Anonymous wrote:Citywide, hispanics outperformed blacks on math (28 vs 21) and ELA (32 vs 25), and for many of these kids, English is their second language. Ouch.

These numbers are absolutely atrocious.

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Anonymous wrote:So where is the achievement gap below 40 or 50%?

At Oyster-Adams, the black/white achievement gap in ELA is 12%; however it’s 32% in math.

There is essentially no black/white achievement gap at Ross: 4% in ELA and 0% in Math. DCPS needs to bottle and replicate whatever is going on at Ross!

I wonder—are the black kids at Ross high SES or something? Since we know a lot of this boils down to SES differences?

Probably, but aren’t most of the black kids at Janney, Key, Mann, Murch, etc...also high SES? Those schools all have much larger achievement gaps than Ross.

No. I have 3 kids at Janney. The black kid population is probably only 25% middle to high SES (and some of this 25% is black kids adopted by white neighborhood families). The rest (75%) of the black kids are out of boundary
and lower (to very low) SES. And because it's Janney the the gulf between high and low is HUGE. To buy in AU Park now you have to afford 1.2 million+. The families in the younger grades are all really wealthy--they're no longer even dual feds, they're law partners.
The economic gulf between them and the black kids coming from across the park is massive.

How do you know all the black kid’s SES? Sounds like a lot of prejudging. I have a lot of black friends OOB at Janney. My son’s best friend is black rising 5th. All of his black peers that come to his birthday party come from two HHI families with great jobs. Live in Shepherd Park, Crestwood, 16th St Heights.

There were 736 students at Janney last year. Putting aside race, only 22 students in the entire school were economically disadvantaged, and fewer than 10 students were at risk.

There were ~184 non-white students at Janney. Most of them are not poor.

There is racial bias in education -- because there is racial bias in our society. Period.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, Ludlow seems to have really consolidated its gains! 72 ELA is legit, and 51 Math is a big improvement. Seems like it’s just getting better and better...

Look folks this isn't rocket science the richer/whiter the school the higher the scores..... next

With KIPP and DC Prep being notable exceptions to that rule.

Also Banneker.

And CMI is doing terribly despite the presence of plenty of white and rick folks.

Not in the upper grades. The grades that tanked are a totally different demographic.

Every. Single. Grade at CMI tanked. Also, the upper grades at CMI are the exact same demographic as ITS, LAMB, and MV’s upper grades. That is no excuse.

Not every grade did. The 4th graders improved some in both areas, with a particularly big jump in the Math overall scores. With scores of 47% in both ELA and Math, they outscored all the other grades. This is interesting since I happened to know one of these 4th graders and the parents have commented to me how much better this year went than the 3rd grade year, which they had been very unhappy with. The school needs to figure out why this grade outperformed all the others and use that info to make some changes in the other grades.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, Ludlow seems to have really consolidated its gains! 72 ELA is legit, and 51 Math is a big improvement. Seems like it’s just getting better and better...

Look folks this isn't rocket science the richer/whiter the school the higher the scores..... next

With KIPP and DC Prep being notable exceptions to that rule.

Also Banneker.

And CMI is doing terribly despite the presence of plenty of white and rick folks.

Not in the upper grades. The grades that tanked are a totally different demographic.

Every. Single. Grade at CMI tanked. Also, the upper grades at CMI are the exact same demographic as ITS, LAMB, and MV’s upper grades. That is no excuse.

Not every grade did. The 4th graders improved some in both areas, with a particularly big jump in the Math overall scores. With scores of 47% in both ELA and Math, they outscored all the other grades. This is interesting since I happened to know one of these 4th graders and the parents have commented to me how much better this year went than the 3rd grade year, which they had been very unhappy with. The school needs to figure out why this grade outperformed all the others and use that info to make some changes in the other grades.

47% is not high.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, Ludlow seems to have really consolidated its gains! 72 ELA is legit, and 51 Math is a big improvement. Seems like it’s just getting better and better...

Look folks this isn't rocket science the richer/whiter the school the higher the scores..... next

With KIPP and DC Prep being notable exceptions to that rule.

Also Banneker.

And CMI is doing terribly despite the presence of plenty of white and rick folks.

Not in the upper grades. The grades that tanked are a totally different demographic.

Every. Single. Grade at CMI tanked. Also, the upper grades at CMI are the exact same demographic as ITS, LAMB, and MV’s upper grades. That is no excuse.

Not every grade did. The 4th graders improved some in both areas, with a particularly big jump in the Math overall scores. With scores of 47% in both ELA and Math, they outscored all the other grades. This is interesting since I happened to know one of these 4th graders and the parents have commented to me how much better this year went than the 3rd grade year, which they had been very unhappy with. The school needs to figure out why this grade outperformed all the others and use that info to make some changes in the other grades.

