Anonymous wrote:The school should just get CPS involved

The school should have called CPS on themselves? Their actions were illegal, without a doubt, but were they abusive? That's an interesting question.

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Anonymous wrote:The child would have come in eventually. There was no emergency. If he was still on the playground when the school day ended, and he couldn't transition safely to the bus or however he gets home, THAT is when the parent should be called.

What if every kid did that? Just refused to come into the classroom? They are having a situation in the playground and choose to not come in. Then what?

Well, that would be a lot easier to staff, because the teachers wouldn't have anyone in their classrooms.

If your kid had a significant issue. Would you be OK if your doctor made dangerous choices because "What if every kid needed chemotherapy? There wouldn't be enough?" Because that's basically what you're justifying here. That the school shouldn't have cared about the physical and emotional safety of this kid, because it was inconvenient to do so, or because of some hypothetical situation where it wouldn't be possible. Calling the police on a kid who isn't being actively unsafe increases the danger to the child. Kids die from physical restraint every year in this country.

I would add to the top PP that as a parent, I would want to be notified if this was happening to my kid. Not so I could come pick him up, but because I would want to know what's going on with my kid.

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Anonymous wrote:It is a denial of FAPE to ask parents to come pick up a child with unwanted behaviors. How many times do you think the school has called in the past?

Exactly... parents of special needs kids get called all the time for situations school should be able to handle. Parents of special needs kids have jobs, etc. just like any other parent.

This is why I will have to work until 70, for years I had to expect a call every day/kid was on 90 min school days/ etc etc

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Anonymous wrote:The child would have come in eventually. There was no emergency. If he was still on the playground when the school day ended, and he couldn't transition safely to the bus or however he gets home, THAT is when the parent should be called.

What if every kid did that? Just refused to come into the classroom? They are having a situation in the playground and choose to not come in. Then what?

Ah yes, the "what if every" ploy.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the kind of situation that really pisses me off. As the parent of a child with special needs, it bothers me to no end when I hear stories like this about other parents with SN children basically antagonizing the school and administration. It's the child who suffered here. If the parent was indeed a few min away waiting for a repair man (really?) it doesn't take a few minutes to drive and get your kid and bring them home. Sounds to me like a parent trying to prove a point and test the school.

It's not antagonizing the school. And I don't see how the child "suffered". Actually, allowing the child to escape school by having the parent come and take them home would seem to be the worst outcome for the child. Instead, the school needs to learn to manage behavior better, or offer a different placement.

I agree. OP never explains how she knew all the details (OP works at the school?) but somehow OP had all the inside dope with NO mention of what the IEP/504 plan says is to be done if this kid with SN does not go to class, leaves the building, etc etc. If the kids SN status had something to do with the behavior, there should be a plan. If it had nothing to do with the behavior, no reason to even mention it.

Seems to me OP has a role in the school and also thinks this "SN" stuff is really all a) because of crappy parents or b) involves kids who really should be "somewhere else"

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Anonymous wrote:The child would have come in eventually. There was no emergency. If he was still on the playground when the school day ended, and he couldn't transition safely to the bus or however he gets home, THAT is when the parent should be called.

What if every kid did that? Just refused to come into the classroom? They are having a situation in the playground and choose to not come in. Then what?

Well, every kid doesn't do that. So your hypothetical is pretty useless.

Anonymous wrote:The child would have come in eventually. There was no emergency. If he was still on the playground when the school day ended, and he couldn't transition safely to the bus or however he gets home, THAT is when the parent should be called.

What if every kid did that? Just refused to come into the classroom? They are having a situation in the playground and choose to not come in. Then what?

Probably too busy taking a nap, or at orange theory.

The teachers and administrators could have resolved this. They didn’t want to. They preferred to get the police involved, which is truly reprehensible. The culture of this school must really be something else.

(If you genuinely believe that a group of graduate-degreed professionals specializing in education don’t have the skills to handle a 7 year old who won’t come in off the playground, you have really, really low expectations of teachers. And that is no compliment to them.)

Anonymous wrote:The school should just get CPS involved

Now that's a Loudoun response. You're an idiot pp.

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Anonymous wrote:Op is this Loudoun? Sure sounds like Loudoun.

See, I’m wondering if if’s Fairfax, which is probably being very, very careful about any kind of physical contact, restraint, movement of a child in light of the recent scandal around confinement and restraint methods.

Yes, in Loudoun the sro would have been called in immediately and they'd suspend the child but no documentation of any of this would ever be recorded.

The school should just get CPS involved

There is a documentary nurture or nature, in one episode a child is doing something similar. They have steps in place, can't remember, but if it takes them a whole day, they stay with the child. What is a mother to do in this situation? Lose her job, have no school for her child? They need to be able to handle these situations and sit down with mom, get the permission needed for what is needed.

The child would have come in eventually. There was no emergency. If he was still on the playground when the school day ended, and he couldn't transition safely to the bus or however he gets home, THAT is when the parent should be called.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to rename this thread “Why can’t a group of teachers and administrators get a 2nd or 3rd graded to class?” I mean COME ON. 2nd or 3rd grade!?

agreed.

I don't think you can judge all 2nd or 3rd grade students as the same. I have seen some very volatile and dangerous young children. The school did the right thing by not physically restraining or manhandling the child.

Agree but they should NOT have called the police, WTF? I would love for OP to come back and explain why the school staff felt that was an appropriate decision.