Anonymous
02/02/2019 10:32
Subject: Re:Do you know any low IQ people?
I'm pretty sure I posted about this before, but I had a friend growing up who had a low IQ. This was in the 1980s, so there were probably some other learning disabilities, too, but I'm not sure they were identified. I know about the low IQ part because our moms were friends, too. My mom is a nurse and I remember her mom telling my mom about it over coffee while my friend and I were supposed to be playing.
Anyway, my friend struggled a lot academically and was in remedial services at school. She got bullied by a particular group of girls who weren't nice to a lot of people, but they definitely targeted her. She was very kind and I enjoyed going to movies and rollerskating and stuff like that with her, but it was hard for her to play board games and she had a lot of trouble reading, so we didn't talk much about books or magazines or anything. We didn't have the kind of deep, intense conversations a lot of tween/teen girls have, but like I said, play dates were fun. Her parents were very nice and her mom was involved with Girl Scouts and pretty much any activity her daughter wanted to do. I also remember seeing both parents around school a lot, meeting with the teachers and counselor. It was fairly unusual for dads to show up for meetings like that back in those days, so I guess that's why I remember it. If I had to guess, her parents' involvement made a lot of difference in her getting as many special services as she did. Her family eventually moved across the country for the dad's job and we lost touch, although we have mutual friends on FB. It looks like she got her degree from a small state college and is now married with kids. She runs a small business (not MLM, thankfully!), and looks happy. Compared to some of the kids I grew up with who were not low IQ, I would say this is a good outcome.
Anyway, my friend struggled a lot academically and was in remedial services at school. She got bullied by a particular group of girls who weren't nice to a lot of people, but they definitely targeted her. She was very kind and I enjoyed going to movies and rollerskating and stuff like that with her, but it was hard for her to play board games and she had a lot of trouble reading, so we didn't talk much about books or magazines or anything. We didn't have the kind of deep, intense conversations a lot of tween/teen girls have, but like I said, play dates were fun. Her parents were very nice and her mom was involved with Girl Scouts and pretty much any activity her daughter wanted to do. I also remember seeing both parents around school a lot, meeting with the teachers and counselor. It was fairly unusual for dads to show up for meetings like that back in those days, so I guess that's why I remember it. If I had to guess, her parents' involvement made a lot of difference in her getting as many special services as she did. Her family eventually moved across the country for the dad's job and we lost touch, although we have mutual friends on FB. It looks like she got her degree from a small state college and is now married with kids. She runs a small business (not MLM, thankfully!), and looks happy. Compared to some of the kids I grew up with who were not low IQ, I would say this is a good outcome.
Anonymous
02/02/2019 09:40
Subject: Do you know any low IQ people?
Children born into poverty do not start out less intelligent but can have lower IQ because children born into poverty wind up as adults (as a group) having faced more obstacles (or, conversely, having faced fewer advantages).
That's hard to answer in an absolute way, because all methods of defining intelligence are sharply limited. Yes, there is a statistical correlation between IQ and wealth, but IQ is not an absolute quantity. Despite outdated claims, IQ is not set at birth, it tends to rise with additional education. Poor people tend to have less access to good education, and poorly educated people are more likely to be poor, which contributes to low IQ scores.
So, yes, by most traditional measures of intelligence, rich people are more intelligent than poor people on the average. But traditional measures of intelligence are driven by environment. The average American child in the 1920's would score about 70 on modern IQ tests. This is not because our grandparents were dumb, it's because they weren't raised to think in a way that would let them score well on IQ tests. The same people, raised in a different environment, would score much higher.
That's hard to answer in an absolute way, because all methods of defining intelligence are sharply limited. Yes, there is a statistical correlation between IQ and wealth, but IQ is not an absolute quantity. Despite outdated claims, IQ is not set at birth, it tends to rise with additional education. Poor people tend to have less access to good education, and poorly educated people are more likely to be poor, which contributes to low IQ scores.
So, yes, by most traditional measures of intelligence, rich people are more intelligent than poor people on the average. But traditional measures of intelligence are driven by environment. The average American child in the 1920's would score about 70 on modern IQ tests. This is not because our grandparents were dumb, it's because they weren't raised to think in a way that would let them score well on IQ tests. The same people, raised in a different environment, would score much higher.
Anonymous
02/02/2019 09:39
Subject: Do you know any low IQ people?
Anonymous wrote:Fwiw I have a 3.92 from an Ivy League school and I am pretty sure my IQ is on the lower side. I am not quick witted or clever at all.
I am a slow thinker who got by with a talent for memorization.
I struggled a lot with jobs as an adult but people are always impressed when I say where I went to college.
Just goes to show.
You must have performed well on the ACT/SAT, though??
Anonymous
02/02/2019 09:37
Subject: Re:Do you know any low IQ people?
Anonymous wrote:yes. he was wonderful and I dated him for several years about 20 years ago (in my 20's). He was kind hearted, generous and great in bed. He was funny - always made me laugh.
I eventually ended it because our conversations could never be too deep or in depth. Whenever I would talk about troubles at work, or struggles about a project, I could see his eyes would glaze over and his response would always be encouraging, but more or less "you'll figure it out" or "you're so smart, they should see that." We could never have a long discussion about anything serious or complicated.
But, I loved him....still do as a friend and he will always have a warm place in my heart.
He is married now and they have 2 kids. We touch base online every once in a while, but honestly, that dwindled off because our chats would go something like this:
him: Hey
me: Hey, good to hear from you. how are you?
him: good, how are you? what's new?
me: good, nothing new (or I'd mention whatever is going on in my life)
him: great
.......
