Anonymous wrote:States that have laws requiring pregnant women to view an ultrasound before having an abortion should also be required to have pregnant women read this article or others like it, showing the lack of assistance for women in their state who have a baby and find they can't provide for it. Too many girls think that life will be easy or they will just somehow manage. Making them read some realistic articles demonstrating exactly how little help will be there for them and their baby will make it, perhaps, a bit more real how on their own they are.

Watching MTV’s 16 and Pregnant was like that for a brief while. Then it went to hell with Teen Mom.

States that have laws requiring pregnant women to view an ultrasound before having an abortion should also be required to have pregnant women read this article or others like it, showing the lack of assistance for women in their state who have a baby and find they can't provide for it. Too many girls think that life will be easy or they will just somehow manage. Making them read some realistic articles demonstrating exactly how little help will be there for them and their baby will make it, perhaps, a bit more real how on their own they are.

Anonymous wrote:Since when is means-testing racist?

It is race blind.

Most poor people in this country are white in raw numbers.

I'm sorry, this is getting really confusing. Let's back up.

Providing free birth control for all is fine.

Providing free birth control for poor people (means testing) is fine.

Providing free birth control AND paying a cash incentive for taking it, to ALL people is fine.

Providing free birth control AND paying a cash incentive just for poor people (means testing)? That's where it gets dicey. Because a greater percentage of minorities in the US are poor.

Requiring birth control use of ALL people is bad.

Requiring birth control use in order to get public assistance/food benefits/medical treatment/reduced prison sentences is bad.

This is nothing new, unfortunately
When I was growing up in the 70s, I could clearly see that having a child out of wedlock or too young or with an unstable male or a poor job outlook was the road to financial ruin.

I was given up for adoption and determined not to repeat the cycle. So I put off sex until I was out of college and had a job. But if I had gotten preg3I would have not continued the pregnancy.

Allyson should have had an abortion or given her child up for adoption. But now she should find work in a childcare facility so she can get a paycheck and free childcare. She needs to network hard and build a community of people who can assist

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Anonymous wrote:So free is ok, but paying you to take it is racist?

Free birth control for all who want it is fine.

Paying someone an incentive to be on birth control is a type of coercion. We don't need to be doing that.

Honestly, if the offer of free birth control with a cash incentive for all who wanted it were made available across the country just as a matter of course? I'd be OK with that. As long as it was available to everyone regardless of race I wouldn't think it was racist.

It was available to those receiving public assistance, not just certain races receiving assistance, but see how people keep twisting it?

The only qualification was those receiving assistance, so it was available to everyone regardless of race, that met that qualification.

Also, I said if EVERYONE, every woman, in our county were offered a financial incentive to use free birth control, I'd be OK with it. Not just those receiving public assistance. We are still, I believe, a majority white country and so this policy would not affect blacks or other minorities disproportionately. Also it could just be seen as a policy in effect for all our female citizens. I think it would be so smart.

Have public clinics where women can go for free-to-them checkups if need be, and free-to-them birth control.

You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink. But you can make them drink by withholding benefits with each pregnancy and mandatory sterilization after the second irresponsible pregnancy. That is theonlY way to eliminate some of the problem. Women have lost all self respect and treat their reproductive capacity horribly.

How so? The teen pregnancy rates and the abortion rates are historically low.

Duh. Correlates with aging population. Fewer women of childbearing years.

OMG is the stupid strong. Learn to read a chart. Number per thousand of teens aged 15-19. Not absolute number. SMDH.

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Anonymous wrote:I was able to rise out of that sort of environment, but it takes sacrificing having sex or relationships until you are out of college / trade school and into a good paying career where you can support yourself and a future child by yourself if you have to. Which means not having sex until you are in at least your mid to late 20s at this point.

Not everyone can do that but it looks like, from the chart above, that some younger people have realized it's the only sure way.

You are clearly a high IQ person.

Delayed gratification is a function of High IQ.

Most people are too dumb to behave like you so the state needs to intervine more aggressively.

Exactly, pp here. Birth control and certain health services need to be free or extremely low cost, especially for people under certain income levels.

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Anonymous wrote:So free is ok, but paying you to take it is racist?

Free birth control for all who want it is fine.

Paying someone an incentive to be on birth control is a type of coercion. We don't need to be doing that.

Honestly, if the offer of free birth control with a cash incentive for all who wanted it were made available across the country just as a matter of course? I'd be OK with that. As long as it was available to everyone regardless of race I wouldn't think it was racist.

It was available to those receiving public assistance, not just certain races receiving assistance, but see how people keep twisting it?

The only qualification was those receiving assistance, so it was available to everyone regardless of race, that met that qualification.

