I don't understand, there aren't minimum hours for apprenticeship? I would think you would need to work at least 3 years full-time before sitting for the bar. Probably more, no? She has the time to slog out 50 hrs a week? She is insanely busy, there is no way. I would be interested in what of any requirements there are to actually meet before sitting for the bar

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Anonymous wrote:Kim is not stupid, you don't build an empire on nothing and get your family members rich, too, from stupid. Maybe, like someone else said earlier, she's planning for the second half of her life because she realizes even with plastic surgery, she can't keep up the "I'm a Barbie girl" thing too much longer.

Anonymous wrote:She brilliantly built a fortune and launched her family into their own. She is a very smart and savvy person. Good for her.

That anyone attribute the family's empire to anyone but Kris Jenner is only more evidence of Kris' genius and savvy.

I agree with this. That boss bitch is the best puppet master ever. Makes Putin look like a girl scout cookie mom at best.

+2 outside of Kris (and maaybe Kylie) I don’t think any of them have much of a business sense.

Kylie CLEARLY has business sense.

And with Kim it is unquestionable. Kris helped her turn her minor bit of stardom into a reality TV contract and she has certainly negotiated a lot of deals with them. But KK has started business after business after business. She probably didn't need to do anything after the reality show but she has an empire. And she credits her mom with showing her the way, but one person cannot manage the multimillion dollar empires of 6 children.

Kim created and runs ShoeDazzle, she has a perfume line, a makeup line, a clothing line, a mobile app that has made her $$$$$$$, a set of emojis, multiple books.

It is clear which Kardashians work and which don't. Kourtney for example seems to just lend her name to things but has started much fewer actual businesses. Kendall also doesn't have many ventures but is a professional model. Rob does basically nothing at all.

Khloe on the other hand has Good American etc and is starting stuff up. I think Kris works to keep the name 'Kardashian' in the national vernacular, but the invidual siblings have very evident differences in work ethic.

And I really don't understand hating on KK for doing an apprenticeship for four years to try to better herself so she can help the wrongfully incarcerated. Like of all the things! Being who she is all by itself will help these people, a famous advocate, a famous educated advocate is even better.

For the record, I know some relatively not so bright students who graduated law school, but the skin of their teeth. I also know some really bright students who decided it wasn’t for them. Like anything else, if you are willing to put in the time, you can graduate and pass the bar exam.

PP is correct. The best and most successful lawyers I know are engineers, but there are different levels of that, also.

Being a lawyer is fairly common, and not entirely impressive, on its own.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me guess, she’s going to USC?

No. But you are too dumb to go to USC, she is not going to school... dumb bunny, she is interning and taking the bar.

Too dumb to get the joke on your part and I'm too smart to be up on all the specific details of how Ms. Kardashian might go about this. But you keep reading your TMZ and lord that over people. LOLZ

^ha I really wasn't making a pun about her sex tape

Anonymous wrote:She can pay someone to take the bar for her....oh wait...never mind. Can't get away with that sort of thing anymore.

But she'll be a lawyer so she can get herself off

Does she even need to pass the bar?

Read this quote from the Vogue Article:

“I had to think long and hard about this,” she says, gleefully devouring chile con queso with chips now that her Vogue shoot is over. What inspired her to embark on something so overwhelmingly difficult and time-consuming—even as she also runs a multimillion-dollar beauty enterprise—was the combination of “seeing a really good result” with Alice Marie Johnson and feeling out of her depth. “The White House called me to advise to help change the system of clemency,” she says, “and I’m sitting in the Roosevelt Room with, like, a judge who had sentenced criminals and a lot of really powerful people and I just sat there, like, Oh, shit. I need to know more. I would say what I had to say, about the human side and why this is so unfair. But I had attorneys with me who could back that up with all the facts of the case. It’s never one person who gets things done; it’s always a collective of people, and I’ve always known my role, but I just felt like I wanted to be able to fight for people who have paid their dues to society. I just felt like the system could be so different, and I wanted to fight to fix it, and if I knew more, I could do more.”

It's not like she has plans to become a lawyer practicing in a firm. She plans to become a lobbyist/advocate for cases like April Marie Johnson. She will most likely do pro-bono fighting on their behalf. She just wants the knowledge of lawyers so she can do more to fix the problem. She doesn't want to actually become a lawyer.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for Kim. Her husband did a similar thing, working as an apprentice at European fashion houses and learning French. More people should approach lifelong learning with such zeal.

Oh, and Kim is smarter than most DCUMers. Being a nerd doesn't make you smarter.

But being a nerd is the kind of smart that makes for the most successful lawyers! And I'd even go as far as saying being a particular kind of nerd. I know brilliant engineers who would make terrible attorneys and great legal scholars that would probably blow up a science lab. Shrewd is smart for sure, but not necessarily the kind of smart she would need to pull off being a big law type lawyer, no?

There are many, many ways to practice law, and success in no way correlates with intelligence beyond a certain level. There are other personal characteristics that are more important. Being too smart is a detriment to most areas of the law, in my opinion, because it makes lawyers (most the male ones) believe they know everything. Especially when you are in the position of a legal scholar or judge, it's very important to know you aren't better than other people, and that your IDEAS are not better, just because you have a higher IQ. Scalia, case in point.

PP you are responding to this is interesting, thanks for the perspective

Anonymous wrote:I think in California you actually do not have to go to law school to take the bar. But the CA bar has a 40% pass rate so...best of luck to her.

+1. Even if she makes it through law school, she won’t be able to pass the bar.

Just a note - the Virginia Law Reader program requires a bachelor's degree. It is surprising that California only requires 2 years of college work.

http://barexam.virginia.gov/reader/readerrules.html

http://www.calbar.ca.gov/Admissions/Requirements/Education/Legal-Education/Law-Office-or-Judges-Chamber

Oh goodie. Maybe Kanye can become a medical doctor and Kim can be his malpractice lawyer. That would be super cute!

Passing the bar without going to law school is extremely hard. I think Californa's apprentice pass rate is like 1.7%. When I took the bar the overall pass rate was like 39% so passing without law school seems really really really hard. I think the amount of hours she would have to put working her an attorney would really be unrealistic for her lifestyle. Im not saying its not possible. I also have met at least 1000 attorneys and have never met a non law school graduate attorney. Not saying they don't exist but Suits has made it seem like a thing where in the real world it doesn't seem like one. It looks like there are less than 16 apprentice test takers per bar in Cali. BUT what I really did learn from this whole thing is I assumed you could skip law school and take the bar but I didn't realize you didn't need any undergraduate degree either. I assumed 4 year degree holders were free to take the bar in apprentice states not just high school graduates.

Look I went to crappy state schools. Paid my way by waitressing at Bob Evans in the morning and Buffalo Wild Wings at night. I am in no way shape or how one of those "fancy" lawyers so I am defiantly all about getting the degree anyway you can. BUT it does seem like a slap to the profession that you won't even need to be a college graduate. Just my opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, good for her for considering a life beyond selfies.

A genuine +1

this

I saw it coming she was doing a lot of criminal defense work

She's the perfect person for this gig as well. She doesn't need the money.

She can pay someone to take the bar for her....oh wait...never mind. Can't get away with that sort of thing anymore.

Is she confusing paralegal (which is like a 2 yr degree at the community college/online) with being an attorney? Trying to follow in her dad's footsteps?