Rory Gates, only son of Bill & Melinda Gates, applied ED to UChicago and will be attending in the fall as a member of the class of 2022.

Unless your teen is one of those insufferable pushy weirdo types they're not going to enjoy their experience in Hyde Park. And the pushy weirdos are terminal malcontents, so they're not really enjoying it all that much either.

Oh, and get used to the the "U Chicago, is that a good school?"

Tiger mom, "YES, IT'S #3 ON US NEWS!!"

Anonymous wrote:I know many folks keep asserting that it is easy to game the USNews ranking, but the fact is that despite all the gaming, it is very difficult to make huge changes in your rank under the USNews methodology as you get closer to the top. That is because a good portion of the ranking is based on reputation and these are things the college can't really change dramatically.

In fact beside Harvard, Yale and Princeton only three colleges have broken into the top 3 ranks in the last twenty years of USNews ranking history

Caltech, MIT and Chicago and Chicago is the only school that was not in the top 10 then, that has cracked not only the top 10 but advanced into the top 5.

The reason the school has advanced is because it already had all the important parts in its favor, it just had to tinker on the edges to get a few things right to see results.

Not many colleges are in a position to do that otherwise you would have seen many more colleges breaking the top 10 on a regular basis.

Just ask Claremont McKenna College on how to game the system. Claremont McKenna knows how it's done.

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Anonymous wrote:I know many folks keep asserting that it is easy to game the USNews ranking, but the fact is that despite all the gaming, it is very difficult to make huge changes in your rank under the USNews methodology as you get closer to the top. That is because a good portion of the ranking is based on reputation and these are things the college can't really change dramatically.

In fact beside Harvard, Yale and Princeton only three colleges have broken into the top 3 ranks in the last twenty years of USNews ranking history

Caltech, MIT and Chicago and Chicago is the only school that was not in the top 10 then, that has cracked not only the top 10 but advanced into the top 5.

The reason the school has advanced is because it already had all the important parts in its favor, it just had to tinker on the edges to get a few things right to see results.

Not many colleges are in a position to do that otherwise you would have seen many more colleges breaking the top 10 on a regular basis.

There are only so many colleges with the massive endowment needed to make splashy moves. Also, Chicago isn't the only gamer; NYU and Northeastern have both moved up dozens of slots. If US News wasn't a joke, public U engineering powers like Berkeley Michigan Illinois and GTech would all be top 15. STEM is king.

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Anonymous wrote:So funny to see the striver tiger moms obsess over Chicago when they so obviously have zero comprehension of what it's really like. They're just obsessed with US News.

It's nothing like the waspy high-status extrovert places they're dreaming of. It's a campus full of striver cringy beta tiger cubs who've never had an original thought, who learn to get off on being confrontational and yelling "logical fallacy!" when debating peers.

After a boring and brutal college experience your kids are rewarded with 100,000 airline mile consultant gigs or they can be some nobody at a think tank. Dream big.

You are a total dumb ass. Harvard, Yale and Princeton and even the other Ivies are not at all WASPY today. In fact after you take into account URM's, Asians, Internationals and Jews, WASP's are a tiny fraction of the student body. In fact most of the folks that you see classified as White in these elite institutions are Jewish, not WASPS. How many times will you embarrass yourself?

And those tiger moms that you have so much contempt for did a better job at raising their kids than your low IQ parents did. Those kids are in elite institutions while you spend your time spitting your sorry ass venom on a college forum. Look at you now. A total loser and reject.

Waspy is a vibe, you hyper-literal dummy.

Anonymous wrote:I know many folks keep asserting that it is easy to game the USNews ranking, but the fact is that despite all the gaming, it is very difficult to make huge changes in your rank under the USNews methodology as you get closer to the top. That is because a good portion of the ranking is based on reputation and these are things the college can't really change dramatically.

In fact beside Harvard, Yale and Princeton only three colleges have broken into the top 3 ranks in the last twenty years of USNews ranking history

Caltech, MIT and Chicago and Chicago is the only school that was not in the top 10 then, that has cracked not only the top 10 but advanced into the top 5.

The reason the school has advanced is because it already had all the important parts in its favor, it just had to tinker on the edges to get a few things right to see results.

Not many colleges are in a position to do that otherwise you would have seen many more colleges breaking the top 10 on a regular basis.

There are only so many colleges with the massive endowment needed to make splashy moves. Also, Chicago isn't the only gamer; NYU and Northeastern have both moved up dozens of slots. If US News wasn't a joke, public U engineering powers like Berkeley Michigan Illinois and GTech would all be top 15. STEM is king.

Anonymous wrote:So funny to see the striver tiger moms obsess over Chicago when they so obviously have zero comprehension of what it's really like. They're just obsessed with US News.

It's nothing like the waspy high-status extrovert places they're dreaming of. It's a campus full of striver cringy beta tiger cubs who've never had an original thought, who learn to get off on being confrontational and yelling "logical fallacy!" when debating peers.

After a boring and brutal college experience your kids are rewarded with 100,000 airline mile consultant gigs or they can be some nobody at a think tank. Dream big.

You are a total dumb ass. Harvard, Yale and Princeton and even the other Ivies are not at all WASPY today. In fact after you take into account URM's, Asians, Internationals and Jews, WASP's are a tiny fraction of the student body. In fact most of the folks that you see classified as White in these elite institutions are Jewish, not WASPS. How many times will you embarrass yourself?

