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Anonymous wrote:I love King Charles cavaliers and if I could ever find a rescue I would. But those are the nicest dogs in the world and no one is putting them out on the streets, so I’ll continue to use a breeder thank you very much. If you want me to get a rescue dog then perfect, send me a link for a King Charles cavalier. I’ll wait.

https://www.cavalierrescueusa.org/northeast.html

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Thank you!! I’m in SF, so if there’s anything on the west coast I’d definitely get a rescue cavalier because I I’ve tried to adopt from these places on the east coast but they won’t send the dogs of let me adopt out of state.

Anonymous wrote:Those dogs are sad. And the loss leaders are “adopted “. There are some old ones there ...

You contention was not that they are not quickly adopted, it was that they never end up in rescue. I like old dogs.

Those dogs are sad. And the loss leaders are “adopted “. There are some old ones there ...

Anonymous wrote:I love King Charles cavaliers and if I could ever find a rescue I would. But those are the nicest dogs in the world and no one is putting them out on the streets, so I’ll continue to use a breeder thank you very much. If you want me to get a rescue dog then perfect, send me a link for a King Charles cavalier. I’ll wait.

https://www.cavalierrescueusa.org/northeast.html

I love King Charles cavaliers and if I could ever find a rescue I would. But those are the nicest dogs in the world and no one is putting them out on the streets, so I’ll continue to use a breeder thank you very much. If you want me to get a rescue dog then perfect, send me a link for a King Charles cavalier. I’ll wait.

OP, I'm with you. I wish this site could provide a helpful way to look for reputable breeders. The breed I was looking for is never available as a rescue. I'm so happy with my dog, but I do wonder if I went to a "backyard" breeder. I wish we could have breeder searching discussions without the rescue people butting in and making it impossible.

Anonymous wrote:Pets like cats and dogs are horrible for the environment.

If you are callous about the environment to begin with, it really does not matter that you buy a dog from a breeder. If you do not buy the dog from a breeder, that dog will end up in the shelter.

This is a nonsense debate. People should not have dogs and cats. If they do have these animals as pets, then where they get them from is a moot point. Unsold dogs and cats will end up at a shelter.

In short. Buy a dog from wherever you want. They are detrimental to the environment anyways.

Anonymous wrote: There are NO puppies at shelters. None. Dogs are "imprinted" with behavior very early. I served on the board of the Humane Society for years but I buy my dogs from reputable breeders and spend time socializing them and training them (20 minutes per day of training for about six weeks). They are set for life if you commit to this.
Shelter dogs are often victims of abuse.

It’s not just that they have been starved and kept in cages and tied up out back. They are usually the product of people too lazy and ignorant to spay/neuter. Then they are turned over to shelter. No puppies. Unfortunately they have also been deprived of attention llove discipline and training. They are scared by this. It takes training to make them pets. Then there is health issues.

My breeder pup is forever in my heart. He was amazing but had food and environmental allergies, itchy paws/ears. My rescues never had allergies and they have tough tummies. The pet food store always ask if I need suggestions on transitioning when I buy varieties of foods because they are surprised mine have no issues switching up foods without diarrhea (which was so common in my brothers breeder Frenchie and neighbors German Shepherd). I don’t think this signifies a trend but if others are throwing out their anecdotes. I have noticed a trend in breeder dogs typically being more anxious and rescues more chill but that’s also people getting breeds that I imagine are high strung in general (German short haired pointer, Vizla and Westies)

I was very much committed to the “adopt don’t shop” motto. I’d always had rescue cats growing up, and my first adult pet was a shelter cat. So when I went to get a dog, I adopted from the shelter. I had wanted a dog that I could hike with and go out to public patios and events with. I ended up with a leash aggressive dog with anxiety issues that has bitten me and others. Many people would have euthanized such an animal for safety reasons. Indeed, when my first child arrives, I’ll have to put this dog down. I tried to do a good thing, but it’s been exhausting and expensive. I’m going to a reputable breeder next time.

Anonymous wrote:Who cares what an anonymous message board thinks? For whatever reason if you need to use a breeder, then use a breeder! If you want to rescue, then rescue.

+1000

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Anonymous wrote:Op here: the breeders I am looking at raise the dogs in their own home, test strictly for genetics and hips and diseases and breed for temperament, run all kinds of hereditary disease testing - ask potential buyers lots of questions and won’t even sell to just anyone bc they love their puppies so much

Breeders like this do exist. It just takes time and it’s not the cheapest. But in the long run a healthy dog is MUCH cheaper than one with problems. I bought from a breeder and the dog has never had a health problem.

+1 I used a great breeder in a nearby state for my dog. You know when you have a good breeder because they do a lot of genetic testing and only have a few litters per year, unlike puppy mills. They also love their dogs dearly and do not just sell them to anyone. The waiting list can sometimes be a few months long. I think it is absolutely wonderful if you are willing to adopt a dog since there are so many that need a good home. However, with young children at home I really wanted a breed that was great with kids and not predisposed to health issues. You never know what you are really going to get with adoption. I don't judge people either way because you really don't know their circumstances. For example, I know several people who own some variation of a doodle because they needed a dog that was hypoallergenic.

We have an absolutely beautiful mixed breed dog that we rescued, and we were able to get her as a fairly young pup (about 5 months old). She loves people and is generally a wonderful companion. On the flip side, she is terrible with other dogs, extraordinarily high energy (e.g., still crazy after a 4-mile run with my husband), excessively protective of the home, and difficult in many ways. Our next dog will be a younger puppy from a reputable breeder who specializes in ensuring that the dogs have a predictable temperament. For the amount of $$ I have spent in training her, I could have purchased a dog with a calm temperament.

Who cares what an anonymous message board thinks? For whatever reason if you need to use a breeder, then use a breeder! If you want to rescue, then rescue.

There are NO puppies at shelters. None. Dogs are "imprinted" with behavior very early. I served on the board of the Humane Society for years but I buy my dogs from reputable breeders and spend time socializing them and training them (20 minutes per day of training for about six weeks). They are set for life if you commit to this.
Shelter dogs are often victims of abuse.