Anonymous
Post 06/18/2019 23:20     Subject: Anyone have the list of colleges TJ's class of 2019 is headed to?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s up.

https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2019_for_web

Self report by students. 425 grads. 421 headed directly to college. 340 reported to the TJ today survey.

UVA and VT are very, very low (WM is about what you would expect. My educated guess is that the majority of the non-reports are VT/UVA.

Have at it!


Not sure why non-reports would be specifically VT/UVA, but I agree they are likely low. The trend for several years has been that a higher percentage of TJ students are going to non-state schools.


UVA and VT were both about 70 each last year. Parent board says it’s an under report.


It is interesting that with the huge over-enrollment this year at VT and the typical buzz on this board about UVA, numbers at these two schools appear to be way down. The TJ kids seem to go their own way.



Disagree. UVA has gotten so difficult to get into . . . even for TJ kids.


197 were accepted last year. I'd bet the number is similar this year. Self-reported 36 are going to UVA this year. (About 25% didn't report.) So I think the most likely story is the yield went down. Same for VT. A higher percentage of TJ kids seem to be going OOS.



Incorrect at least across the entire incoming class at VT. It's oversubscribed by 1800 students. If I had a TJ student in that entering class I would be looking for alternatives or taking the $1000 per year + tuition offer that VT is giving (see other threads on this) because yield was so high.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2019 22:34     Subject: Anyone have the list of colleges TJ's class of 2019 is headed to?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s up.

https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2019_for_web

Self report by students. 425 grads. 421 headed directly to college. 340 reported to the TJ today survey.

UVA and VT are very, very low (WM is about what you would expect. My educated guess is that the majority of the non-reports are VT/UVA.

Have at it!


Not sure why non-reports would be specifically VT/UVA, but I agree they are likely low. The trend for several years has been that a higher percentage of TJ students are going to non-state schools.


UVA and VT were both about 70 each last year. Parent board says it’s an under report.


It is interesting that with the huge over-enrollment this year at VT and the typical buzz on this board about UVA, numbers at these two schools appear to be way down. The TJ kids seem to go their own way.



Disagree. UVA has gotten so difficult to get into . . . even for TJ kids.


197 were accepted last year. I'd bet the number is similar this year. Self-reported 36 are going to UVA this year. (About 25% didn't report.) So I think the most likely story is the yield went down. Same for VT. A higher percentage of TJ kids seem to be going OOS.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2019 18:38     Subject: Anyone have the list of colleges TJ's class of 2019 is headed to?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s up.

https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2019_for_web

Self report by students. 425 grads. 421 headed directly to college. 340 reported to the TJ today survey.

UVA and VT are very, very low (WM is about what you would expect. My educated guess is that the majority of the non-reports are VT/UVA.

Have at it!


Not sure why non-reports would be specifically VT/UVA, but I agree they are likely low. The trend for several years has been that a higher percentage of TJ students are going to non-state schools.


UVA and VT were both about 70 each last year. Parent board says it’s an under report.


It is interesting that with the huge over-enrollment this year at VT and the typical buzz on this board about UVA, numbers at these two schools appear to be way down. The TJ kids seem to go their own way.



Disagree. UVA has gotten so difficult to get into . . . even for TJ kids.

I'm sure the applied/accepted numbers will eventually be published.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2019 18:05     Subject: Anyone have the list of colleges TJ's class of 2019 is headed to?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s up.

https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2019_for_web

Self report by students. 425 grads. 421 headed directly to college. 340 reported to the TJ today survey.

UVA and VT are very, very low (WM is about what you would expect. My educated guess is that the majority of the non-reports are VT/UVA.

Have at it!


Not sure why non-reports would be specifically VT/UVA, but I agree they are likely low. The trend for several years has been that a higher percentage of TJ students are going to non-state schools.


UVA and VT were both about 70 each last year. Parent board says it’s an under report.


It is interesting that with the huge over-enrollment this year at VT and the typical buzz on this board about UVA, numbers at these two schools appear to be way down. The TJ kids seem to go their own way.



Disagree. UVA has gotten so difficult to get into . . . even for TJ kids.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2019 17:00     Subject: Anyone have the list of colleges TJ's class of 2019 is headed to?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:First, congrats and good luck to your daughter!

Curious from the tone of your post and just guessing - Did your daughter apply to TJ and not get in and you now want to find out if she got into a better school than her classmates who did get in to TJ? Or did your daughter not apply to TJ because your family believes that TJ kids are disadvantaged in college applications as they must compete with their classmates and you want to validate that decision?

