Anonymous
04/11/2019 14:08
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We could tear down all the old plantation houses. Or we could use them for something better.
I truly don't see the problem with tearing them down.
Bury the past?
Do you like confederate memorials too?
I’m ok with turning them into something educational. I was a history major.
Congrats on the degree. Explain to me how you take a confederate memorial and turn it into "something educational." And why that is preferable to removing them and replacing them with memorials for black people.
Frankly this is why I think we have Trump as our president. And I’m not certain he’s not going to be re-elected. I actually would be fine with removing the monuments. Idc. But some people do. And I do actually think there a middle ground where we can create memorials for black people alongside and with add signage about the bad and good things the white person did, when it was erected, and why it wouldn’t be erected today.
Somebody not wanting confederate memorials is why trump is our president? I mean, maybe it contributed, but instead of saying we have to be okay with confederate memorials could we focus on restoring felon voter rights, get out the vote efforts, educate others about the importance of healthcare and the environment, and not worry quite so much about keeping potential trump voters placated and comfortable?
Anonymous
04/11/2019 14:01
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We could tear down all the old plantation houses. Or we could use them for something better.
I truly don't see the problem with tearing them down.
Bury the past?
Do you like confederate memorials too?
I’m ok with turning them into something educational. I was a history major.
Congrats on the degree. Explain to me how you take a confederate memorial and turn it into "something educational." And why that is preferable to removing them and replacing them with memorials for black people.
Frankly this is why I think we have Trump as our president. And I’m not certain he’s not going to be re-elected. I actually would be fine with removing the monuments. Idc. But some people do. And I do actually think there a middle ground where we can create memorials for black people alongside and with add signage about the bad and good things the white person did, when it was erected, and why it wouldn’t be erected today.
Anonymous
04/11/2019 13:56
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
#CelebrateHowYouWant
America has a racist history. That's just a fact. But what happened in America's past and what's happening present day is done by people, not buildings. Countless U.S. cities were built by slaves. America was built on the wholesale slaughter of Native Americans. These things were all done by people, not by buildings.
The point is, it matters so much more about why weddings and celebrations are held at these locations. Looking for a period-themed wedding where all the servers just happened to be dressed like slaves? That's racist. Wanting a cotton-themed wedding at a plantation? That's racist. Just having a wedding at a plantation? Not necessarily.
People should be able to celebrate their union where ever they want. If we started limiting wedding venues to places that only have some kind of upbeat, progressive history... many churches would also be unacceptable venues for weddings.
America has a racist history. That's just a fact. But what happened in America's past and what's happening present day is done by people, not buildings. Countless U.S. cities were built by slaves. America was built on the wholesale slaughter of Native Americans. These things were all done by people, not by buildings.
The point is, it matters so much more about why weddings and celebrations are held at these locations. Looking for a period-themed wedding where all the servers just happened to be dressed like slaves? That's racist. Wanting a cotton-themed wedding at a plantation? That's racist. Just having a wedding at a plantation? Not necessarily.
People should be able to celebrate their union where ever they want. If we started limiting wedding venues to places that only have some kind of upbeat, progressive history... many churches would also be unacceptable venues for weddings.
Anonymous
04/11/2019 13:56
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We could tear down all the old plantation houses. Or we could use them for something better.
I truly don't see the problem with tearing them down.
Bury the past?
Do you like confederate memorials too?
I’m ok with turning them into something educational. I was a history major.
Congrats on the degree. Explain to me how you take a confederate memorial and turn it into "something educational." And why that is preferable to removing them and replacing them with memorials for black people.
Anonymous
04/11/2019 13:51
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We could tear down all the old plantation houses. Or we could use them for something better.
I truly don't see the problem with tearing them down.
Bury the past?
Do you like confederate memorials too?
I’m ok with turning them into something educational. I was a history major.
Anonymous
04/11/2019 13:49
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We could tear down all the old plantation houses. Or we could use them for something better.
I truly don't see the problem with tearing them down.
Bury the past?
Do you like confederate memorials too?
I don't think tearing down the plantation houses is a good idea, but I do think using them for something better is.
You seem to prefer to get rid of them. Out of sight, out of mind.
Let me explain. "Better" in this context seems to mean weddings. You can't have it both ways. You can't honor the past by keeping it and using it for a wedding and then go to the wedding and ignore the horrors of what happened. Sure, use it as a museum, whatever, but tearing them down isn't preferable to a wedding.
Personally I vote for tearing them down and erecting memorials in their place. The operators of these places usually suffer from antebellum nostalgia.
Go ahead.
Anonymous
04/11/2019 13:47
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We could tear down all the old plantation houses. Or we could use them for something better.
I truly don't see the problem with tearing them down.
Bury the past?
Do you like confederate memorials too?
I don't think tearing down the plantation houses is a good idea, but I do think using them for something better is.
You seem to prefer to get rid of them. Out of sight, out of mind.
Let me explain. "Better" in this context seems to mean weddings. You can't have it both ways. You can't honor the past by keeping it and using it for a wedding and then go to the wedding and ignore the horrors of what happened. Sure, use it as a museum, whatever, but tearing them down isn't preferable to a wedding.