So, it sort of just dwindled.
How do you know for a fact he had a low IQ? Maybe he just didn't have any interest in hearing about your job?!
Anonymous
02/02/2019 09:33
Subject: Do you know any low IQ people?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, quite a few. I volunteered in a low socioeconomic area and the reason that some people struggle and remain low SES relates to lower intelligence. Here is what I noticed:
Less critical thinking. They tend to accept what is told to them, especially if you make it sound like you really know what you are talking about. They don't tend to really assess if what you are saying is valid in the bigger sense. Not that they don't ask questions but they don't analyze as much
Much less abstract in their thinking. They prefer factual info, straightforward info and can be somewhat black and white in their thinking.
Difficulty with (good) decision making. In the moment they tend to make more impulsive decisions rather than weighing the pros and cons, thinking back over past similar situations, anticipating future outcomes. They go with what they want to do in the moment.
Frustration. Often the way the rest of the world acts and thinks doesn't make complete sense to them. They often feel unfairly blamed because they don't really understand why others reacted or viewed them the way they did. they don't really understand why they got in trouble if they had good intentions (but did something wrong) or did something that seemed right in the moment (but wasn't a good decision in the big picture). Life feels unfair.
Emotions tend to be heightened. They don't process as much of their world cognitively so they tend to be more emotionally reactive. Anger is very common. Getting into fights. I would say they are also at times happier. Simple things and when the world feels right, they are pretty happy. Not that they don't stress or get anxious or depressed but they tend to let things go and move on. Just more contented with the simpler things in life. they don't need a lot of intellectual or cognitive stimulation
Taken advantage of. They are easily victimized. They tend to fall for scams and stories and people who are looking for an easy target. They get into unhealthy relationships and spend money where they shouldn't. They may do things out of wanting to be helpful or due to being a good person that ends up coming back to bite them
Big ideas that never go anywhere. They tend to not be great at self assessment of their own strengths and limitations. they have a dream, an idea, a project and aren't very rational in their planning or realistic about actually being able to make it happen. Then it all falls apart and they get frustrated by all the barriers that felt dropped in their way that kept them from doing what they wanted to do.
They tend to be very generous - giving stuff or money to others but without consideration for themselves. For example spending their entire check on gifts for others (then not being able to pay rent or buy food).
Not learning as much from their mistakes or consequences of poor choices. Each time they think it will be different.
Finding learning harder overall. They do learn if something really interests them and is presented in a way that makes sense. They can develop strong skills in different areas if this comes together in the right way.
Finding life hard. Everything about life tends to be a struggle. Good things don't seem to last as long and more bad things happen. This is a combination of all the other pieces together. Especially if they don't have strong support systems.
Sorry but it sounds like those poor people don't have lower intelligence just the misfortune of not being born rich or having the support of family and without any connections or given any good advice by these people. They have to have a support system to succeed is what I noticed otherwise poors stay poor. All the failings makes them lack ambition because they think they will just fail again and they got bills to pay.
Everything else being equal it would make perfect sense for low iq people to be poor. Obviously we live in a society where everything else is NOT equal, so we can certainly assume that a decent number of poor people are poor due to unfortunate circumstances. But the thing that no one wants to admit, is that most likely a large portion of the poor simply aren't smart enough to not be poor.
I have seen plenty of high iq people born into poor families, excelling in college but lacking the opportunities available to them after college because they have no daddy or mommys money to fall back on.
Anonymous
02/02/2019 08:43
Subject: Do you know any low IQ people?
How many people can really pick out the difference between someone with a 125 iq and 110? Would there really be obvious differences between the two. And what further complicates things is how would a 125 iq person with low processing speed or inattentive adhd compare with a person with 110 iq who has no impairments? I would imagine that in certain jobs, the person with a 110 iq would come across as more clever. This is why outside of extremes it's not that easy to tell. I've taught kids who had iq's in the 80's and while they certainly weren't the best students, in other ways they didn't stand out as different from kids with much higher iq's.
Anonymous
02/02/2019 08:37
Subject: Re:Do you know any low IQ people?
Anonymous wrote:I am a gen ed teacher and I was surprised how low some of my students' IQs were. I knew they weren't bright or even average but quite a few of them have been in the low 70s. It takes them a very long time to grasp anything new. They don't make connections so new learning takes forever. Sometimes it feels like the world is passing them by. A low IQ alone won't get them an IEP so it isn't easy to help them when you are the only one. I teach 1st grade and I worry about other kids teasing them as they get older.
I was an elementary school teacher as well and taught various grades. It's actually a lot easier to tell if a kid is not so bright in the younger years as opposed to when they are older. And especially in a field as ours such as education, where you try very hard to want to make every excuse under the sun for why a child is slow, we've been very conditioned to try to find an explanation for it other than the kid is just dumb.
Anonymous
02/02/2019 08:36
Subject: Do you know any low IQ people?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My dad and maybe mom but he is clever in some ways. I hated school as a kid bullied and such hardly went and got put in special ed bc i was failing so many classes for not going still tested at college level in math and english though. When they tested me the genius counselors decided to put me out of special ed.dropped out at 16 got ged jr college then bachelors and masters. Feel i am not ambitious enough though.
You should be more ambitious about improving your written grammar.
I finshed school long ago. What do I care if some snotty snobby egomaniacs on an anon forum want to be anal about grammar?
+100, carry on not caring about this person and living your best life!