I ask because I agree with all the prior posters that there is no way a teenager can't use social media or the high school grapevines to find out where her former friends are headed - just feels odd to post here.


Thank you, and thanks to the parents who actually answered my question, which I seriously regret asking since it didn't matter that much and evidently made some people go craaazyyy… (and no, a 2018 list wouldn't answer my question, but that's okay because we're moving on, given the insanity).

DD did apply to TJ but didn't get in. She was sad mostly because a few of her good friends were going and she doesn't like rejection anymore than the next gal, but in all honesty I'm not sure whether that would have been a good fit for her since she's good at science but not passionate about it, and ended up taking and enjoying a lot of classes that the TJ curriculum probably wouldn't have left time for. So it turned out fine for her in the end.
She sort of kept in touch with a couple of the friends who ended up at TJ through F and S years but by junior year it seems like text messages went unanswered.
Anyway, somehow one of the former friends came up in conversation this weekend and I said "maybe you'll see her again at UVA, since a huge number of TJ kids end up at UVA" and she replied that the odds of them running into each other at a huge school was pretty small even if they did end up there. And then I thought about posting here. That's about it. You'd think if I were keeping score, I would have asked this question back in April.

I don't know who DD knows who could track down the former friends, but even if she can track them down through common friends, don't you think it would be a little weird after two years of silence to suddenly ask "Tell me if so and so is going to UVA?" I don't think DD is that motivated to find out, and for all we know, so and so is going to Harvard.

I'm sure some people will read a nefarious motive in something I just wrote so I'll sign off, but as a reminder to the people going nuts that the college pedigree isn't determinative: we know a young family where the dad went to a state school that's regularly mocked on DCUM, and he makes a nice seven figure salary.






I sympathize with you OP. I didn't see anything weird about your question AT ALL. I assumed your motives and reasoning to be exactly what you just posted. I have no idea why all these people went off the rails with indignation and disdain. DCUM is so whacked sometimes. All these people who got their undies all in a bundle about a SIMPLE question need to seriously take a Xanax.


College is in no way the biggest determiner of a kid's future. A magnet high school isn't either. If you are just interested in earnings, studies have shown choice of major is more significant. Other studies have shown that kids accepted to Ivy league schools but choose to go somewhere else do essentially the same from an income standpoint. Happiness is going to related to many other things.


OP didn't say anything was determinative of a kid's future. She was just trying to see if anyone had the list so her DD could see which friends were going to the same school, without the DD needing to ask questions that may or may not be awkward. She got the answer. No need to read random things into her question.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2019 15:38     Subject: Re:Anyone have the list of colleges TJ's class of 2019 is headed to?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A pretty impressive list this year (even to hardcore anti-TJ'ers). I believe these are matriculants, not admittees. Here is a partial list:

Berkley 8
Chicago 8
Columbia 2
Cornell 13
Duke 4
Harvard 5
MIT 7
Michigan 14
Penn 3
Princeton 4
Stanford 3
Washington University (St. Louis) 4
Williams 2
Yale 5


Still unimpressed the number one question remains if these kids would have remained at their base schools what would happened

I would argue for most at TJ they would have gotten better results from base schools

Even with this top 25% or so list


Tufts
CMU (Engineering/CS)
Grinnell
UICU
GA Tech

And as a TJ parent, I know my kids long term results would not have been as good out of a base school. TJ sends kids to College— be it Harvard or UVA who are over prepared and find college easy after TJ. On some campuses, including UVA, TJ kids have the #1 GPA out of all US school with at least 10 kids on campus. Even if my kid could have gotten into the exact same college out of a base school, my kid will do better in college than they would out of a base school. That counts for a lot for kids who will likely continue past undergrad.


All you have experience is TJ. Again my argument is your kid would have had a similar experience in a top section at their base schools

P.S. in the real world no one cares about GPA


Actually, TJ isn’t my only experience. I also have a kid at a “top” Western County FCPS base high school. That kid is also getting a great education, taking all honors/AP classes, and will likely do well in college. But the rigor is nowhere near what it is at TJ. Especially in STEM, but also in English. My base school kid is getting better History, since WH is 2 years at base, one at TJ. Base school kid will get more AP credits and a higher GPA for less work.

The base school standards are lower and the workload is lighter. But, my base school kid will be prepared for college— but not overprepared, like my TJ kid. My TJ kid is likely to have a very easy time, especially the first couple years. My base school kid will have to make an upward adjustment, just like they did starting Ms and starting HS. I obviously can’t see the future, but I suspect my TJ kid will have a higher college GPA.

