Anonymous wrote:Affluent families hire tutors to navigate MCPS's crappy curriculum. Of course, children whose families don't have the resources would benefit from the same type of tutoring!

So cool that everyone at great old MCPS home schools or tutors their kids on the side because the curriculum and teaching is so bad.

That is really all you need to know about MCPS. It’s ineffective.

NOPE - keep believing that liberal bias and start reading from other developed societies.

Anonymous wrote:My kid gets $20-25/hour for general and subject tutoring (mostly to get the grades up). He tried to volunteer for the free tutoring that was organized by local community. He went there several times. 20 volunteers and 2 students at most. The program died. Tutoring would not solve the problems.

Tutoring only works if students are motivated to learn and if their families are willing to support them by getting them to Saturday school etc

My kid gets $20-25/hour for general and subject tutoring (mostly to get the grades up). He tried to volunteer for the free tutoring that was organized by local community. He went there several times. 20 volunteers and 2 students at most. The program died. Tutoring would not solve the problems.

Anonymous wrote:Np here.

Here's a short video on code switching, etc. it also warns of the misguided/ill intentions of those who claim there is a right/wrong way to speak.

http://www.maximumfun.org/adam-ruins-everything/adam-ruins-everything-episode-33-anne-curzan-talks-grammar-and-flexibility-lan

This isn't short, but it is great.

Np here.

Here's a short video on code switching, etc. it also warns of the misguided/ill intentions of those who claim there is a right/wrong way to speak.

http://www.maximumfun.org/adam-ruins-everything/adam-ruins-everything-episode-33-anne-curzan-talks-grammar-and-flexibility-lan

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"technology" is part of the problem for low income kids. They are plopped in front of the TV 24/7 from birth. Sesame Street has nothing on what their better off peers are getting. Middle class and UC kids are being taken to the zoo, libraries, farms, field trips, playgrounds and educational vacations from birth. They (parents or the nanny) speak to and sing to their kids. They read 5+ books a day to their kids from birth. They delight in their kids and enjoy teaching and learning with them. They constantly read parenting books to better their skills and learn how to manage different ages.

Could we please stop with the "poor people ignore and neglect their children" thing?

You politically correct fools will never understand the "Achievement Gap" if you are this overly sensitive. Of course not all poor people ignore and neglect their children. Just like I can say "Of course not all poor children do poorly in school". But, I can tell you with almost certainty that poor children whose parents ignore and neglect them will struggle in school. We can even remove the word "poor" from that sentence. Neglect is a strong word (and I think you used it improperly to try and prove some point).

Sure. And affluent children whose parents ignore and neglect them will also struggle in school. As you say.

NP. FWIW, our relatives, ages 14 and 11, in a rich Main Line Philadelphia suburb that's part of Montgomery County, PA, absolutely struggle in school. The 11-year-old reads at the 3rd grade level, and is threatened to be held back every school year. The parents are loaded (and there's enough trust funds to go around for everyone and their future spawn) and they just don't care about their kids' education. As in, don't give a crap. They're all set, so why should they trouble themselves with thinking about Larlo's grades? Worst case scenario, they'll buy Larlo a degree from Phoenix University and he will still inherit chunks of family business.

I wouldn't have believed it, had I not seen this situation with my own eyes (those people are DH's relatives). So, yes, there are affluent children who absolutely struggle in school.. it's just that that struggle doesn't seem to have any grave implications for their future.

There. I've said my piece. Now I'll let you guy go back to your linguistic debates.

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Np No sorry. There is American English and British English. We do have grammar rules too. the rest are all accents

There isn't even "British English".

http://www.slate.com/blogs/lexicon_valley/2014/08/05/despite_disputes_over_whether_scots_is_separate_language_or_dialect_of_english.html

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Anonymous wrote:Right and we are talking about school so....

It's not improper English. It's improper choice of variety of English. And yes, the distinction matters.

