized and hostile? I think if I were you, I could confidently assert that I should leave. But being on the inside of this trap, every step feels so dangerous and fraught.
Anonymous
10/22/2019 23:50
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There has been a concerted effort on the progressive left to make people aware that to be colorblind is an effect of privilege, and to educate kids (and adults) to be aware of their own whiteness.
Why then does it come as a shock that this new awareness of whiteness is going to lead some people to place value on their whiteness? This was a foreseeably disastrous outcome.
THis is what we call backlash---and we are not going to coddle people who can't handle that they are no longer the center of the universe
This
Ten year old white boys are not angry that they are no longer the center of the universe, because they never were.
They might be angry for other reasons though.
No, but pre-teen and teen boys are resentful and angry that they aren't growing up in the world of white privilege that their fathers and older brothers had. They want to be in a world that was paved for white males and everyone else had to work twice as hard to get half as much. They see that they have lost a significant amount of the privilege and ease that earlier generations of white males had and they want to go back. And they are willing to be violent and destructive to try to get it back.
Anonymous
10/22/2019 23:19
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
"It also seems to me, as a mom, that these groups prey upon the natural awkwardness of adolescence. Many kids feel out of place, frustrated and misunderstood, and are vulnerable to the idea that someone else is responsible for their discontent. When they’re white and male, they’re spoon-fed a list of scapegoats: people of color, feminists, immigrants, L.G.B.T.Q. people. If they really embrace this, it’s not hard to convince them that there’s a “white genocide” happening and that these people — and the “leftists” who represent their interests — are to blame."
I think this has been going on forever--anyone see Higher Learning back in the day?
I think this has been going on forever--anyone see Higher Learning back in the day?
Anonymous
10/22/2019 21:11
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There has been a concerted effort on the progressive left to make people aware that to be colorblind is an effect of privilege, and to educate kids (and adults) to be aware of their own whiteness.
Why then does it come as a shock that this new awareness of whiteness is going to lead some people to place value on their whiteness? This was a foreseeably disastrous outcome.
THis is what we call backlash---and we are not going to coddle people who can't handle that they are no longer the center of the universe
This
Ten year old white boys are not angry that they are no longer the center of the universe, because they never were.
They might be angry for other reasons though.
Anonymous
10/22/2019 21:04
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There has been a concerted effort on the progressive left to make people aware that to be colorblind is an effect of privilege, and to educate kids (and adults) to be aware of their own whiteness.
Why then does it come as a shock that this new awareness of whiteness is going to lead some people to place value on their whiteness? This was a foreseeably disastrous outcome.
THis is what we call backlash---and we are not going to coddle people who can't handle that they are no longer the center of the universe
This
Anonymous
10/22/2019 21:04
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There has been a concerted effort on the progressive left to make people aware that to be colorblind is an effect of privilege, and to educate kids (and adults) to be aware of their own whiteness.
Why then does it come as a shock that this new awareness of whiteness is going to lead some people to place value on their whiteness? This was a foreseeably disastrous outcome.
THis is what we call backlash---and we are not going to coddle people who can't handle that they are no longer the center of the universe
How does this \viewpoint serve the purpose of reducing the ability of the alt-right to convert young men?