Anonymous
08/19/2019 05:35
Subject: Re:Examples of classism?
Teacher colleague of mine wrote a multiple choice test. For a question about "What would happen if you forgot to do [necessary action]," he included a response that amounted to "You end up marrying your cousin and living in a trailer park."
Even after being confronted, he still sees no problem with this.
Even after being confronted, he still sees no problem with this.
Anonymous
08/18/2019 20:57
Subject: Examples of classism?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I see it here on DCUM all the time...casually assuming everyone lives like you do. Example on the laundry thread... "It's so easy! Just throw it in the washer!"... never thinking that some people don't have a washer/dryer in their home. Little things like that...
Yep. Or how "it's so inexpensive to travel around Europe." No, it's not.
Ok, two very different examples. The first is not classism.
Tell us why not.
Most Americans have washers.
What about “google it” ?? Is that classist? More Americans have a washing machine than a device w/ an internet connection.
I just googled it; 98% of households have washing machines. I agree; it's not classist to assume someone is in the top 98%.
Lots of people, including myself, in that bottom 2%!
You're assuming they are the BOTTOM 2%. I wouldn't make that assumption. Plenty of rich people in condos that have their laundry taken and done off site by a service. Celebrities have basically moved into the Chateau Marmont. For all we know, you live in the Waldof Astoria.
Pp again- also, this is an asinine discussion.
Anonymous
08/18/2019 20:57
Subject: Examples of classism?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I see it here on DCUM all the time...casually assuming everyone lives like you do. Example on the laundry thread... "It's so easy! Just throw it in the washer!"... never thinking that some people don't have a washer/dryer in their home. Little things like that...
Yep. Or how "it's so inexpensive to travel around Europe." No, it's not.
Ok, two very different examples. The first is not classism.
Tell us why not.
Most Americans have washers.
What about “google it” ?? Is that classist? More Americans have a washing machine than a device w/ an internet connection.
I just googled it; 98% of households have washing machines. I agree; it's not classist to assume someone is in the top 98%.
Lots of people, including myself, in that bottom 2%!
You're assuming they are the BOTTOM 2%. I wouldn't make that assumption. Plenty of rich people in condos that have their laundry taken and done off site by a service. Celebrities have basically moved into the Chateau Marmont. For all we know, you live in the Waldof Astoria.
Anonymous
08/18/2019 13:51
Subject: Examples of classism?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Assuming the wealthy are boring, can’t dress, and don’t know how to have fun.
Assuming education is stupid.
Assuming real skills are about knowing how to change oil, rotate tires, and install wood flooring.
Assuming wealthy people are all white, depressed, and unhappy.
Yes! I grew up in a town with these people and it sucked.
There is no "ism" or "ist" going in that direction. Classism or being classist is an attitude against people you see beneath you, or less then. In this example, when speaking of class, we're speaking about the "upper class." One cannot be "classist" against the upper class. Classism is designed to keep the power of the upper class, classism denigrates the lower class. You may have ill-will or not like the upper class, but you cannot be "classist" against the upper class. Because as a lower class, you lack any power against them.
The best example I heard recently in discussing racism, for example, is that you can have prejudice against any race. You may "dislike" a race. But for racism to exist it's Prejudice/Bias + Social Power + Legal Authority.
So you may think wealthy people are boring/depressed/can't dress/have fun. That's a bias or prejudice. The attitude remains internal, with no action going anywhere because you lack any ability for it to do so. You lack the social power or any legal authority to do it. So it's a prejudice, but it sure as hell isn't classist.
Classism can be both ways? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_discrimination
OK, so aside from "making fun of" someone who's wealthy, what effect does "classism" by the lower class have on the upper class?
Hmmm... let's see... well, the lower class elected a Fascist president.
So there's that.
Well, you might also elect people your u don’t necessarily agree with, when they have promised all kinds of reasons and solutions.
And let’s be honest, “class” is also a subtext for “race” and a million other things.
Anonymous
08/18/2019 13:38
Subject: Examples of classism?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any -ism is defined by power. there is a difference between sexism and misogyny. There's a difference between racism and bigotry. There is a difference between classism and prejudice.
these are not distinctions without differences. They are hardcore sociological concepts that help us examine the way we interact with human beings. I wouldn't dismiss those differences out of hand
+1. The mental gymnastics that some are using to conclude otherwise is very telling.
NP. Disagree. Racism goes two ways, as does classism.
The narrow definition that only the powerful group can be -ist towards the other is leaving out all of the areas where power dynamics are different. That definition also leaves out real experiences that people encounter - which leads to cynicism/disbelief.
