Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why you would want to wait? Why can't you go up to substitute coach and say you noticed that at every practice your daughter is ahead of other swimmers by several minutes, is resting too much, and last year did a much harder workout. Ask how the process works to move up. This isn't a free activity, you are paying for it. The worst that can happen is they keep her in the group.

They need to get official meet results in October. Saying “my daughter is not challenged, is always first etc. in practice” is subjective opinion of her mom. Times are the only objective measure of her skills for the group placement. If she’s indeed that much faster after the meet than others in her group, then it’s easy to show that her daughter should train by a different program/intervals/yardage.
But I wouldn’t wait till December. If they can’t move her and don’t take her times into consideration, it means something is off with the team logistics, and mom has to start looking at other teams. I wouldn’t worry too much about her daughter missing her friends or coaches - these kids she currently swims with are not her skills level and they would have parted ways in the future, anyway. Swimmers are happier and socialize better with their training group when they are adequately placed by the skills.

I don't understand why you would want to wait? Why can't you go up to substitute coach and say you noticed that at every practice your daughter is ahead of other swimmers by several minutes, is resting too much, and last year did a much harder workout. Ask how the process works to move up. This isn't a free activity, you are paying for it. The worst that can happen is they keep her in the group.

I think you can supplement it with training outside club for a little while but you don’t want to delay it too much. It’s very boring for children to swim without
a group. My kid was very obidient with individual training until teenage years (former club never gave adequate workouts to drop times for various reasons). We eventually came to a point when outside training exceeded club training and had to switch, because around age 12-13 teens become oppositional and don’t train themselves well unless it’s a strong group

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Anonymous wrote:Oh good lord. Why are you asking this question here then? We don't even swim the same distance. BB for a 10 year old competitive swimmer seems like 4x a week practice is more than appropriate if not close to burnout rate. My kid was swimming AAA at that time and moved to 4x a week (from 3x)

Everyone asks for their kid to get moved this time of year (in DC) Let the season settle a bit and hope for a change in December or January. Maybe the coaches put her in that group because they thought she would be a leader. Whatever you do, do not push. Swimming is a HUGE burnout sport.

I would rather have my kid swim last in a faster group than first in a slower. The only change that she will see mid season in this group would be her daighter’s times stalled and times of those moved up improving. Unless she trains on a side.

Exactly. OP here. DD knows if she has any chance of achieving her goals for SC season, she will have to train on the side until the rest is sorted out. DD had a private lesson with an outside coach to supplement her training on Sunday and will probably continue to do so if she desires. We aren't going to push her into that if she's not enjoying it. She did a 3000m LC workout and was fine with it. I showed her private coach the workout that her club group did on Tuesday and he said that she is well past that pace of training. She is concerned that she's leading the group and not being motivated by faster swimmers. I guess it's bound to happen to everyone at some point. DD doesn't want to shop around for clubs. She likes her club and team members. She just wants them to recognize her growth and put her in the appropriate pace of group. DH thinks that DD should be the one to address it with her HC. DD is sooooo shy and wants me to do it. We are waiting it out until she has current times from the first meet, and supplementing in the meantime.

There is no way that previous poster's kid made AAA times training 3x a week. They must be misinformed or intentionally being inflammatory.

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Anonymous wrote:They must be in Europe and spend summers in the US

Nah, I'm guessing Southern Hemisphere, and that the Coriolis Effect applies to more than just toilets and sinks and actually affects all bodies of waters including pools. Thus, whatever people are swimming in the Northern Hemisphere, they are doing the opposite in the Southern Hemisphere.....

Whole world except US trains in SCM or LCM year round. The only place where she would be exposed to SCY is US. There are some summer teams in DC area that train and complete in yards (prince-mount for example). Must be diplomats or military sending their daughter to US grandparents in the summer

Anonymous wrote:Oh good lord. Why are you asking this question here then? We don't even swim the same distance. BB for a 10 year old competitive swimmer seems like 4x a week practice is more than appropriate if not close to burnout rate. My kid was swimming AAA at that time and moved to 4x a week (from 3x)

Everyone asks for their kid to get moved this time of year (in DC) Let the season settle a bit and hope for a change in December or January. Maybe the coaches put her in that group because they thought she would be a leader. Whatever you do, do not push. Swimming is a HUGE burnout sport.

