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Anonymous wrote:The thing I don't get about the rule is that we aren't supposed to go over the speed limit. So, I don't understand how someone driving 55 can get a ticket for being in the left lane and going too slowly. Because the alternative is speeding which is also against the law.

I don’t quite understand this other. “Speed of traffic” and “speed limit” are often in confliction. Which are we supposed to be observing again?

Keep right, Pass left. And worry about yourself.

That's what people said when I tired to ask this before. I am still trying to wrap my head around how this works. Either you're speeding or you're going too slow. It's a catch-22.

People think that "speed limit" means "you have to drive at least this fast, but you usually shouldn't drive more than 10 mph faster"

That's what I'm confused about. I thought a speed limit was the max speed not minimum. The law makes my brain hurt.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they will be enforcing laws against speeding just as much as this new law.

People are more likely to die in a high speed crash than in a lower speed one.

OK, thanks, vigilante. Stay right and MYOB.

So, are you saying the police should not ticket people driving more than 10 mph over the speed limit? Do you think the left lane should be where people can just drive as fast as they like?

Plenty of people are saying both groups are dangerous and both groups should be ticketed. Slow drivers are taking personal offense to the idea that they are behaving as dangerously as the fast drivers because they believe that 1) slower driving is safer driving, 2) they are TRYING to drive safely, hence the slow speeds and 3) at worst they are simply passively encouraging those people driving dangerously (speeders) to slow down and be more safe.

So they have this whole vision of themselves as not JUST a not dangerous driver who shouldn't be at fault but in fact the SAFEST of drivers who are simply trying to make everyone more safe.

Sorry slow drivers, this is a ridiculous vision of yourself. Driving slow in the left lane causes accidents, it just does. It is a circular behavior in that the slow drivers and the fast drivers need to both be doing something wrong to create the situation but that is the reality. If you know this statistic and you choose to drive slowly in the left lane than you are driving dangerously. There is no reason why you can't choose another lane. If my kid steals another kid's toy and the other kid kicks them both children have done something wrong and both children are punished.

If people aren't abiding by the laws with a certain degree, then we're in for a world of hurt once more autonomous cars are on the road. Cars going too fast or two slow are dangerous, as are aggressive drivers.

It will be interesting to see how aggressive drivers fare once they are confined to an automous vehicle. I imagine many will be convulsing trying to get their car to giddy-up.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing I don't get about the rule is that we aren't supposed to go over the speed limit. So, I don't understand how someone driving 55 can get a ticket for being in the left lane and going too slowly. Because the alternative is speeding which is also against the law.

I don’t quite understand this other. “Speed of traffic” and “speed limit” are often in confliction. Which are we supposed to be observing again?

Keep right, Pass left. And worry about yourself.

That's what people said when I tired to ask this before. I am still trying to wrap my head around how this works. Either you're speeding or you're going too slow. It's a catch-22.

People think that "speed limit" means "you have to drive at least this fast, but you usually shouldn't drive more than 10 mph faster"

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope they will be enforcing laws against speeding just as much as this new law.

People are more likely to die in a high speed crash than in a lower speed one.

OK, thanks, vigilante. Stay right and MYOB.

So, are you saying the police should not ticket people driving more than 10 mph over the speed limit? Do you think the left lane should be where people can just drive as fast as they like?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thing I don't get about the rule is that we aren't supposed to go over the speed limit. So, I don't understand how someone driving 55 can get a ticket for being in the left lane and going too slowly. Because the alternative is speeding which is also against the law.

I don’t quite understand this other. “Speed of traffic” and “speed limit” are often in confliction. Which are we supposed to be observing again?

Keep right, Pass left. And worry about yourself.

That's what people said when I tired to ask this before. I am still trying to wrap my head around how this works. Either you're speeding or you're going too slow. It's a catch-22.

Anonymous wrote:I truly do not think speed kills. Bad driving kills and there's plenty of that here. I wish that instead of speeding tickets and reckless driving tickets, they made everyone go to driving courses instead. The absolute worst drivers are those going UNDER the speed limit. They are slow because their reaction times are slow, they have no clue where they're going and they're overwhelmed with just the act of driving. I've seen accidents as people try to avoid these people and get around them.

We're all entitled to our own opinions, but nobody is entitled to their own facts.

Anonymous wrote:I truly do not think speed kills. Bad driving kills and there's plenty of that here. I wish that instead of speeding tickets and reckless driving tickets, they made everyone go to driving courses instead. The absolute worst drivers are those going UNDER the speed limit. They are slow because their reaction times are slow, they have no clue where they're going and they're overwhelmed with just the act of driving. I've seen accidents as people try to avoid these people and get around them.

Yup. No awareness of what is around them PLUS an inability to react = disaster.

Anonymous wrote:I hope they will be enforcing laws against speeding just as much as this new law.

People are more likely to die in a high speed crash than in a lower speed one.

OK, thanks, vigilante. Stay right and MYOB.

I truly do not think speed kills. Bad driving kills and there's plenty of that here. I wish that instead of speeding tickets and reckless driving tickets, they made everyone go to driving courses instead. The absolute worst drivers are those going UNDER the speed limit. They are slow because their reaction times are slow, they have no clue where they're going and they're overwhelmed with just the act of driving. I've seen accidents as people try to avoid these people and get around them.

I hope they will be enforcing laws against speeding just as much as this new law.

People are more likely to die in a high speed crash than in a lower speed one.

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Anonymous wrote:yes, the left lane slow pokes are in the wrong and should be ticketed - I don't think anyone here is arguing that. but PP is right that this rule isn't meant to serve as a RULE in support of wreckless drivers who think that 70mph isn't enough. As long as they get over when needed as PP described I think that's reasonable and not being an jerk. they jerk IMO is the person doing 85mph in and out of traffic endangering the lives of others (and children) is the real jerk in PP's scenario.

They won't be wreckless for long. I hope that the wrecks they get into are one-car wrecks, though.

Anonymous wrote:yes, the left lane slow pokes are in the wrong and should be ticketed - I don't think anyone here is arguing that. but PP is right that this rule isn't meant to serve as a RULE in support of wreckless drivers who think that 70mph isn't enough. As long as they get over when needed as PP described I think that's reasonable and not being an jerk. they jerk IMO is the person doing 85mph in and out of traffic endangering the lives of others (and children) is the real jerk in PP's scenario.

They won't be wreckless for long. I hope that the wrecks they get into are one-car wrecks, though.

Anonymous wrote:yes, the left lane slow pokes are in the wrong and should be ticketed - I don't think anyone here is arguing that. but PP is right that this rule isn't meant to serve as a RULE in support of wreckless drivers who think that 70mph isn't enough. As long as they get over when needed as PP described I think that's reasonable and not being an jerk. they jerk IMO is the person doing 85mph in and out of traffic endangering the lives of others (and children) is the real jerk in PP's scenario.

You can only control your own actions. Stay right and pass left to avoid creating dangerous driving conditions.

yes, the left lane slow pokes are in the wrong and should be ticketed - I don't think anyone here is arguing that. but PP is right that this rule isn't meant to serve as a RULE in support of wreckless drivers who think that 70mph isn't enough. As long as they get over when needed as PP described I think that's reasonable and not being an jerk. they jerk IMO is the person doing 85mph in and out of traffic endangering the lives of others (and children) is the real jerk in PP's scenario.