Anonymous wrote:Apparently they aren't going to take any property....that seems hard to believe.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/transportation/maryland-transportation-secretary-promises-not-to-raze-homes-in-270-495-expansion/

It seems hard to believe because it's a geometric impossibility. Lanes have to be a certain width. And then there's all of the associated stuff, like sound walls and stormwater facilities. And then there's basic topography, since 270 isn't in west Texas. How are they going to fit all of that into the existing right-of-way? And who's going to pay for it?

Apparently they aren't going to take any property....that seems hard to believe.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/transportation/maryland-transportation-secretary-promises-not-to-raze-homes-in-270-495-expansion/

270 usually lightens up in the summer-- not this summer, though. There was almost no break. This fall has been horrendous. I think fewer people are taking Metro from Shady Grove because of all the issues.

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Because Maryland needs more jobs in Gaithersbur/Clarksburg/Frederick. Hogan is a disaster when it comes to bringing business to Maryland. We don't need bigger roads. We need jobs that are not in DC and down county.

It's nice to have Biotech companies in Gaithersburg, but Maryland needs job growth (stalled under Hogan) and they need to be upcounty.

I'm not saying live in Johnstown, PA or Altoona, PA ... but the communities up county are much nicer than the ones down county. The problem is not old houses or small roads... the problem is jobs.

What do you base this opinion on?

If you don't get it, you don't get it.

People are nicer, they are not as stressed, they don't shame kids for going to Frostburg or WVU or even a trade school. It's a much healthier atmosphere fro children and families.

We exist in Bethesda, Rockville, and Potomac as well. I have one that started at MC and transferred to Frostburg and one that graduated from Salisbury. Both kids were all around solid B- HS students at a W school. No APs and SAT scores under 1200. Both kids are also very happily employed today. One works as an SWE for Amazon and the other is an OT.

Exactly, but don't pretend your kids did not feel like they were lesser than their friends.

Wow! That's quite a statement. I have to ask.....how did my kids feel like they were lesser than their friends?

ask them if anybody made them feel bad about those colleges.

Hah this is funny. I grew up in WV and people made fun of a kid for going to ITT instead of Sheppard. You haven’t solved teasing by moving up county.

shepherd college That is.

I went to WVU and no one has made fun of me. It has a good engineering program. They’re the ones that discovered VW cheating on emissions testing.

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Because Maryland needs more jobs in Gaithersbur/Clarksburg/Frederick. Hogan is a disaster when it comes to bringing business to Maryland. We don't need bigger roads. We need jobs that are not in DC and down county.

It's nice to have Biotech companies in Gaithersburg, but Maryland needs job growth (stalled under Hogan) and they need to be upcounty.

I'm not saying live in Johnstown, PA or Altoona, PA ... but the communities up county are much nicer than the ones down county. The problem is not old houses or small roads... the problem is jobs.

What do you base this opinion on?

If you don't get it, you don't get it.

People are nicer, they are not as stressed, they don't shame kids for going to Frostburg or WVU or even a trade school. It's a much healthier atmosphere fro children and families.

We exist in Bethesda, Rockville, and Potomac as well. I have one that started at MC and transferred to Frostburg and one that graduated from Salisbury. Both kids were all around solid B- HS students at a W school. No APs and SAT scores under 1200. Both kids are also very happily employed today. One works as an SWE for Amazon and the other is an OT.

Exactly, but don't pretend your kids did not feel like they were lesser than their friends.

Wow! That's quite a statement. I have to ask.....how did my kids feel like they were lesser than their friends?

ask them if anybody made them feel bad about those colleges.

Hah this is funny. I grew up in WV and people made fun of a kid for going to ITT instead of Sheppard. You haven’t solved teasing by moving up county.

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Because Maryland needs more jobs in Gaithersbur/Clarksburg/Frederick. Hogan is a disaster when it comes to bringing business to Maryland. We don't need bigger roads. We need jobs that are not in DC and down county.

It's nice to have Biotech companies in Gaithersburg, but Maryland needs job growth (stalled under Hogan) and they need to be upcounty.

I'm not saying live in Johnstown, PA or Altoona, PA ... but the communities up county are much nicer than the ones down county. The problem is not old houses or small roads... the problem is jobs.

What do you base this opinion on?

If you don't get it, you don't get it.

People are nicer, they are not as stressed, they don't shame kids for going to Frostburg or WVU or even a trade school. It's a much healthier atmosphere fro children and families.

We exist in Bethesda, Rockville, and Potomac as well. I have one that started at MC and transferred to Frostburg and one that graduated from Salisbury. Both kids were all around solid B- HS students at a W school. No APs and SAT scores under 1200. Both kids are also very happily employed today. One works as an SWE for Amazon and the other is an OT.

Exactly, but don't pretend your kids did not feel like they were lesser than their friends.

Wow! That's quite a statement. I have to ask.....how did my kids feel like they were lesser than their friends?

ask them if anybody made them feel bad about those colleges.

Serious question---why would anyone make them feel bad about those colleges? What type of person would make someone feel bad about a choice that has no impact on their own life?