You are right, GPA matters little in real life. But it does matter for grad school admissions.

So yes, I am one of the relatively small number of parents in FCPS who can compare.



I'm another one who has kids in two HS (TJ and base) so have a pretty good sense of what's required. I completely agree with the above observation regarding the differences. I also know, for MY TJ kid, there is no way the college outcome would have been the same. It is much better IMO than it ever could have been at base for my TJ kid. That said, base HS is exactly where my other kid belongs and is way more successful there than they ever would have been at TJ. TJ isn't the end all - be all for every kid, but for some kids it's exactly right. TLR - Know your kid.


I just want to say kudos to these 2 posters. Sounds like you are great parents and have great kids.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2019 15:10     Subject: Anyone have the list of colleges TJ's class of 2019 is headed to?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s up.

https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/tjtoday_senior_issue_2019_for_web

Self report by students. 425 grads. 421 headed directly to college. 340 reported to the TJ today survey.

UVA and VT are very, very low (WM is about what you would expect. My educated guess is that the majority of the non-reports are VT/UVA.

Have at it!


Not sure why non-reports would be specifically VT/UVA, but I agree they are likely low. The trend for several years has been that a higher percentage of TJ students are going to non-state schools.


UVA and VT were both about 70 each last year. Parent board says it’s an under report.


It is interesting that with the huge over-enrollment this year at VT and the typical buzz on this board about UVA, numbers at these two schools appear to be way down. The TJ kids seem to go their own way.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2019 10:55     Subject: Re:Anyone have the list of colleges TJ's class of 2019 is headed to?
Anonymous wrote:A pretty impressive list this year (even to hardcore anti-TJ'ers). I believe these are matriculants, not admittees. Here is a partial list:

Berkley 8
Chicago 8
Columbia 2
Cornell 13
Duke 4
Harvard 5
MIT 7
Michigan 14
Penn 3
Princeton 4
Stanford 3
Washington University (St. Louis) 4
Williams 2
Yale 5


Still unimpressed the number one question remains if these kids would have remained at their base schools what would happened

I would argue for most at TJ they would have gotten better results from base schools

Even with this top 25% or so list


Tufts
CMU (Engineering/CS)
Grinnell
UICU
GA Tech

And as a TJ parent, I know my kids long term results would not have been as good out of a base school. TJ sends kids to College— be it Harvard or UVA who are over prepared and find college easy after TJ. On some campuses, including UVA, TJ kids have the #1 GPA out of all US school with at least 10 kids on campus. Even if my kid could have gotten into the exact same college out of a base school, my kid will do better in college than they would out of a base school. That counts for a lot for kids who will likely continue past undergrad.


All you have experience is TJ. Again my argument is your kid would have had a similar experience in a top section at their base schools

P.S. in the real world no one cares about GPA


Actually, TJ isn’t my only experience. I also have a kid at a “top” Western County FCPS base high school. That kid is also getting a great education, taking all honors/AP classes, and will likely do well in college. But the rigor is nowhere near what it is at TJ. Especially in STEM, but also in English. My base school kid is getting better History, since WH is 2 years at base, one at TJ. Base school kid will get more AP credits and a higher GPA for less work.

The base school standards are lower and the workload is lighter. But, my base school kid will be prepared for college— but not overprepared, like my TJ kid. My TJ kid is likely to have a very easy time, especially the first couple years. My base school kid will have to make an upward adjustment, just like they did starting Ms and starting HS. I obviously can’t see the future, but I suspect my TJ kid will have a higher college GPA.

You are right, GPA matters little in real life. But it does matter for grad school admissions.

So yes, I am one of the relatively small number of parents in FCPS who can compare.



I'm another one who has kids in two HS (TJ and base) so have a pretty good sense of what's required. I completely agree with the above observation regarding the differences. I also know, for MY TJ kid, there is no way the college outcome would have been the same. It is much better IMO than it ever could have been at base for my TJ kid. That said, base HS is exactly where my other kid belongs and is way more successful there than they ever would have been at TJ. TJ isn't the end all - be all for every kid, but for some kids it's exactly right. TLR - Know your kid.
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2019 21:25     Subject: Anyone have the list of colleges TJ's class of 2019 is headed to?
Parent of a 2019 TJ grad here. My kid isn’t listed. Said they just didn’t bother..
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2019 19:26     Subject: Anyone have the list of colleges TJ's class of 2019 is headed to?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m a parent of a TJ junior and I think I’ll advise her not to reply— no way her school choice needs to be published to the world and commented upon by random strangers who think her worth is judged by the college she will attend.