Personally I vote for tearing them down and erecting memorials in their place. The operators of these places usually suffer from antebellum nostalgia.
Anonymous
04/11/2019 13:46
Subject: Re:Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m personally ok with it but you have to decide how you feel.
We are all living on land we violently took from Native Americans and we don’t let that bother us enough not to do it.
This is the truest statement in this entire thread. If you complain about plantations, you better complain about every inch of soil you step on day to day. Cause guess what, you’re just as guilty.
No. We can feel bad about the land "we" stole (my people stole nothing since we were stolen, but that's another story...) and not romanticize the slavery era by holding a wedding at a plantation. But whatever white people, go ahead and do what you want which is what you always do anyway.
Thanks! I won't even think about your constant whining, either, since it bores me.
lol
This is the type of person who will be an embarrassment to their children. Personally, I wouldn’t want my children and grandchildren to be embarrassed of my wedding photos. Like it or not it says something about you, regardless of what your peers tell you.
Weddings at plantations will one day be looked at much in the same way as minstrel shows. Once upon a time it was “great comedy”
Anonymous
04/11/2019 13:46
Subject: Re:Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:It's funny to see how people's sensibilities are easily affected by fads over time.
How many people happily get married in religious structures and attend religious weddings despite so many atrocities committed in the name of organized religions (all of them) over human history? Or go to destination weddings in chateaus and castles owned by nobles who oppressed their peasants and serfs? Or on lands where the original Native American population was driven off? Or even in robber baron mansions built from tobacco or alcohol fortunes?
Slavery in the US is an ugly and unpleasant chapter of American history but it was far from unique in the annals of history. I once heard someone say that the past has a vote, but not a veto, on our decisions. If you let slavery veto your decisions today, it means you're still letting slavery affect your decision making process, which means it's still triumphing over us.
Real progress is having a diverse wedding on a former plantation. Because that is a sign of how times have changed and how we as a society have moved forward. Vetoing a wedding on a former plantation (where slavery was banned 150 years ago) means we're still letting the perversity of past injustices triumph over us. After all, wouldn't it be symbolic in its own way for a diverse group of wedding guests to happily dance and be merry on the floors built by a slave master?
My opinion, of course. Just do what makes you happy.
I'd feel weird attending a wedding on a plantation. Just one black person's opinion.
Also, how often do you attend really diverse weddings, particularly at a plantation?
Anonymous
04/11/2019 13:42
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We could tear down all the old plantation houses. Or we could use them for something better.
I truly don't see the problem with tearing them down.
Bury the past?
Do you like confederate memorials too?
I don't think tearing down the plantation houses is a good idea, but I do think using them for something better is.
You seem to prefer to get rid of them. Out of sight, out of mind.
Anonymous
04/11/2019 13:42
Subject: Re:Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:It's funny to see how people's sensibilities are easily affected by fads over time.
How many people happily get married in religious structures and attend religious weddings despite so many atrocities committed in the name of organized religions (all of them) over human history? Or go to destination weddings in chateaus and castles owned by nobles who oppressed their peasants and serfs? Or on lands where the original Native American population was driven off? Or even in robber baron mansions built from tobacco or alcohol fortunes?
Slavery in the US is an ugly and unpleasant chapter of American history but it was far from unique in the annals of history. I once heard someone say that the past has a vote, but not a veto, on our decisions. If you let slavery veto your decisions today, it means you're still letting slavery affect your decision making process, which means it's still triumphing over us.
Real progress is having a diverse wedding on a former plantation. Because that is a sign of how times have changed and how we as a society have moved forward. Vetoing a wedding on a former plantation (where slavery was banned 150 years ago) means we're still letting the perversity of past injustices triumph over us. After all, wouldn't it be symbolic in its own way for a diverse group of wedding guests to happily dance and be merry on the floors built by a slave master?
My opinion, of course. Just do what makes you happy.
The legacy of slavery is still very much felt by every Black person in this country. They do not have a choice to veto the color of their skin.
Racism and violence against African Americans is not a historical issue. It is ongoing. Real progress is understanding that and working towards dismantling your own racist beliefs.
Anonymous
04/11/2019 13:41
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We could tear down all the old plantation houses. Or we could use them for something better.
I truly don't see the problem with tearing them down.
Bury the past?
Do you like confederate memorials too?
Anonymous
04/11/2019 13:41
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We could tear down all the old plantation houses. Or we could use them for something better.
I truly don't see the problem with tearing them down.
For one thing, you would lose the educational value of showing where the owners vs the slaves lived, showing what slavery propped up. We need to learn from our past so that we don’t repeat it.
Anonymous
04/11/2019 13:40
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We could tear down all the old plantation houses. Or we could use them for something better.
I truly don't see the problem with tearing them down.
Bury the past?
Anonymous
04/11/2019 13:37
Subject: Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?
Anonymous wrote:We could tear down all the old plantation houses. Or we could use them for something better.
I truly don't see the problem with tearing them down.