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Because Maryland needs more jobs in Gaithersbur/Clarksburg/Frederick. Hogan is a disaster when it comes to bringing business to Maryland. We don't need bigger roads. We need jobs that are not in DC and down county.

It's nice to have Biotech companies in Gaithersburg, but Maryland needs job growth (stalled under Hogan) and they need to be upcounty.

I'm not saying live in Johnstown, PA or Altoona, PA ... but the communities up county are much nicer than the ones down county. The problem is not old houses or small roads... the problem is jobs.

What do you base this opinion on?

If you don't get it, you don't get it.

People are nicer, they are not as stressed, they don't shame kids for going to Frostburg or WVU or even a trade school. It's a much healthier atmosphere fro children and families.

We exist in Bethesda, Rockville, and Potomac as well. I have one that started at MC and transferred to Frostburg and one that graduated from Salisbury. Both kids were all around solid B- HS students at a W school. No APs and SAT scores under 1200. Both kids are also very happily employed today. One works as an SWE for Amazon and the other is an OT.

Exactly, but don't pretend your kids did not feel like they were lesser than their friends.

Wow! That's quite a statement. I have to ask.....how did my kids feel like they were lesser than their friends?

ask them if anybody made them feel bad about those colleges.

Why do people complain about congestion down county and also argue against more jobs up county in the same breath.

355 -> Wisconsin avenue is like a torture machine created by evil beings. 495 is pure evil too... thank god for the ICC, have not driven 495 in 5 years.... it's added years to my life.

Why would you not want more jobs up county? Do you think your house value will go down?

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Because Maryland needs more jobs in Gaithersbur/Clarksburg/Frederick. Hogan is a disaster when it comes to bringing business to Maryland. We don't need bigger roads. We need jobs that are not in DC and down county.

It's nice to have Biotech companies in Gaithersburg, but Maryland needs job growth (stalled under Hogan) and they need to be upcounty.

I'm not saying live in Johnstown, PA or Altoona, PA ... but the communities up county are much nicer than the ones down county. The problem is not old houses or small roads... the problem is jobs.

What do you base this opinion on?

If you don't get it, you don't get it.

People are nicer, they are not as stressed, they don't shame kids for going to Frostburg or WVU or even a trade school. It's a much healthier atmosphere fro children and families.

We exist in Bethesda, Rockville, and Potomac as well. I have one that started at MC and transferred to Frostburg and one that graduated from Salisbury. Both kids were all around solid B- HS students at a W school. No APs and SAT scores under 1200. Both kids are also very happily employed today. One works as an SWE for Amazon and the other is an OT.

Exactly, but don't pretend your kids did not feel like they were lesser than their friends.

Wow! That's quite a statement. I have to ask.....how did my kids feel like they were lesser than their friends?

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Because Maryland needs more jobs in Gaithersbur/Clarksburg/Frederick. Hogan is a disaster when it comes to bringing business to Maryland. We don't need bigger roads. We need jobs that are not in DC and down county.

It's nice to have Biotech companies in Gaithersburg, but Maryland needs job growth (stalled under Hogan) and they need to be upcounty.

I'm not saying live in Johnstown, PA or Altoona, PA ... but the communities up county are much nicer than the ones down county. The problem is not old houses or small roads... the problem is jobs.

What do you base this opinion on?

If you don't get it, you don't get it.

People are nicer, they are not as stressed, they don't shame kids for going to Frostburg or WVU or even a trade school. It's a much healthier atmosphere fro children and families.

Wow, you're really got an axe to grind. You're opinion is just that - an opinion. I happen to prefer close-in communities - real, actual walkability, easy access to amenities, walk to school, etc. You do what's right for you, and I'll do what's right for me. Each choice has trade-offs, though - I have to pay a lot for a smaller house, and you have to sit in traffic for a long time. (As an aside, you keep complaining about the people who live close to DC, but *you're* the only person denigrating the character of others, and in the process contradicting your point that people in your neck of the woods are much nicer than those of use close in.)

I do agree that MD needs more job growth, and that Hogan could do better. I don't think Jealous is going to be better on the job creation front, though. (Perhaps the biggest understatement of this thread.)

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That article does nothing to address bottlenecks. It's talking about induced demand. I fully understand what induced demand is, if you make the commute easier then more people will choose to live further out where it's cheaper which will fill up the roads. Fixing bottlenecks makes sense even if you don't agree that widening the road elsewhere should be done. While induced demand may very well be real, it's also true that if all of 270 was 2 lanes each way that it would be much worse than it is today. There is an equilibrium where extra lanes do no good and fixing a bottleneck where six lanes on each side drops to 2 would do a lot to help. Expanding roads where it's already 12 lanes across to 14 would do nothing to help.

That's not true at all. If 270 hadn't been widened, people wouldn't have made decades of decisions based on the existence of a wide 270. They would have made different decisions. Land use and travel patterns would all have been different.

Not to mention that, in places where roads have been reduced, there has been no traffic armageddon.

Okay so let's reduce 270 from 12 lanes to 0 lanes. We would eliminate traffic jams right?

San Francisco reduced the Embarcadero to 0 lanes in 1991. What happened?

Never been to San Francisco and never heard of that road. You’ll have to fill me in....