Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know the outcome of the '05 Loudoun DA vs. Arlington DA today?
Loudoun 1 - Arlington 2
Someone recorded this game and put it up on YouTube, if anyone is interested - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1BBGDvnqcI
The responses to this video were about what I expected. Many will watch and see that both teams are finding it difficult to get sustained possession, high pass strings, or building quality attacks. That much is obvious. Then they compare it to their perception of their own kids team or other teams they've seen at that age, who seem to have more success doing those things. They then conclude the DA isn't all it's cracked up to be, plenty of other clubs doing the same but better, and so on.
The reality is that with a few exceptions (LMVSC, Alexandria, Baltimore Celtic, maybe still Doradus), none of the local non-DA 05 teams could hang with either one of these teams. None of the NCSL D1 teams other than Doradus are anywhere close. Same with VPL. To put it in perspective, MCLN's 05 ENCL team, which isn't bad, lost to Loudoun's B team a few weeks ago at OBGC.
Make no mistake, the kids on the teams in this video are very, very good players. Relative to other 05 boys in this area, they have outstanding footskills, great first touch and technical ability, awareness and game intelligence. But, it's true that when you watch the video you see lots of bad touches, misplaced passes, poor decisions, and not that much use of skill.
Why do you think that is?
Where most people go wrong is that they only see what each team is doing with the ball, without understanding what the other team is doing to stop them. Look how organized both teams are defensively. Look how vertically and horizontally compact they are, how quickly they get numbers back in transition. Notice the pressing traps. Look at the man-marking in the midfield. Yes, players are moving off the ball, but their defenders are moving with them. Passing lanes are clogged. Space is hard to come by, and doesn't last long. Notice how many times a player receives the ball without being immediately put under pressure. It almost never happens. When it does it's usually after a back pass to relieve pressure, but only for a second or two, and when that player looks up he doesn't see any obvious options, because everyone is marked and there is not a lot of room in passing lanes to thread the needle.
In an environment like that, every technical weakness is exposed and magnified, and that is the environment those kids are putting themselves into every single week. It only gets harder for them when they play teams like DCU, Bethesda, Armour, Philly Union and New York Red Bulls. They will struggle, but that's what will make them better.
An honest assessment of local non-DA teams, including the smaller independent clubs like Sporting who do play possession, would reveal that the level of pressure and speed of play is not the same.
For those of you who are still not buying it, please give us some examples of clubs who you think have a comparable level of play. Video would be helpful.
I am not saying the DA has a monopoly on all the good players in this area. There are many teams that have one or two players who are good enough to make either one of these teams. There are a few - including those I've mentioned above - who probably have 5-6 players on their roster who are good enough, but after that there is a drop off.
Oh, and as for the video of the Spanish U14s, FCB's academy is not one of the top 5-10 in Spain. It is one of the top 5 in the entire world. Posting that video as a comparison to these 2 teams is kind of silly. A better comparison would be a match between two 2nd or 3rd division European clubs. That would be interesting to see.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know the outcome of the '05 Loudoun DA vs. Arlington DA today?
Loudoun 1 - Arlington 2
Someone recorded this game and put it up on YouTube, if anyone is interested - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1BBGDvnqcI
Anonymous wrote:Great summary and accurate, both on the level of play of our top DA players and the cultural gap. We may be in a better spot culturally in 30-50 years, but right now we don't have the critical mass needed to be on similar footing to the foreign cultures. Tinkering with league structures, pro/rel, and European training imports in the short term isn't going to cut it. We need soccer to become the destination sport and way of life for these kids, otherwise we are pissing into the wind. And it all starts at home.
Anonymous wrote:Could the DA critics name some 2005 teams in the DMV who play better than Bethesda or DCU? People who have not seen the last two teams play should abstain...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That game is by no means typical of the U14 DA games I've seen. It makes no sense to look at one video in isolation and say that all claims about the DA as a whole are overblown, and the DA is just exactly like all the local non-DA programs. You have to dig a lot deeper than that if you want to have an intelligent assessment of what DA can potentially offer your kid.
But, you definitely can see the quality of players. And, yes, I understand that MLS DA can be very different. I think the point raised is that Travel Club DA isn't really different than your average travel team. In fact, they are just the A team rebranded.
I meant to say--the quality of players individually in that video is not high in terms of skill. One game at the beginning of the season for tactical issues, I'll give you that. But, you'd expect all players at that level to have good touch and skill.