I would rather have my kid swim last in a faster group than first in a slower. The only change that she will see mid season in this group would be her daighter’s times stalled and times of those moved up improving. Unless she trains on a side.

Agree: that commenter with imaginary AAA swimmer who trains 3 times/week is just plain clueless or intentionally misleading.
Does she know what AAA means, for example in 200 or 400 free? It’s roughly 5 min 400FR. These are 10 year olds who are
as tall as 13-14 naturally, have endurance of a horse, who train 6 times/week at a min, and would outswim in training an adult former
swimmer at a 7000 yards workout, easily.

Anonymous wrote:Oh good lord. Why are you asking this question here then? We don't even swim the same distance. BB for a 10 year old competitive swimmer seems like 4x a week practice is more than appropriate if not close to burnout rate. My kid was swimming AAA at that time and moved to 4x a week (from 3x)

Everyone asks for their kid to get moved this time of year (in DC) Let the season settle a bit and hope for a change in December or January. Maybe the coaches put her in that group because they thought she would be a leader. Whatever you do, do not push. Swimming is a HUGE burnout sport.

This comment is completely unrealistic. I know of zero kids with AAA times training 3x a week. OP said her DD was getting 10 yr old BB times as an 8/9 year old last year. It would be safe to assume there’s been growth since and the times will improve as a 9/10 yr old.
Being a leader is great but it’s not going to help OPs child accomplish her own goals. Going backwards in training isn’t going to help either.
Swimming is one of the least burn out sports. It’s a sport you can realistically continue at some capacity for most of your life.

Why do parents always say “my kid swam 3 times/week and was AAA at that time”? To ensure that others who believe it would keep their kids in lower groups to train 3 times * 1000 yards??
To swim AAA you need to train like a AAA swimmer. These times are done at 10 by kids who are in competetive swimming since age 6-7, training far more than 3 times/week

Anonymous wrote:Oh good lord. Why are you asking this question here then? We don't even swim the same distance. BB for a 10 year old competitive swimmer seems like 4x a week practice is more than appropriate if not close to burnout rate. My kid was swimming AAA at that time and moved to 4x a week (from 3x)

Everyone asks for their kid to get moved this time of year (in DC) Let the season settle a bit and hope for a change in December or January. Maybe the coaches put her in that group because they thought she would be a leader. Whatever you do, do not push. Swimming is a HUGE burnout sport.

The original question had nothing to do with times or distances. It was a universal question.

Oh good lord. Why are you asking this question here then? We don't even swim the same distance. BB for a 10 year old competitive swimmer seems like 4x a week practice is more than appropriate if not close to burnout rate. My kid was swimming AAA at that time and moved to 4x a week (from 3x)

Everyone asks for their kid to get moved this time of year (in DC) Let the season settle a bit and hope for a change in December or January. Maybe the coaches put her in that group because they thought she would be a leader. Whatever you do, do not push. Swimming is a HUGE burnout sport.

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Anonymous wrote:They must be in Europe and spend summers in the US

Nah, I'm guessing Southern Hemisphere, and that the Coriolis Effect applies to more than just toilets and sinks and actually affects all bodies of waters including pools. Thus, whatever people are swimming in the Northern Hemisphere, they are doing the opposite in the Southern Hemisphere.....

Anonymous wrote:They must be in Europe and spend summers in the US

Nah, I'm guessing Southern Hemisphere, and that the Coriolis Effect applies to more than just toilets and sinks and actually affects all bodies of waters including pools. Thus, whatever people are swimming in the Northern Hemisphere, they are doing the opposite in the Southern Hemisphere.....

They must be in Europe and spend summers in the US

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Anonymous wrote:OP -- why is your DD swimming SCM in the winter? Nobody does that in the U.S. Here, we swim SCY in the winter, LCM in summer (USA swimmer), and SCM only for summer league. Going forward, I would discuss your DD's times in terms on SCY. In any event, you should talk to head coach and get DD moved. Hanging at the wall for 10 minutes is totally unacceptable.

We aren’t in your area. She swims SCM and LCM during club season Sept to June. Swims SCY during the summer league.

This doesn’t make sense. Club swimming through the winter - usually September to March - is US Swimming. It is SCY. March to August is LCM. Summer leagues are SCM. Are you on a military base or swimming abroad?

Correct. We are abroad.