Anonymous
Post 09/27/2019 10:05     Subject: Sign of Republicans Lawmakers Turning on Trump
“Rep. James Comer (R-KY) tells me he believes the White House’s use of a codeword-protected server for presidential phone records should be investigated by Congress.”
- CNN’s Jim Sciutto

Anonymous
Post 09/27/2019 08:47     Subject: Sign of Republicans Lawmakers Turning on Trump
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They'll vote to convict because every last one of them is sick and tired of having to live this insane life.

While I don't agree with anything the Republicans stand for, I do believe most of them are true patriots. They know Trump is poison, and they're waiting breathlessly for the moment when they can turn on him.

It's going to happen. And the sooner the better -- if he's impeached before Thanksgiving, they have a chance of running someone (NOT Pence) next year.


They could've turned on him whenever they wanted. He's dirty as hell. If they wanted to ruin him they could've. They didn't think they needed to. And then, they never thought he'd win.

Supporting him has always been what their constituents wanted. But that may be changing.


They have been elected, and they are supposed to be leaders. It is a two-way job. One part is to take to Washington what their people need; the other part is to take information they gather in Washington back to their constituents and tell them about it, lead them, give their constituents their opinion on what is to be done about it and to do so persuasively. If a Republican Senator believes Trump should be impeached, it is that Senator's duty to share the information back home persuasively, not let Fox News fill in the void and do their job for them, then shake their heads in wonder that their constituents reached an unbelievable opinion. They elected the person, they trust the person to be their leader, and they are highly likely to follow them. Trust your constituents to trust you. If they don't, then the person wasn't going to survive in the district anyway.
Anonymous
Post 09/27/2019 08:31     Subject: Re:Sign of Republicans Lawmakers Turning on Trump
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Trump is not the problem here - we the voters are. He is who he is and he hasn’t hidden it. He told a reporter that he would accept dirt of on a political rival from a foreign country. So why are we shocked that he does it? He says his base would be with him if he shot a guy on 5th Avenue - so why are we are we surprised when he does the political equivalent and expects his support to hold. He told us he likes the Chinese system of president for life. Why would we not believe that he would not in a clumsy fashion attempt to bring this about here? This is also why I don’t actually think he will get us into a war with Iran or anyone else proactively- he has told us he doesn’t have a neocon bent

But “sophisticated” Trump voters tell us to ignore his words and focus on what his presidency accomplishes. Well, you can’t ignore his word - it is who he is. He is open about it. And until the American voter stands up and says “that is not who I want as president”, he will continue doing these types of things. And the elected republicans will go along with it because they believe that is what their voters want. I would like to think I would be different if the tables were turned and Trump were a democratic president who was enacting health care reform and was an abhorrent human being. But given the polarization of the country, I am not sure how I would respond. How long would I defend the indefensible? I don’t know but I think I am going to find out by watching my republican friends.


Very true. Just imagine if we had a non-impulsive Trump who could actually hide his misdeeds. He would never, ever be brought to justice, unlike this one.



So, thank god for Trump's stupidity. Kind of a scary thought.

I will also add, this is a person who doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut, like when he started to blab about all the high tech security they were using at the border and wanted to tell the public about it, to which a border security agent stated, no, we don't want to share that. What a dummy. He's got no filter. I can see him pressuring Ukraine. As the PP so succinctly put it, he's already stated he'd take dirt on people from foreign powers. You Trumpsters seem to believe everything he says, but now suddenly, you don't believe something that came out of his own mouth. You guys are dummies, too, for ignoring the glaringly obvious warning signs that were there from the start.


I'm the PP immediately above you, and I think Trump's tendency to blab is partly due to his hyperactive ADHD, which makes him very impulsive. ADHD also makes people creative, and it's sometimes a plus (lots of artists have ADHD), and sometimes a minus, when that creativity happens to be outside the law (lots of convicted criminals have ADHD). He is narcissistic in that he has a very fragile ego that needs to be constantly bolstered, to the point of not being able to empathize with others, constantly bringing back the issues to himself, and needing to distort reality to fit his narrative. Mental health disorders often don't come singly.




Anonymous
Post 09/27/2019 08:31     Subject: Sign of Republicans Lawmakers Turning on Trump
If the Democrats are smart, they will draw this out a bit. Get more dirt on Pence and then hold joint impeachment hearings for both the POTUS and VP.

An impeachable offense isn’t actually that high of a barrier. It’s basically ANY violation of law, and there’s a lot of laws one can violate. Pence doesn’t have to be as awful as Trump to still get impeached. He just has to have done something illegal and it’s seeming more and more likely that he has. He’s been Trump’s errand boy.

I’d ensure that anytime the media discusses impeachment, it’s Trump & Pence tied together.
Anonymous
Post 09/27/2019 08:18     Subject: Re:Sign of Republicans Lawmakers Turning on Trump
Anonymous wrote:If the whole impeachment exercise is a charade, the Republican senate should immediately hold a vote to summarily dismiss the charges and refuse to convict.
I say this as someone who did not vote for Trump and would not vote for him. Apparently, the Democrats want to fast track the impeachment decision and hold a vote by the end of October with hearings to be completed by then so that it does not interfere with the primaries that will start in January.