I agree. I think it is helpful to provide a reference point of what a high level u14 game looks like. Here's an example from a U14 age group at MIC Cup in Spain. These teams/players are at entirely different level from the two teams in the earlier video, which are the feeder DAs for DC United.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUNymCBsuP0
The video you posted is from two top 10 programs in Spain. Those two U14 clubs are likely in the top 10 or 5 in the country. I don't think Loudoun and Arlington's 2005 boys teams are even sniffing the top 10 nationally. This comparison is not a good one for those facts alone. That conversation avoids the whole style of play differences, generally, between Spain and those being taught in DA. Play will not look the same even for more skilled US DA teams vs Spanish club teams.
You'd be very surprised if you started looking around at some of the smaller and independent Clubs in the area of the level of skill and the type of possession play. The problem is that everyone is so blinded by 'DA' that they insist this is the best talent and soccer in the area. I have seen US boys teams at U14 playing similar, and at least much better than what was in the video. There are teams outside of the DA that actually go play in the MIC tournament.
Let me clarify=--much better than the DA video. Of course, not the MIC tournament video.

Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That game is by no means typical of the U14 DA games I've seen. It makes no sense to look at one video in isolation and say that all claims about the DA as a whole are overblown, and the DA is just exactly like all the local non-DA programs. You have to dig a lot deeper than that if you want to have an intelligent assessment of what DA can potentially offer your kid.
But, you definitely can see the quality of players. And, yes, I understand that MLS DA can be very different. I think the point raised is that Travel Club DA isn't really different than your average travel team. In fact, they are just the A team rebranded.
I meant to say--the quality of players individually in that video is not high in terms of skill. One game at the beginning of the season for tactical issues, I'll give you that. But, you'd expect all players at that level to have good touch and skill.
I agree. I think it is helpful to provide a reference point of what a high level u14 game looks like. Here's an example from a U14 age group at MIC Cup in Spain. These teams/players are at entirely different level from the two teams in the earlier video, which are the feeder DAs for DC United.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUNymCBsuP0
The video you posted is from two top 10 programs in Spain. Those two U14 clubs are likely in the top 10 or 5 in the country. I don't think Loudoun and Arlington's 2005 boys teams are even sniffing the top 10 nationally. This comparison is not a good one for those facts alone. That conversation avoids the whole style of play differences, generally, between Spain and those being taught in DA. Play will not look the same even for more skilled US DA teams vs Spanish club teams.
You'd be very surprised if you started looking around at some of the smaller and independent Clubs in the area of the level of skill and the type of possession play. The problem is that everyone is so blinded by 'DA' that they insist this is the best talent and soccer in the area. I have seen US boys teams at U14 playing similar, and at least much better than what was in the video. There are teams outside of the DA that actually go play in the MIC tournament.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That game is by no means typical of the U14 DA games I've seen. It makes no sense to look at one video in isolation and say that all claims about the DA as a whole are overblown, and the DA is just exactly like all the local non-DA programs. You have to dig a lot deeper than that if you want to have an intelligent assessment of what DA can potentially offer your kid.
But, you definitely can see the quality of players. And, yes, I understand that MLS DA can be very different. I think the point raised is that Travel Club DA isn't really different than your average travel team. In fact, they are just the A team rebranded.
I meant to say--the quality of players individually in that video is not high in terms of skill. One game at the beginning of the season for tactical issues, I'll give you that. But, you'd expect all players at that level to have good touch and skill.
I agree. I think it is helpful to provide a reference point of what a high level u14 game looks like. Here's an example from a U14 age group at MIC Cup in Spain. These teams/players are at entirely different level from the two teams in the earlier video, which are the feeder DAs for DC United.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUNymCBsuP0
The video you posted is from two top 10 programs in Spain. Those two U14 clubs are likely in the top 10 or 5 in the country. I don't think Loudoun and Arlington's 2005 boys teams are even sniffing the top 10 nationally. This comparison is not a good one for those facts alone. That conversation avoids the whole style of play differences, generally, between Spain and those being taught in DA. Play will not look the same even for more skilled US DA teams vs Spanish club teams.
Let me clarify=--much better than the DA video. Of course, not the MIC tournament video.
You'd be very surprised if you started looking around at some of the smaller and independent Clubs in the area of the level of skill and the type of possession play. The problem is that everyone is so blinded by 'DA' that they insist this is the best talent and soccer in the area. I have seen US boys teams at U14 playing similar, and at least much better than what was in the video. There are teams outside of the DA that actually go play in the MIC tournament.