Also, I said if EVERYONE, every woman, in our county were offered a financial incentive to use free birth control, I'd be OK with it. Not just those receiving public assistance. We are still, I believe, a majority white country and so this policy would not affect blacks or other minorities disproportionately. Also it could just be seen as a policy in effect for all our female citizens. I think it would be so smart.

Have public clinics where women can go for free-to-them checkups if need be, and free-to-them birth control.

You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink. But you can make them drink by withholding benefits with each pregnancy and mandatory sterilization after the second irresponsible pregnancy. That is theonlY way to eliminate some of the problem. Women have lost all self respect and treat their reproductive capacity horribly.

How so? The teen pregnancy rates and the abortion rates are historically low.

Duh. Correlates with aging population. Fewer women of childbearing years.

Um, this measures birth RATES per woman aged 15-19.

Duh.

Anonymous wrote:I worked one year as a social worker and I can tell you with 100% certainly that the most critical thing any society, state for govt can do is provide free, and easy birth control to every single woman starting at age 15. I never once saw a single woman have any hope of getting out of poverty once she was pregnant (or pregnant again). I will never get why republicans haven't pushed this? god knows they hate poor people and especially poor people having kids.

The PP citing the Colorado initiative giving free or minimal cost IUDs to teens, particularly teen mothers, is an example of this. If it is accessible and affordable, most women will choose to control their fertility. Will there be outliers? Sure, of course. But what we see in different large demographic trends is that, if given the choice and it is available, the majority of women choose to both delay motherhood and have fewer children. Where the rubber meets the road here, for me, is that this should be something both political parties agree on. Fewer pregnancies, fewer abortions, fewer people having kids in poverty that rely on the state. Should be a win for all, right?

It is not this way for obvious reasons.

Anonymous wrote:I was able to rise out of that sort of environment, but it takes sacrificing having sex or relationships until you are out of college / trade school and into a good paying career where you can support yourself and a future child by yourself if you have to. Which means not having sex until you are in at least your mid to late 20s at this point.

Not everyone can do that but it looks like, from the chart above, that some younger people have realized it's the only sure way.

You are clearly a high IQ person.

Delayed gratification is a function of High IQ.

Most people are too dumb to behave like you so the state needs to intervine more aggressively.

Anonymous wrote:I worked one year as a social worker and I can tell you with 100% certainly that the most critical thing any society, state for govt can do is provide free, and easy birth control to every single woman starting at age 15. I never once saw a single woman have any hope of getting out of poverty once she was pregnant (or pregnant again). I will never get why republicans haven't pushed this? god knows they hate poor people and especially poor people having kids.

Given that money doesn’t grow on trees wouldn’t it be more optimal to provide more resources/free BC for poor women/families instead of spreading resources too thin and giving it to all women?

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Anonymous wrote:Good, I see we’re kicking someone already down.

It’s the American way. F*ck you for being poor! The shocking lack of empathy is staggering.

I also find it ironic she named her child Atlas.

How about a little personal responsibility?

Since when is means-testing racist?

It is race blind.

Most poor people in this country are white in raw numbers.

I read the story and it’s terribly sad. Her description of not buying tampons so her son could have diaper cream and the financial distress that occurred when her toddler threw one shoe out the stroller and she had to buy him a new pair were heartwrenching. I hope her luck turns soon.

I worked one year as a social worker and I can tell you with 100% certainly that the most critical thing any society, state for govt can do is provide free, and easy birth control to every single woman starting at age 15. I never once saw a single woman have any hope of getting out of poverty once she was pregnant (or pregnant again). I will never get why republicans haven't pushed this? god knows they hate poor people and especially poor people having kids.

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Anonymous wrote:So free is ok, but paying you to take it is racist?

Free birth control for all who want it is fine.

Paying someone an incentive to be on birth control is a type of coercion. We don't need to be doing that.

Honestly, if the offer of free birth control with a cash incentive for all who wanted it were made available across the country just as a matter of course? I'd be OK with that. As long as it was available to everyone regardless of race I wouldn't think it was racist.

It was available to those receiving public assistance, not just certain races receiving assistance, but see how people keep twisting it?

The only qualification was those receiving assistance, so it was available to everyone regardless of race, that met that qualification.

Also, I said if EVERYONE, every woman, in our county were offered a financial incentive to use free birth control, I'd be OK with it. Not just those receiving public assistance. We are still, I believe, a majority white country and so this policy would not affect blacks or other minorities disproportionately. Also it could just be seen as a policy in effect for all our female citizens. I think it would be so smart.

Have public clinics where women can go for free-to-them checkups if need be, and free-to-them birth control.

Why are you against means-testing?

Why are you a focking racist?

DP. You sound like the racist, PP. you think
Means testing is only for minorities?