That's you and your child's prerogative of course but consider this:

a) I can probably pull up the same info using a linkedin search

b) nobody here's really been commenting on any specific individual's choice of college. I think the opposite has happened - people are celebrating the success of these kids.

c) the list might help successive TJ classes find someone they know so they can ask a question on a specific college. Only TJ alums can uniquely answer "fit" from a TJ point of view. If future generations of TJ are successful, your kid benefits from the increased value of the alumni network.

Just thoughts to ponder


1. But you have to at least know the individual kid. And they have to be on linked it

2. This discussion happens every year, and it usually includes several posters like the “unimpressed poster”

3. Of course the alums are hooked in. Through guidance, which matches applicants with current students. Through the Tj Partnership fund, which has all this info. And through the (closed) TJ FB alum group. Which most upperclassmen below to, and which enables them to interact with alums.
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2019 19:06     Subject: Anyone have the list of colleges TJ's class of 2019 is headed to?
Anonymous wrote:I’m a parent of a TJ junior and I think I’ll advise her not to reply— no way her school choice needs to be published to the world and commented upon by random strangers who think her worth is judged by the college she will attend.


That's you and your child's prerogative of course but consider this:

a) I can probably pull up the same info using a linkedin search

b) nobody here's really been commenting on any specific individual's choice of college. I think the opposite has happened - people are celebrating the success of these kids.

c) the list might help successive TJ classes find someone they know so they can ask a question on a specific college. Only TJ alums can uniquely answer "fit" from a TJ point of view. If future generations of TJ are successful, your kid benefits from the increased value of the alumni network.

Just thoughts to ponder
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2019 16:19     Subject: Anyone have the list of colleges TJ's class of 2019 is headed to?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:First, congrats and good luck to your daughter!

Curious from the tone of your post and just guessing - Did your daughter apply to TJ and not get in and you now want to find out if she got into a better school than her classmates who did get in to TJ? Or did your daughter not apply to TJ because your family believes that TJ kids are disadvantaged in college applications as they must compete with their classmates and you want to validate that decision?

I ask because I agree with all the prior posters that there is no way a teenager can't use social media or the high school grapevines to find out where her former friends are headed - just feels odd to post here.


Thank you, and thanks to the parents who actually answered my question, which I seriously regret asking since it didn't matter that much and evidently made some people go craaazyyy… (and no, a 2018 list wouldn't answer my question, but that's okay because we're moving on, given the insanity).

DD did apply to TJ but didn't get in. She was sad mostly because a few of her good friends were going and she doesn't like rejection anymore than the next gal, but in all honesty I'm not sure whether that would have been a good fit for her since she's good at science but not passionate about it, and ended up taking and enjoying a lot of classes that the TJ curriculum probably wouldn't have left time for. So it turned out fine for her in the end.
She sort of kept in touch with a couple of the friends who ended up at TJ through F and S years but by junior year it seems like text messages went unanswered.
Anyway, somehow one of the former friends came up in conversation this weekend and I said "maybe you'll see her again at UVA, since a huge number of TJ kids end up at UVA" and she replied that the odds of them running into each other at a huge school was pretty small even if they did end up there. And then I thought about posting here. That's about it. You'd think if I were keeping score, I would have asked this question back in April.

I don't know who DD knows who could track down the former friends, but even if she can track them down through common friends, don't you think it would be a little weird after two years of silence to suddenly ask "Tell me if so and so is going to UVA?" I don't think DD is that motivated to find out, and for all we know, so and so is going to Harvard.

I'm sure some people will read a nefarious motive in something I just wrote so I'll sign off, but as a reminder to the people going nuts that the college pedigree isn't determinative: we know a young family where the dad went to a state school that's regularly mocked on DCUM, and he makes a nice seven figure salary.






I sympathize with you OP. I didn't see anything weird about your question AT ALL. I assumed your motives and reasoning to be exactly what you just posted. I have no idea why all these people went off the rails with indignation and disdain. DCUM is so whacked sometimes. All these people who got their undies all in a bundle about a SIMPLE question need to seriously take a Xanax.


College is in no way the biggest determiner of a kid's future. A magnet high school isn't either. If you are just interested in earnings, studies have shown choice of major is more significant. Other studies have shown that kids accepted to Ivy league schools but choose to go somewhere else do essentially the same from an income standpoint. Happiness is going to related to many other things.
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2019 16:01     Subject: Anyone have the list of colleges TJ's class of 2019 is headed to?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:First, congrats and good luck to your daughter!

