Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a professor, I work for my university and for the good of my profession. I don't work for the students, and I sure as hell don't work for junior's mother. She is not my "employer".

You sound lazy and disillusioned
The parting of knowledge is no longer what drives you

Got it. If knowledge is being imparted (not parted) to junior's mom, then it probably means she is doing his homework. Lovely. A completely broken system. Mom is probably mad because she's not getting enough feedback that she'll be able to write junior's papers better next time. And if his test is online, then she's probably upset because she studied the wrong stuff. Is that you, Felicity?

What does this have to do with some students mother

Anonymous wrote:This attitude is why my DC wants to graduate early. Same degree, 25% discount. To me, it’s not the same education.

Anonymous wrote:As a professor, I work for my university and for the good of my profession. I don't work for the students, and I sure as hell don't work for junior's mother. She is not my "employer".

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a professor, I work for my university and for the good of my profession. I don't work for the students, and I sure as hell don't work for junior's mother. She is not my "employer".

You sound lazy and disillusioned
The parting of knowledge is no longer what drives you

Got it. If knowledge is being imparted (not parted) to junior's mom, then it probably means she is doing his homework. Lovely. A completely broken system. Mom is probably mad because she's not getting enough feedback that she'll be able to write junior's papers better next time. And if his test is online, then she's probably upset because she studied the wrong stuff. Is that you, Felicity?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a professor, I work for my university and for the good of my profession. I don't work for the students, and I sure as hell don't work for junior's mother. She is not my "employer".

You sound lazy and disillusioned
The parting of knowledge is no longer what drives you

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a professor, I work for my university and for the good of my profession. I don't work for the students, and I sure as hell don't work for junior's mother. She is not my "employer".

You sound lazy and disillusioned
The parting of knowledge is no longer what drives you

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When I was a college student, I worked hard for my education. I lived in a shoebox with roommates. I worked a series of unstable jobs. I ate mostly eggs for protein. I wrote checks for my tuition bill and barely kept it together until graduation. I mostly felt like a guest in classrooms. I totally got it that profs were there to write and publish and lectures were not their first priority.

But I also wasn’t taking on lifelong debt. I knew it was chump change for the university, my $4k a semester.

Let’s not play dumb. Massive tuition increases will inevitably change the culture and dynamics. You can’t charge 10x the money but expect the students to act the same.

The professors' salary has not changed that much. The institution charges a lot more money, and in large part that is due to two things: 1) decreased subsidy of state schools from taxes, and 2) students/families insisting on things like renovated dorms and lazy rivers.

But that money is not being demanded by those who teach. Their average salaries have gone down -- no point in taking it out on them.

"Everyone is aware that the cost of going to college has skyrocketed since [fill in any date going back to the middle of the last century]. Why has this happened? This post is about one possible explanation, that turns out not to have any validity at all: increases in faculty salaries. In fact, over the past 40+ years, average salaries for college and university faculty have dropped dramatically. "

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2015/03/money-go-decline-faculty-salaries-american-colleges-universities-past-40-years

Anonymous wrote:As a professor, I work for my university and for the good of my profession. I don't work for the students, and I sure as hell don't work for junior's mother. She is not my "employer".

Anonymous wrote:When I was a college student, I worked hard for my education. I lived in a shoebox with roommates. I worked a series of unstable jobs. I ate mostly eggs for protein. I wrote checks for my tuition bill and barely kept it together until graduation. I mostly felt like a guest in classrooms. I totally got it that profs were there to write and publish and lectures were not their first priority.

But I also wasn’t taking on lifelong debt. I knew it was chump change for the university, my $4k a semester.

Let’s not play dumb. Massive tuition increases will inevitably change the culture and dynamics. You can’t charge 10x the money but expect the students to act the same.

Anonymous wrote:I am a tenure professor at a research university, and I will strongly encourage my children to go to a SLAC for undergraduate. I have stated in other threads that 90% of my salary ($100K, btw) is based on research and publishing, not on teaching.

Students (and, sigh, their parents) who think that they should know exactly what is on an exam are being unrealistic. Class meets for 3 hours/week. An exam will cover that material plus the additional 10 hours of reading that they are supposed to do outside of class. Also, I would say that a good quarter of my students don't show up regularly to class, so their complaints about their poor grades on the exams fall on my deaf ears.

As for the costs--blame the huge rise in upper-level administrators. Have you seen the salaries of university presidents, provosts, and deans? Also, parents are demanding a lot of student services. The percentage of students requiring accommodations has tripled since I've started teaching.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent, I am the paying customer. I expect high quality teachers (which rarely happens) and I expect my kid to behave in a proper manner, including addressing professors properly. As they payer, I can cut funding at any time should neither live up to expectations.

This post illustrates the issue OP is discussing. What the PP is really saying is that if junior (an adult, let’s not forget) doesn’t perform well, she/he is going to blame the school, the department, the dean, the professors, TAs with funny accents, etc. So long as Junior addresses everyone politely and gives a half-hearted effort, she/he thinks junior should earn top scores and matriculate with flying colors because PP really isn’t interested in the education per se, just the brand on the diploma that was apparently purchased and not earned.