Mental gymnastics Exhibit A right here.
Anonymous
08/18/2019 13:23
Subject: Examples of classism?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any -ism is defined by power. there is a difference between sexism and misogyny. There's a difference between racism and bigotry. There is a difference between classism and prejudice.
these are not distinctions without differences. They are hardcore sociological concepts that help us examine the way we interact with human beings. I wouldn't dismiss those differences out of hand
+1. The mental gymnastics that some are using to conclude otherwise is very telling.
NP. Disagree. Racism goes two ways, as does classism.
The narrow definition that only the powerful group can be -ist towards the other is leaving out all of the areas where power dynamics are different. That definition also leaves out real experiences that people encounter - which leads to cynicism/disbelief.
Anonymous
08/18/2019 13:16
Subject: Examples of classism?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Assuming the wealthy are boring, can’t dress, and don’t know how to have fun.
Assuming education is stupid.
Assuming real skills are about knowing how to change oil, rotate tires, and install wood flooring.
Assuming wealthy people are all white, depressed, and unhappy.
Yes! I grew up in a town with these people and it sucked.
There is no "ism" or "ist" going in that direction. Classism or being classist is an attitude against people you see beneath you, or less then. In this example, when speaking of class, we're speaking about the "upper class." One cannot be "classist" against the upper class. Classism is designed to keep the power of the upper class, classism denigrates the lower class. You may have ill-will or not like the upper class, but you cannot be "classist" against the upper class. Because as a lower class, you lack any power against them.
The best example I heard recently in discussing racism, for example, is that you can have prejudice against any race. You may "dislike" a race. But for racism to exist it's Prejudice/Bias + Social Power + Legal Authority.
So you may think wealthy people are boring/depressed/can't dress/have fun. That's a bias or prejudice. The attitude remains internal, with no action going anywhere because you lack any ability for it to do so. You lack the social power or any legal authority to do it. So it's a prejudice, but it sure as hell isn't classist.
Classism can be both ways? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_discrimination
OK, so aside from "making fun of" someone who's wealthy, what effect does "classism" by the lower class have on the upper class?
Hmmm... let's see... well, the lower class elected a Fascist president.
So there's that.
And you think the upper class is suffering from that???
Anonymous
08/18/2019 12:53
Subject: Examples of classism?
Anonymous wrote:Any -ism is defined by power. there is a difference between sexism and misogyny. There's a difference between racism and bigotry. There is a difference between classism and prejudice.
these are not distinctions without differences. They are hardcore sociological concepts that help us examine the way we interact with human beings. I wouldn't dismiss those differences out of hand
+1. The mental gymnastics that some are using to conclude otherwise is very telling.
Anonymous
08/18/2019 12:11
Subject: Examples of classism?
Look no further than the preschool/ daycare thread in Infants.
Or all the posts about “flyover”
Pretty much any thread with the word “tacky” in it.,
What makes me laugh is that the people who think thy have the most advantage of social class, have the least amount of actual class. They’re so busy trying to separate themselves from being real people, that they forget they are still, in fact, real people.
Or all the posts about “flyover”
Pretty much any thread with the word “tacky” in it.,
What makes me laugh is that the people who think thy have the most advantage of social class, have the least amount of actual class. They’re so busy trying to separate themselves from being real people, that they forget they are still, in fact, real people.
Anonymous
08/18/2019 12:10
Subject: Examples of classism?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Assuming the wealthy are boring, can’t dress, and don’t know how to have fun.
Assuming education is stupid.
Assuming real skills are about knowing how to change oil, rotate tires, and install wood flooring.
Assuming wealthy people are all white, depressed, and unhappy.
Yes! I grew up in a town with these people and it sucked.
There is no "ism" or "ist" going in that direction. Classism or being classist is an attitude against people you see beneath you, or less then. In this example, when speaking of class, we're speaking about the "upper class." One cannot be "classist" against the upper class. Classism is designed to keep the power of the upper class, classism denigrates the lower class. You may have ill-will or not like the upper class, but you cannot be "classist" against the upper class. Because as a lower class, you lack any power against them.
The best example I heard recently in discussing racism, for example, is that you can have prejudice against any race. You may "dislike" a race. But for racism to exist it's Prejudice/Bias + Social Power + Legal Authority.
So you may think wealthy people are boring/depressed/can't dress/have fun. That's a bias or prejudice. The attitude remains internal, with no action going anywhere because you lack any ability for it to do so. You lack the social power or any legal authority to do it. So it's a prejudice, but it sure as hell isn't classist.