Curious from the tone of your post and just guessing - Did your daughter apply to TJ and not get in and you now want to find out if she got into a better school than her classmates who did get in to TJ? Or did your daughter not apply to TJ because your family believes that TJ kids are disadvantaged in college applications as they must compete with their classmates and you want to validate that decision?

I ask because I agree with all the prior posters that there is no way a teenager can't use social media or the high school grapevines to find out where her former friends are headed - just feels odd to post here.


Thank you, and thanks to the parents who actually answered my question, which I seriously regret asking since it didn't matter that much and evidently made some people go craaazyyy… (and no, a 2018 list wouldn't answer my question, but that's okay because we're moving on, given the insanity).

DD did apply to TJ but didn't get in. She was sad mostly because a few of her good friends were going and she doesn't like rejection anymore than the next gal, but in all honesty I'm not sure whether that would have been a good fit for her since she's good at science but not passionate about it, and ended up taking and enjoying a lot of classes that the TJ curriculum probably wouldn't have left time for. So it turned out fine for her in the end.
She sort of kept in touch with a couple of the friends who ended up at TJ through F and S years but by junior year it seems like text messages went unanswered.
Anyway, somehow one of the former friends came up in conversation this weekend and I said "maybe you'll see her again at UVA, since a huge number of TJ kids end up at UVA" and she replied that the odds of them running into each other at a huge school was pretty small even if they did end up there. And then I thought about posting here. That's about it. You'd think if I were keeping score, I would have asked this question back in April.

I don't know who DD knows who could track down the former friends, but even if she can track them down through common friends, don't you think it would be a little weird after two years of silence to suddenly ask "Tell me if so and so is going to UVA?" I don't think DD is that motivated to find out, and for all we know, so and so is going to Harvard.

I'm sure some people will read a nefarious motive in something I just wrote so I'll sign off, but as a reminder to the people going nuts that the college pedigree isn't determinative: we know a young family where the dad went to a state school that's regularly mocked on DCUM, and he makes a nice seven figure salary.






I sympathize with you OP. I didn't see anything weird about your question AT ALL. I assumed your motives and reasoning to be exactly what you just posted. I have no idea why all these people went off the rails with indignation and disdain. DCUM is so whacked sometimes. All these people who got their undies all in a bundle about a SIMPLE question need to seriously take a Xanax.
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2019 15:55     Subject: Re:Anyone have the list of colleges TJ's class of 2019 is headed to?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:UVA, but how would you know who her friends are?


Wow, you are dense. Your question was overbroad for your purposes. And super weird that your daughter can’t find any other way to know if former friends are going to UVA than asking mommy to post on DCUM.


Why so nasty PP? You sound a little over the top.
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2019 15:52     Subject: Re:Anyone have the list of colleges TJ's class of 2019 is headed to?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Harvard 15. 10 others were missed or didn't report to the list.


There were 12 MIT admits this year , which is roughly on the same level as other years. However, 5 rejected MIT opting for other schools, including all 4 girls admitted.


I don't doubt your info but as a parent of a senior, even I didn't know who was going where, much less know specific numbers of admits vs matriculation.
I don't think the counselors themselves know exact # of admits if the kids don't tell, how then would you know?

By my count, survey is reporting 306 kids out of 421 or 25% of the class did not report their destination for public consumption.


I’m a parent of a junior. My kid should end up at a decent college. But I will strongly suggest he not let his let his name be printed in the senior edition so DCUM can argue over whether his college is “impressive”. Especially since DCUM, in general, knows jack about engineering and CS schools and manages to be unimpressed with Purdue, UICU, GA Tech and the like.


Those schools are getting a fair amount of attention. Only 4 going to GT, but that could be due to cost.


UICU, Michigan and Berkeley ain’t cheap. Not a lot of TJ kids eager to live in Georgia. 4 is actually high. Usually it’s 1-2.


Given the cost of even publics OOS, I'm almost a bit surprised more don't stay in-state. Schools like Berkeley and GT aren't known for throwing out much merit. It looks like relatively few self-reports are going to VT this year and VT is the state's highest rated, most comprehensive, and largest engineering school. I wonder what percentage of the ones going to Michigan, Illinois, Purdue, GT, Berkeley are in engineering. The state is trying to emphasize STEM more and more, but it looks like quite a few of these kids want to go elsewhere.