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Anonymous wrote:That's an important caveat: there are approximately 35 black students at Janney. The 184 number cited by the poster is a complete and utter misdirection.

Source: http://profiles.dcps.dc.gov/Janney+Elementary+School

There are also only 7.2 low income students at Janney per your link. Even if you're like PP and assume all the low income students at Janney are black, that would mean only 20% of the black students are low income, not 75%.

Not only did PP say the black kids were 75% low income, she said they were VERY low income. Like PP said, racial bias. She (or he) should come back and apologize, but she won't.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, Ludlow seems to have really consolidated its gains! 72 ELA is legit, and 51 Math is a big improvement. Seems like it’s just getting better and better...

Look folks this isn't rocket science the richer/whiter the school the higher the scores..... next

With KIPP and DC Prep being notable exceptions to that rule.

Also Banneker.

And CMI is doing terribly despite the presence of plenty of white and rick folks.

Not in the upper grades. The grades that tanked are a totally different demographic.

Every. Single. Grade at CMI tanked. Also, the upper grades at CMI are the exact same demographic as ITS, LAMB, and MV’s upper grades. That is no excuse.

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Anonymous wrote:That's an important caveat: there are approximately 35 black students at Janney. The 184 number cited by the poster is a complete and utter misdirection.

Source: http://profiles.dcps.dc.gov/Janney+Elementary+School

There are also only 7.2 low income students at Janney per your link. Even if you're like PP and assume all the low income students at Janney are black, that would mean only 20% of the black students are low income, not 75%.

Anonymous wrote:That's an important caveat: there are approximately 35 black students at Janney. The 184 number cited by the poster is a complete and utter misdirection.

Source: http://profiles.dcps.dc.gov/Janney+Elementary+School

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Anonymous wrote:So where is the achievement gap below 40 or 50%?

At Oyster-Adams, the black/white achievement gap in ELA is 12%; however it’s 32% in math.

There is essentially no black/white achievement gap at Ross: 4% in ELA and 0% in Math. DCPS needs to bottle and replicate whatever is going on at Ross!

I wonder—are the black kids at Ross high SES or something? Since we know a lot of this boils down to SES differences?

Probably, but aren’t most of the black kids at Janney, Key, Mann, Murch, etc...also high SES? Those schools all have much larger achievement gaps than Ross.

No. I have 3 kids at Janney. The black kid population is probably only 25% middle to high SES (and some of this 25% is black kids adopted by white neighborhood families). The rest (75%) of the black kids are out of boundary
and lower (to very low) SES. And because it's Janney the the gulf between high and low is HUGE. To buy in AU Park now you have to afford 1.2 million+. The families in the younger grades are all really wealthy--they're no longer even dual feds, they're law partners.
The economic gulf between them and the black kids coming from across the park is massive.

How do you know all the black kid’s SES? Sounds like a lot of prejudging. I have a lot of black friends OOB at Janney. My son’s best friend is black rising 5th. All of his black peers that come to his birthday party come from two HHI families with great jobs. Live in Shepherd Park, Crestwood, 16th St Heights.

There were 736 students at Janney last year. Putting aside race, only 22 students in the entire school were economically disadvantaged, and fewer than 10 students were at risk.

There were ~184 non-white students at Janney. Most of them are not poor.

There is racial bias in education -- because there is racial bias in our society. Period.

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Anonymous wrote:So where is the achievement gap below 40 or 50%?

At Oyster-Adams, the black/white achievement gap in ELA is 12%; however it’s 32% in math.

There is essentially no black/white achievement gap at Ross: 4% in ELA and 0% in Math. DCPS needs to bottle and replicate whatever is going on at Ross!

I wonder—are the black kids at Ross high SES or something? Since we know a lot of this boils down to SES differences?

Probably, but aren’t most of the black kids at Janney, Key, Mann, Murch, etc...also high SES? Those schools all have much larger achievement gaps than Ross.

No. I have 3 kids at Janney. The black kid population is probably only 25% middle to high SES (and some of this 25% is black kids adopted by white neighborhood families). The rest (75%) of the black kids are out of boundary
and lower (to very low) SES. And because it's Janney the the gulf between high and low is HUGE. To buy in AU Park now you have to afford 1.2 million+. The families in the younger grades are all really wealthy--they're no longer even dual feds, they're law partners.
The economic gulf between them and the black kids coming from across the park is massive.

How do you know all the black kid’s SES? Sounds like a lot of prejudging. I have a lot of black friends OOB at Janney. My son’s best friend is black rising 5th. All of his black peers that come to his birthday party come from two HHI families with great jobs. Live in Shepherd Park, Crestwood, 16th St Heights.