Classism can be both ways? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_discrimination
OK, so aside from "making fun of" someone who's wealthy, what effect does "classism" by the lower class have on the upper class?
Hmmm... let's see... well, the lower class elected a Fascist president.
So there's that.
Anonymous
08/18/2019 11:39
Subject: Examples of classism?
Well classicism to be would be comments that give away your class. So if you’re poor, it would be waiting to get my paycheck to buy X or doing layaway.
Middle class, saving for bobby’s Soccer classes
Upper middle-getting first class tickets as a treat.
Upper class-worrying about trusts and family name. Or if new upper class (debatable of you can join)-gifting a Porsche.
Middle class, saving for bobby’s Soccer classes
Upper middle-getting first class tickets as a treat.
Upper class-worrying about trusts and family name. Or if new upper class (debatable of you can join)-gifting a Porsche.
Anonymous
08/18/2019 11:28
Subject: Examples of classism?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I see it here on DCUM all the time...casually assuming everyone lives like you do. Example on the laundry thread... "It's so easy! Just throw it in the washer!"... never thinking that some people don't have a washer/dryer in their home. Little things like that...
Yep. Or how "it's so inexpensive to travel around Europe." No, it's not.
Ok, two very different examples. The first is not classism.
Tell us why not.
Different poster, but I live in the Midwest and the vast majority of people have a washer or if they live in an apartment complex, have a communal one.
Typical midwestern answer.
Making fun of the Midwest is pretty classist!
Anonymous
08/18/2019 11:22
Subject: Examples of classism?
Any -ism is defined by power. there is a difference between sexism and misogyny. There's a difference between racism and bigotry. There is a difference between classism and prejudice.
these are not distinctions without differences. They are hardcore sociological concepts that help us examine the way we interact with human beings. I wouldn't dismiss those differences out of hand
these are not distinctions without differences. They are hardcore sociological concepts that help us examine the way we interact with human beings. I wouldn't dismiss those differences out of hand
Anonymous
08/18/2019 11:19
Subject: Examples of classism?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Assuming the wealthy are boring, can’t dress, and don’t know how to have fun.
Assuming education is stupid.
Assuming real skills are about knowing how to change oil, rotate tires, and install wood flooring.
Assuming wealthy people are all white, depressed, and unhappy.
Yes! I grew up in a town with these people and it sucked.
There is no "ism" or "ist" going in that direction. Classism or being classist is an attitude against people you see beneath you, or less then. In this example, when speaking of class, we're speaking about the "upper class." One cannot be "classist" against the upper class. Classism is designed to keep the power of the upper class, classism denigrates the lower class. You may have ill-will or not like the upper class, but you cannot be "classist" against the upper class. Because as a lower class, you lack any power against them.
The best example I heard recently in discussing racism, for example, is that you can have prejudice against any race. You may "dislike" a race. But for racism to exist it's Prejudice/Bias + Social Power + Legal Authority.
So you may think wealthy people are boring/depressed/can't dress/have fun. That's a bias or prejudice. The attitude remains internal, with no action going anywhere because you lack any ability for it to do so. You lack the social power or any legal authority to do it. So it's a prejudice, but it sure as hell isn't
classist.
That is a narrow view of racism!
That's the definition used by a nationally-renowned lecturer on racism, but OK.
Anonymous
08/18/2019 11:18
Subject: Examples of classism?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Assuming the wealthy are boring, can’t dress, and don’t know how to have fun.
Assuming education is stupid.
Assuming real skills are about knowing how to change oil, rotate tires, and install wood flooring.
Assuming wealthy people are all white, depressed, and unhappy.
Yes! I grew up in a town with these people and it sucked.
There is no "ism" or "ist" going in that direction. Classism or being classist is an attitude against people you see beneath you, or less then. In this example, when speaking of class, we're speaking about the "upper class." One cannot be "classist" against the upper class. Classism is designed to keep the power of the upper class, classism denigrates the lower class. You may have ill-will or not like the upper class, but you cannot be "classist" against the upper class. Because as a lower class, you lack any power against them.
The best example I heard recently in discussing racism, for example, is that you can have prejudice against any race. You may "dislike" a race. But for racism to exist it's Prejudice/Bias + Social Power + Legal Authority.
So you may think wealthy people are boring/depressed/can't dress/have fun. That's a bias or prejudice. The attitude remains internal, with no action going anywhere because you lack any ability for it to do so. You lack the social power or any legal authority to do it. So it's a prejudice, but it sure as hell isn't classist.
Classism can be both ways? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_discrimination
https://classism.org/about-class/