Given that there are less than 15 months to the next election, that is the vehicle to replace Trump.


The impeachment is not about replacing Trump first and foremost. It is about accountability, upholding the Constitution, and ensuring that the Office of the President is not abused and used for personal gain at the expense of our deepest principles, our allies, and at risk to our national security. Waiting for the usual election cycle means allowing these behaviors in the Office of the President (and the offices of those who enabled and covered it up).

That fact that your sole focus is on who is in the office shows that you have lost your understanding of what the office is and why the Constitution is important.
Anonymous
Post 09/27/2019 08:12     Subject: Re:Sign of Republicans Lawmakers Turning on Trump
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Trump is not the problem here - we the voters are. He is who he is and he hasn’t hidden it. He told a reporter that he would accept dirt of on a political rival from a foreign country. So why are we shocked that he does it? He says his base would be with him if he shot a guy on 5th Avenue - so why are we are we surprised when he does the political equivalent and expects his support to hold. He told us he likes the Chinese system of president for life. Why would we not believe that he would not in a clumsy fashion attempt to bring this about here? This is also why I don’t actually think he will get us into a war with Iran or anyone else proactively- he has told us he doesn’t have a neocon bent

But “sophisticated” Trump voters tell us to ignore his words and focus on what his presidency accomplishes. Well, you can’t ignore his word - it is who he is. He is open about it. And until the American voter stands up and says “that is not who I want as president”, he will continue doing these types of things. And the elected republicans will go along with it because they believe that is what their voters want. I would like to think I would be different if the tables were turned and Trump were a democratic president who was enacting health care reform and was an abhorrent human being. But given the polarization of the country, I am not sure how I would respond. How long would I defend the indefensible? I don’t know but I think I am going to find out by watching my republican friends.


Very true. Just imagine if we had a non-impulsive Trump who could actually hide his misdeeds. He would never, ever be brought to justice, unlike this one.



So, thank god for Trump's stupidity. Kind of a scary thought.

I will also add, this is a person who doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut, like when he started to blab about all the high tech security they were using at the border and wanted to tell the public about it, to which a border security agent stated, no, we don't want to share that. What a dummy. He's got no filter. I can see him pressuring Ukraine. As the PP so succinctly put it, he's already stated he'd take dirt on people from foreign powers. You Trumpsters seem to believe everything he says, but now suddenly, you don't believe something that came out of his own mouth. You guys are dummies, too, for ignoring the glaringly obvious warning signs that were there from the start.
Anonymous
Post 09/27/2019 08:07     Subject: Sign of Republicans Lawmakers Turning on Trump
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They'll vote to convict because every last one of them is sick and tired of having to live this insane life.

While I don't agree with anything the Republicans stand for, I do believe most of them are true patriots. They know Trump is poison, and they're waiting breathlessly for the moment when they can turn on him.

It's going to happen. And the sooner the better -- if he's impeached before Thanksgiving, they have a chance of running someone (NOT Pence) next year.


True patriots don't wait breathlessly to fix something.


They needed something strong to go on. The Mueller report was just too ambiguous. You could reasonably come to the conclusion that the president was an unwitting patsy. This new one is different. It shows he’s in it up to his neck.


Which also removes any ambiguity you suggested was in the Mueller report. Pattern of behavior.
Anonymous
Post 09/27/2019 07:55     Subject: Re:Sign of Republicans Lawmakers Turning on Trump
Anonymous wrote:Trump is not the problem here - we the voters are. He is who he is and he hasn’t hidden it. He told a reporter that he would accept dirt of on a political rival from a foreign country. So why are we shocked that he does it? He says his base would be with him if he shot a guy on 5th Avenue - so why are we are we surprised when he does the political equivalent and expects his support to hold. He told us he likes the Chinese system of president for life. Why would we not believe that he would not in a clumsy fashion attempt to bring this about here? This is also why I don’t actually think he will get us into a war with Iran or anyone else proactively- he has told us he doesn’t have a neocon bent

But “sophisticated” Trump voters tell us to ignore his words and focus on what his presidency accomplishes. Well, you can’t ignore his word - it is who he is. He is open about it. And until the American voter stands up and says “that is not who I want as president”, he will continue doing these types of things. And the elected republicans will go along with it because they believe that is what their voters want. I would like to think I would be different if the tables were turned and Trump were a democratic president who was enacting health care reform and was an abhorrent human being. But given the polarization of the country, I am not sure how I would respond. How long would I defend the indefensible? I don’t know but I think I am going to find out by watching my republican friends.


Very true. Just imagine if we had a non-impulsive Trump who could actually hide his misdeeds. He would never, ever be brought to justice, unlike this one.


