Anonymous
09/21/2018 21:39
Subject: Re:New Federal Data Shows How Black Students Are Getting Pushed Out Of School
One of the things I've noticed in schools lately which is both good and bad is student accountability on goals and behavior where students come up with their own personal beliefs about themselves. Yes, we want students to have goals themselves and work towards them and it's positive to have this part, but there needs to be more. If one person has so much more knowledge and motivation to begin with, whether for academic or behavior goals, than this process isn't really bringing up the poorer less educated, higher need, children. Children need to be taught how to act appropriately and taught the path to achieving a more affluent and respected life. Only then with assurance of support, can disadvantaged kids grow at a rate that could minimize the achievement gap and reduce the behavior incidents.
Anonymous
09/21/2018 21:12
Subject: New Federal Data Shows How Black Students Are Getting Pushed Out Of School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:To all the people on this thread stating that black children are disciplined more because their behavior is worse than that of white children: What is your evidence for this? Where are the facts, studies, reports and statistics that bear this out? And, how would you explain it, other than the the implication you don’t have the courage to state: That you believe the color of their skin genetically predisposes them to violent and disruptive behavior? In which case, where are the studies that show this? Where, in the extensive genetic research that has been done over the past 70 years, has such a correlation been shown to occur?
huh? I'd say the children the most frequent behavour problems anywhere are the ones with no father figure, uneducated parent(s), yelling or abuse at home, and poverty-stricken (i.e. one or both parent does not hold down a job for long).
This is as likely to be true of white children as it is of black children. Yet there is still a disparity in the disciplining of black children, even for the same behaviors.
https://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/out-wedlock-births-rise-worldwide
Percentage of children born out of wedlock by race in the US (2014):
29% of whites
53% of Hispanics
71% of blacks
Asian?
Anonymous
09/21/2018 21:11
Subject: Re:New Federal Data Shows How Black Students Are Getting Pushed Out Of School
This is the link I got when I clicked on "a report" from the first article.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/black-students-punishment-betsy-devos_us_5ac539b6e4b056a8f597f2a0
The finding of the report are below. How does one though get from the data in paragraph 1 to the conclusion in paragraph 2?
Even though black students only make up about 16 percent of public school students, they account for nearly 40 percent of students who are suspended from school, the report says. A similar pattern exists for students with disabilities, and for male students in general. Students with disabilities make up about 12 percent of public school students, but account for a quarter of those who are suspended, referred to outside law enforcement or arrested at school.
“The analysis shows that students of color suffer harsher discipline for lesser offenses than their white peers and that racial bias is a driver of discipline disparities,” Scott said in a statement. “This report underscores the need to combat these gross disparities by strengthening, not rescinding, the 2014 Discipline Guidance Package, which recommends specific strategies to reduce the disparities without jeopardizing school safety.”
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/black-students-punishment-betsy-devos_us_5ac539b6e4b056a8f597f2a0
The finding of the report are below. How does one though get from the data in paragraph 1 to the conclusion in paragraph 2?
Even though black students only make up about 16 percent of public school students, they account for nearly 40 percent of students who are suspended from school, the report says. A similar pattern exists for students with disabilities, and for male students in general. Students with disabilities make up about 12 percent of public school students, but account for a quarter of those who are suspended, referred to outside law enforcement or arrested at school.
“The analysis shows that students of color suffer harsher discipline for lesser offenses than their white peers and that racial bias is a driver of discipline disparities,” Scott said in a statement. “This report underscores the need to combat these gross disparities by strengthening, not rescinding, the 2014 Discipline Guidance Package, which recommends specific strategies to reduce the disparities without jeopardizing school safety.”
Anonymous
09/21/2018 05:57
Subject: New Federal Data Shows How Black Students Are Getting Pushed Out Of School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:To all the people on this thread stating that black children are disciplined more because their behavior is worse than that of white children: What is your evidence for this? Where are the facts, studies, reports and statistics that bear this out? And, how would you explain it, other than the the implication you don’t have the courage to state: That you believe the color of their skin genetically predisposes them to violent and disruptive behavior? In which case, where are the studies that show this? Where, in the extensive genetic research that has been done over the past 70 years, has such a correlation been shown to occur?
huh? I'd say the children the most frequent behavour problems anywhere are the ones with no father figure, uneducated parent(s), yelling or abuse at home, and poverty-stricken (i.e. one or both parent does not hold down a job for long).
This is as likely to be true of white children as it is of black children. Yet there is still a disparity in the disciplining of black children, even for the same behaviors.
https://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/out-wedlock-births-rise-worldwide
Percentage of children born out of wedlock by race in the US (2014):
29% of whites
53% of Hispanics
71% of blacks
Anonymous
09/19/2018 21:37
Subject: Re:New Federal Data Shows How Black Students Are Getting Pushed Out Of School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I will just share my own experience and looking at my brothers. We grew up in a majority white school in FCPS and it was absolutely true that they were subject to more severe discipline for things like fighting, pranks, etc. than the other white guys involved in the same nonsense.
My response was literally to fade to the background. I kept my nose down, but even I ran into issues as a bright student. I LITERALLY had a teacher refuse to write a recommendation because she didn't think I deserved a spot at the ivy league schools I had applied to. I had another where the counselor stepped in and informed me that after talking to the teacher she didn't think it was a good idea to have them write for me. These women were teaching AP classes in the 90's. None of them knew my credentials beyond my own grade in their class. They just assumed the "A" I had earned was a fluke or that my SAT was low. It was so, so frustrating because people doubt themselves and then you add racism to it and it's like this huge boulder you are carrying up the hill on a daily basis over and over. Add in a layer of sexism (you want to be an engineer?), it just sucked.
It's interesting seeing things from the other side. I'm not an engineer (I actually am a physician) and the cycle is going on again and in some ways it's better but in others I am so, so careful. Here's an excellent example. We can afford to live anywhere in Northern Virginia but after doing a massive amount of analysis live in West Springfield. You know why? It's the pyramid where African Americans have almost no achievement gap. It's a freaking unicorn, but I have been consistently impressed with their experiences. I have friends in Vienna, McLean, and Arlington and the stories are a complete shit show.
PP. I am house hunting and this is extremely helpful. Thank you, PP.
Also take a look at East Falls Church-22041/ East Annandale area too. Black achievement gap nealy zero and in some cases outperform Whites/Asians.