Anonymous wrote:. Depression LIES and tells you that you are worthless, a burden and everyone is better off without you around. There is usually nothing physically wrong with your body other than your brain chemistry is out of whack. Depression is completely IRRATIONAL and ILLOGICAL.

Do you get it now? One involves your brain messing with you and the other is that you are dying of something else already.

I’m sure that’s true for some people, but as can be seen in this thread, there are many who are ready to catch the bus to the other side and don’t think any of those things about being a burden or everyone better off without them. All the people who are still because of their children are other family members know that they need to stick around for them even if they’d rather not.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't people just respect the decision of those who choose to end their lives? I don't want to end up helpless and dependent. I have the means and the will to end it before that happens, I hope. Don't judge me.

We arent talking about a sick person who is going to end up helpless. We are talking about an otherwise person with Clinical Depression whose brain is lying to them. Please tell me you understand the difference.

DP -- This where things get fuzzy for me. Suicide is a mental disorder ... unless you're facing a painful, physically incapacitating condition or near terminal?

In any case, anyone else considering it should get counseling to figure things out. Take care of yourself, OP.

DP you don't get it, clearly. Suicide isn't a mental disorder- no one said that. Depression with suicidal thoughts - that's a mental disorder. Depression LIES and tells you that you are worthless, a burden and everyone is better off without you around. There is usually nothing physically wrong with your body other than your brain chemistry is out of whack. Depression is completely IRRATIONAL and ILLOGICAL.

If a person RATIONALLY knows that they are terminally ill with cancer or ALS etc. and they don't want a long, drawn out death then sure go for it. That is more like euthanasia than suicide.

Do you get it now? One involves your brain messing with you and the other is that you are dying of something else already.

No, it is still fuzzy. There is more grey. It ISN'T so clear cut. In any case, I still recommend counseling.

Explain the grey area then. I think you just don't understand Depression as a stand-alone disease.

And no, if you are suicidal you don't just need to talk to a counselor. You need to speak to a Dr first b.c you might need intensive treatment.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't people just respect the decision of those who choose to end their lives? I don't want to end up helpless and dependent. I have the means and the will to end it before that happens, I hope. Don't judge me.

We arent talking about a sick person who is going to end up helpless. We are talking about an otherwise person with Clinical Depression whose brain is lying to them. Please tell me you understand the difference.

DP -- This where things get fuzzy for me. Suicide is a mental disorder ... unless you're facing a painful, physically incapacitating condition or near terminal?

In any case, anyone else considering it should get counseling to figure things out. Take care of yourself, OP.

DP you don't get it, clearly. Suicide isn't a mental disorder- no one said that. Depression with suicidal thoughts - that's a mental disorder. Depression LIES and tells you that you are worthless, a burden and everyone is better off without you around. There is usually nothing physically wrong with your body other than your brain chemistry is out of whack. Depression is completely IRRATIONAL and ILLOGICAL.

If a person RATIONALLY knows that they are terminally ill with cancer or ALS etc. and they don't want a long, drawn out death then sure go for it. That is more like euthanasia than suicide.

Do you get it now? One involves your brain messing with you and the other is that you are dying of something else already.

No, it is still fuzzy. There is more grey. It ISN'T so clear cut. In any case, I still recommend counseling.

Anonymous wrote:Depressed/suicidal people need not have children. Much less give children the job of keeping Mommy alive. Find something else to make your existence worthwhile.

Judgmental jerks who shoot their mouths off without knowing what they are talking about shouldn't have children either.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't people just respect the decision of those who choose to end their lives? I don't want to end up helpless and dependent. I have the means and the will to end it before that happens, I hope. Don't judge me.

We arent talking about a sick person who is going to end up helpless. We are talking about an otherwise person with Clinical Depression whose brain is lying to them. Please tell me you understand the difference.

DP -- This where things get fuzzy for me. Suicide is a mental disorder ... unless you're facing a painful, physically incapacitating condition or near terminal?

In any case, anyone else considering it should get counseling to figure things out. Take care of yourself, OP.

DP you don't get it, clearly. Suicide isn't a mental disorder- no one said that. Depression with suicidal thoughts - that's a mental disorder. Depression LIES and tells you that you are worthless, a burden and everyone is better off without you around. There is usually nothing physically wrong with your body other than your brain chemistry is out of whack. Depression is completely IRRATIONAL and ILLOGICAL.

If a person RATIONALLY knows that they are terminally ill with cancer or ALS etc. and they don't want a long, drawn out death then sure go for it. That is more like euthanasia than suicide.

Do you get it now? One involves your brain messing with you and the other is that you are dying of something else already.

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Anonymous wrote:Depressed/suicidal people need not have children. Much less give children the job of keeping Mommy alive. Find something else to make your existence worthwhile.

Get bent.

Thank you for beating me to it.

Anonymous wrote:Depressed/suicidal people need not have children. Much less give children the job of keeping Mommy alive. Find something else to make your existence worthwhile.

Literally one of the biggest reasons I'm childfree. I worry if I had kids they would inherit my mental illnesses and be just as miserable as I am now. My own mother has very poor emotional boundaries and untreated depression, anxiety, and is pretty narcissistic and passive aggressive, and we (my siblings and I) know that we "have to take care of mom" when she is having an episode. It's exhausting and inappropriate. I can't imagine hoisting that kind of burden onto another living person.


In college the only reason I didn't kill myself was because my parents co-signed on my loans and I went to college 20+ hours away by car. I would imagine my parents driving that distance to take all my junk home and my body and what a burden that would be on them. Now that I'm older its for my siblings and my dogs.

Anonymous wrote:Depressed/suicidal people need not have children. Much less give children the job of keeping Mommy alive. Find something else to make your existence worthwhile.

Get bent.

The only thing that stops me is my daughter.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't people just respect the decision of those who choose to end their lives? I don't want to end up helpless and dependent. I have the means and the will to end it before that happens, I hope. Don't judge me.

We arent talking about a sick person who is going to end up helpless. We are talking about an otherwise person with Clinical Depression whose brain is lying to them. Please tell me you understand the difference.

DP -- This where things get fuzzy for me. Suicide is a mental disorder ... unless you're facing a painful, physically incapacitating condition or near terminal?

In any case, anyone else considering it should get counseling to figure things out. Take care of yourself, OP.

Anonymous wrote:Depressed/suicidal people need not have children. Much less give children the job of keeping Mommy alive. Find something else to make your existence worthwhile.

I got depressed after I had my first. Sometimes that's how it happens.

Depressed/suicidal people need not have children. Much less give children the job of keeping Mommy alive. Find something else to make your existence worthwhile.

I’ve wanted to for years. Through therapy, medication, sobriety, watching my kids grow, career success and selling a business that has allowed me to be comfortable and work a job I mostly enjoy.

I don’t think my family or loved ones would be better off without me or anything like that. I’d just like to go and the only compelling reason not to is that I know it would hurt my children. That’s a compelling enough reason, so here I am.

My children.
When I was in high school my boyfriend's father died by suicide. It was tragic, I'll never forget his screams when he found out, and he is still so affected now, 25 years later. He wonders why his dad didn't love him enough to stay, if he could have done something, if he's responsible, it is horrible.

When I have thought my family would be better off without me, or when my shame is too great to bear, I remember his screams and also the idea that as awful as I am, is better than my kids thinking my death is their fault. My meds are good now, but often I have periods where I am just staying alive one day at a time.

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I’m Catholic so I grew up believing it was the only sin that sent you straight to Hell. My DD’s Religious Ed teacher says that’s not the understanding anymore, but I was actually grateful for believing that at my most depressed moments.