Just as, for example, in some circumstances, I might say, "Nobody tells me anything," while in other circumstances, I might say, "Nobody tells me nothing." The important thing is that I am familiar with both forms and know when it's more proper to use the former or the latter. Google "code-switching".

I really hope you're not a teacher. Or a parent.

I am a parent who knows something about linguistics.

Here's an article about code-switching and classroom English: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/04/the-code-switcher/554099/

If you knew anything at all about linguistics, you'd know that the English language has grammatical rules, and if you break those rules then it's not English.

Just like if you substitute vocabulary and use, say, German words instead of English words, but keep English grammar, then you aren't speaking German either.

There is no "the English language". There are many English idiolects. The English people speak in Ireland is different from the English people speak in Singapore is different from the English people speak in Nigeria is different from the English people speak in India is different from the English people speak in MCPS schools.

Np No sorry. There is American English and British English. We do have grammar rules too. the rest are all accents

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Anonymous wrote:Right and we are talking about school so....

It's not improper English. It's improper choice of variety of English. And yes, the distinction matters.

Just as, for example, in some circumstances, I might say, "Nobody tells me anything," while in other circumstances, I might say, "Nobody tells me nothing." The important thing is that I am familiar with both forms and know when it's more proper to use the former or the latter. Google "code-switching".

I really hope you're not a teacher. Or a parent.

I am a parent who knows something about linguistics.

Here's an article about code-switching and classroom English: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/04/the-code-switcher/554099/

If you knew anything at all about linguistics, you'd know that the English language has grammatical rules, and if you break those rules then it's not English.

Just like if you substitute vocabulary and use, say, German words instead of English words, but keep English grammar, then you aren't speaking German either.

There is no "the English language". There are many English idiolects. The English people speak in Ireland is different from the English people speak in Singapore is different from the English people speak in Nigeria is different from the English people speak in India is different from the English people speak in MCPS schools.

Forget achievement gap. Are all MCPS students ready for going to college or vocational school with enough math and literacy education to be successful citizens?

I think it is wrong to suggest that any student should not get the acceleration and enrichment they need just because there are kids who are at the bottom of achievement gap

Holding back high performing students in schools have done nothing more than created more gaps for low income families of all races.

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Anonymous wrote:Right and we are talking about school so....

It's not improper English. It's improper choice of variety of English. And yes, the distinction matters.

Just as, for example, in some circumstances, I might say, "Nobody tells me anything," while in other circumstances, I might say, "Nobody tells me nothing." The important thing is that I am familiar with both forms and know when it's more proper to use the former or the latter. Google "code-switching".

I really hope you're not a teacher. Or a parent.

I am a parent who knows something about linguistics.

Here's an article about code-switching and classroom English: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/04/the-code-switcher/554099/

If you knew anything at all about linguistics, you'd know that the English language has grammatical rules, and if you break those rules then it's not English.

Just like if you substitute vocabulary and use, say, German words instead of English words, but keep English grammar, then you aren't speaking German either.

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Anonymous wrote:Right and we are talking about school so....

It's not improper English. It's improper choice of variety of English. And yes, the distinction matters.

Just as, for example, in some circumstances, I might say, "Nobody tells me anything," while in other circumstances, I might say, "Nobody tells me nothing." The important thing is that I am familiar with both forms and know when it's more proper to use the former or the latter. Google "code-switching".

I really hope you're not a teacher. Or a parent.

I am a parent who knows something about linguistics.

Here's an article about code-switching and classroom English: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/04/the-code-switcher/554099/

My Ivy League educated principal uses “aks” instead of “ask.” Parents can’t stand it.

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Anonymous wrote:Right and we are talking about school so....

It's not improper English. It's improper choice of variety of English. And yes, the distinction matters.

Just as, for example, in some circumstances, I might say, "Nobody tells me anything," while in other circumstances, I might say, "Nobody tells me nothing." The important thing is that I am familiar with both forms and know when it's more proper to use the former or the latter. Google "code-switching".

I really hope you're not a teacher. Or a parent.