Anonymous
Post 09/27/2019 07:27     Subject: Re:Sign of Republicans Lawmakers Turning on Trump
Trump is not the problem here - we the voters are. He is who he is and he hasn’t hidden it. He told a reporter that he would accept dirt of on a political rival from a foreign country. So why are we shocked that he does it? He says his base would be with him if he shot a guy on 5th Avenue - so why are we are we surprised when he does the political equivalent and expects his support to hold. He told us he likes the Chinese system of president for life. Why would we not believe that he would not in a clumsy fashion attempt to bring this about here? This is also why I don’t actually think he will get us into a war with Iran or anyone else proactively- he has told us he doesn’t have a neocon bent

But “sophisticated” Trump voters tell us to ignore his words and focus on what his presidency accomplishes. Well, you can’t ignore his word - it is who he is. He is open about it. And until the American voter stands up and says “that is not who I want as president”, he will continue doing these types of things. And the elected republicans will go along with it because they believe that is what their voters want. I would like to think I would be different if the tables were turned and Trump were a democratic president who was enacting health care reform and was an abhorrent human being. But given the polarization of the country, I am not sure how I would respond. How long would I defend the indefensible? I don’t know but I think I am going to find out by watching my republican friends.
Anonymous
Post 09/27/2019 07:25     Subject: Sign of Republicans Lawmakers Turning on Trump
Anonymous wrote:They will not turn on him until more than 50% of the voters in their states/districts favor impeachment. Because of decades of gerrymandering, it is the true believers in the primaries who control the choice of candidate---not the general electorate. Trump's base are those true believers and they receive their news predominantly from Fox and are almost cult-like about Trump.


Yes, but Fox News/Murdoch is said to be turning on Trump. I hope it's true.

Anonymous
Post 09/27/2019 07:21     Subject: Sign of Republicans Lawmakers Turning on Trump
They will not turn on him until more than 50% of the voters in their states/districts favor impeachment. Because of decades of gerrymandering, it is the true believers in the primaries who control the choice of candidate---not the general electorate. Trump's base are those true believers and they receive their news predominantly from Fox and are almost cult-like about Trump.
Anonymous
Post 09/27/2019 07:16     Subject: Re:Sign of Republicans Lawmakers Turning on Trump
If I were a Trump loyalist in the administration I would be watching my back because I am sure Mitch McConnell is already trying to figure out how to install Mike Pence in the Oval Office and Pence loyalists must be measuring the drapes
Anonymous
Post 09/27/2019 06:48     Subject: Sign of Republicans Lawmakers Turning on Trump
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They'll vote to convict because every last one of them is sick and tired of having to live this insane life.

While I don't agree with anything the Republicans stand for, I do believe most of them are true patriots. They know Trump is poison, and they're waiting breathlessly for the moment when they can turn on him.

It's going to happen. And the sooner the better -- if he's impeached before Thanksgiving, they have a chance of running someone (NOT Pence) next year.


True patriots don't wait breathlessly to fix something.


They needed something strong to go on. The Mueller report was just too ambiguous. You could reasonably come to the conclusion that the president was an unwitting patsy. This new one is different. It shows he’s in it up to his neck.

The Mueller Report showed nothing of the sort. If it was ambiguous, it’s because the investigation was terminated by Barr before it was done and it gave cowardly GOP the ability to pretend nothing was wrong when they very much knew it was.
Anonymous
Post 09/27/2019 06:46     Subject: Sign of Republicans Lawmakers Turning on Trump
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Fox News: Jeff Flake says 'at least 35' Republican senators would privately vote to impeach Trump
https://www.foxnews.com/media/jeff-flake-35-gop-senators-impeach-trump.amp?__twitter_impression=true


But they won't, so they will circle the wagon and then the whole wagon will sink.

Profiles in courage indeed.


I said this already today but they care about their own asses. Not country of course. And not even party. They care about reelection and that is all.

Impeachment is going to continue to get more popular. At some point 17 spineless GOP Senators will feel that their state may be enough for impeachment that they'll vote to convict.

It’s more than that. How many of them are in on the corruption? How many went to Russia for the Fourth? How many have taken Russian money (all of them, via NRA, but did others have more direct funding?)? How many are being blackmailed (look at Lindsey Graham’s abrupt about faces and tell me he’s not being blackmailed).
Anonymous
Post 09/27/2019 06:33     Subject: Sign of Republicans Lawmakers Turning on Trump
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They'll vote to convict because every last one of them is sick and tired of having to live this insane life.

While I don't agree with anything the Republicans stand for, I do believe most of them are true patriots. They know Trump is poison, and they're waiting breathlessly for the moment when they can turn on him.

It's going to happen. And the sooner the better -- if he's impeached before Thanksgiving, they have a chance of running someone (NOT Pence) next year.


True patriots don't wait breathlessly to fix something.


They needed something strong to go on. The Mueller report was just too ambiguous. You could reasonably come to the conclusion that the president was an unwitting patsy. This new one is different. It shows he’s in it up to his neck.