Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is an eye-opening thread. Parents need to do their best to save for their kids college and maximize their education dollars by using all available options - including state schools.
Why? A loan won't kill you.
It won’t kill you, but it is better not to be so much in debt if there is a way to avoid it. State schools are wonderful options.
They are, but I wouldn’t discount private universities entirely. Oftentimes they give you more aid, bringing the cost close to that of a state school. Unless you’re living at home and commuting, state schools are not the cheap bargain they used to be.
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FWIW -- I agree with you. Lawyer here who can't fathom why my (not rich; not married to money; not having trust fund) friends are slogging away at non profits for under 6 figures when they could earn 2-3x that in private practice. And in their cases, it's BS non profits that generally give you the feelings of "doing good" but how much are you really accomplishing?? Bit different for MDs -- we NEED people to want to do primary care bc I for one don't want to be seeing NPs and PAs for everything. If these folks are willing to take one for the team financially to provide care we ALL need -- I wouldn't lecture them on that. But like you -- I personally considered by debt/standard of living etc. when deciding how to move forward educationally and professionally. I'm the one who graduated with 75k in debt and paid it off in 13 years -- super slow bc market returns >> 2.8% interest rates and I wanted the net worth/investments built up fast.
It's too bad that you can't understand people who have other priorities besides making the most money they can, but it's pretty unattractive to judge your friends because they do...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is an eye-opening thread. Parents need to do their best to save for their kids college and maximize their education dollars by using all available options - including state schools.
Why? A loan won't kill you.
It won’t kill you, but it is better not to be so much in debt if there is a way to avoid it. State schools are wonderful options.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is an eye-opening thread. Parents need to do their best to save for their kids college and maximize their education dollars by using all available options - including state schools.
Why? A loan won't kill you.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:250k in loans after medical school. I am 10 ys out and have 180k to go. Depressing.
Wow! My son had almost $200K in student loans when he finished his residency about 18 months ago. He has paid off all but $20K which he expect to pay off by June. He is single and lives well but keeps his spending down because he wanted to pay it off within two years of completing residency.
I don't know how this is possible. You would have to have a ridiculously high net pay in order to pay $180K in 18 months.
He earns approximately $450K gross annually ......
Right. So he's a specialist. Bit different for those guys bc they know when they finish residency they'll make 300k+ or 400k+. Not sure why you're feeling so cocky about this comparing him to a PCP who likely makes less than 1/2 what he makes. Are you also shocked when Wharton MBAs who go into the hedge fund world pay off loans in 1 year while their non profit counterparts who don't have loan forgiveness can easily take 20 years?
Don't mean to come across as cocky but when one has substantial loans after any course of study - whether med school, business school or any other field - one does need to consider earning potential to meet loan obligations and not have to struggle for years thereafter.
It is a point that I have made to all my children and anyone who asks for advice. Pursuing one's passion is all very well but in the end one has to consider earnings potential as well if one is taking on a lot of debt.
FWIW -- I agree with you. Lawyer here who can't fathom why my (not rich; not married to money; not having trust fund) friends are slogging away at non profits for under 6 figures when they could earn 2-3x that in private practice. And in their cases, it's BS non profits that generally give you the feelings of "doing good" but how much are you really accomplishing?? Bit different for MDs -- we NEED people to want to do primary care bc I for one don't want to be seeing NPs and PAs for everything. If these folks are willing to take one for the team financially to provide care we ALL need -- I wouldn't lecture them on that. But like you -- I personally considered by debt/standard of living etc. when deciding how to move forward educationally and professionally. I'm the one who graduated with 75k in debt and paid it off in 13 years -- super slow bc market returns >> 2.8% interest rates and I wanted the net worth/investments built up fast.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is an eye-opening thread. Parents need to do their best to save for their kids college and maximize their education dollars by using all available options - including state schools.
Why? A loan won't kill you.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:250k in loans after medical school. I am 10 ys out and have 180k to go. Depressing.
Holy shit. Do you mean you're 10 yrs post med school or 10 yrs post residency? What specialty/area of practice? Do most drs. defer loan payments for the 4+ years of residency?
10ys post med school. Deferred loans for 3 ys of residency (most people have to unless married with another income or can live with parents/family for free), so I have been paying toward them for 7 ys. I am primary care physician so at low end of pay scale for MD. Luckily most of what is left is very low interest 2.25%. Because of that, I have been maxing 401k rather than throwing that money to the loans since I am way behind in retirement savings after all the years of school and residency.
Ugh this is so depressing to me. I'm an MS3 and I am going into peds. Its so nervewracking to think about the future.![]()
Primary care does not pay well. One need not select a specialty one would hate but there are specialties involving kids that pay fairly well.
Was going to say the same. Do you necessarily HAVE TO be a pediatrician? And even if you must do peds, why not do a subspecialty -- pretty sure the neonatal and the pediatric cardiologists are making a LOT more. Sure they are in training for longer post residency but the given the lifetime earnings, the numbers more than work out in their favor.
I want to be a pediatrician but I am definitely considering doing a subspecialty. I like endocrine and critical care and would consider either of those but I think pediatric endocrine is actually a pay cut compared to a general pediatrician!
My parents paid for undergrad and they pay for my rent, groceries, and gas but the rest I pay for. I attend a state school for med school and will probably come out with like 175k in debt. Its pretty crazy!
Anonymous wrote:This is an eye-opening thread. Parents need to do their best to save for their kids college and maximize their education dollars by using all available options - including state schools.