And those tiger moms that you have so much contempt for did a better job at raising their kids than your low IQ parents did. Those kids are in elite institutions while you spend your time spitting your sorry ass venom on a college forum. Look at you now. A total loser and reject.

I know many folks keep asserting that it is easy to game the USNews ranking, but the fact is that despite all the gaming, it is very difficult to make huge changes in your rank under the USNews methodology as you get closer to the top. That is because a good portion of the ranking is based on reputation and these are things the college can't really change dramatically.

In fact beside Harvard, Yale and Princeton only three colleges have broken into the top 3 ranks in the last twenty years of USNews ranking history

Caltech, MIT and Chicago and Chicago is the only school that was not in the top 10 then, that has cracked not only the top 10 but advanced into the top 5.

The reason the school has advanced is because it already had all the important parts in its favor, it just had to tinker on the edges to get a few things right to see results.

Not many colleges are in a position to do that otherwise you would have seen many more colleges breaking the top 10 on a regular basis.

So funny to see the striver tiger moms obsess over Chicago when they so obviously have zero comprehension of what it's really like. They're just obsessed with US News.

It's nothing like the waspy high-status extrovert places they're dreaming of. It's a campus full of striver cringy beta tiger cubs who've never had an original thought, who learn to get off on being confrontational and yelling "logical fallacy!" when debating peers.

After a boring and brutal college experience your kids are rewarded with 100,000 airline mile consultant gigs or they can be some nobody at a think tank. Dream big.

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Anonymous wrote:Visiting with U of Chicago with my niece yesterday, met at least 100 kids that were accepted but not committed and most likely choosing other schools.(My niece has commited). It was very surprising. I even met a kid who was going to decline U of C to attend U of Richmond. I also met a very impressive kid from Herndon who attends South Lakes HS. Went on and on about how great the IB program there is-was also accepted at three U of CA schools and other top 10 schools. But said most likely going to attend UVA.

This is my first time visiting the campus and it is really beautiful. We had a wonderful tour guide and the school really went all out during the visit. My niece loves it.

You do realize that kids declining offers =/= going to the waitlist, right?

A 2,300 admitted pool and a 76% yield means, that about 550 folks will land up turning down the offer. That is still lower than the 700+ kids who turn down their Columbia offers and over 1,300 students who turn down UPenn offers, Even at Harvard, about 300 kids turn down offers.

Notwithstanding all the misinformation thrown out by clueless and misinformed UChicago haters here, Uchicago just admitted less than 55% of the class in all their binding programs (based on figures released to parents and students by the school during admit weekends and admitted students information sessions, not 70% or 80% as charged by these haters) , or in line with Penn's ED policies. Given that, the 70+% yield is still impressive and similar to many Ivies with binding programs

Having said that, there will always be kids who turn down these offers. That is why every school make more offers than the class size.

UChicago is unique in that it offers waitlisted students an opportunity at attend IF they agree to take a gap year. So, UChicago will admit waitlisted/gap year students, increasing their yield stats for next year. This, all in the name of UChicago yield stats! The extent to which UChicago will go never fails to amaze those who know how Chicago is gaming the USNews system.

Honestly, I don't see what's wrong with this. If a kid wants UC and is willing to take the gap year, seems like a win/win to me.

Sure. Nothing wrong. But if you want to understand the yield stats, this is how Chicago does it. Waitlisted students who commit to a gap year are locked in for next year's stats purpose. This is how Chicago does it. Once you know how Chicago is gaming the system, you won't have to be in awe of this school. Any state school with 40% admit ratio, if they have the marketing funding, can become Chicago caliber in 10 years.

And you know this how? Do you have data to back this up? BTW, not sure why you think comparing a private school to a state school is insulting a private school. There are many private schools that would kill to be a Michigan or Berkeley

There’s a Chicago fan who is just as crazy as the Chicago hater and together they make any UofC thread obnoxious.

Anyone who chooses a college based on how low an admissions rate it has (and since when) is going about this all wrong. Ditto anyone who decides based on the volume of direct mail they receive from the school.

Here’s another approach — written for HS students.

If you want to make a rational decision about whether to apply to UChicago, ask yourself whether you want academics to be your focus in college, whether you want a Core curriculum that forces you and your classmates out of your comfort zone and constrains your course selection, whether you will like (or be willing to put up with) the fast pace of the quarter system in exchange for no work vacations and the opportunity to take more courses per year. How do you feel about having to work hard for good grades and about getting some Bs even after working hard? Are you comfortable around introverts? Are you excited and inspired by the opportunity to study with really smart professors and classmates? Are you comfortable living in a major city and using public transportation even if you’re routinely outside the tourist zone and living in an economically and racially diverse neighborhood.

Unless you’re answering yes or “I’m okay with that” to most of these questions, UChicago is probably not the right pick. If you are answering yes, then take a closer look, it’s a great school for someone like you. Whether it’s the best school for someone like you is a different question. One aspect of that answer may well be financial and that’s worth figuring out/working through before applying.

The next hurdle is admissions and deciding whether/under what circumstances UChicago would be your first choice and what implications that has for whether you apply EA, ED1, ED2, or RD. Choose EA if you have to compare offers, ED2 if your dream school is a different school and your dream doesn't come true in December, but UChicago is your second choice. ED1 if UChicago is your dream school and RD if it’s one of a number of schools you’re interested in and if you are pretty sure you won’t regret having applied RD if you don’t get in.

How do you figure out whether UChicago is a first or second choice school for you? If the question arises in the context of deciding whether to apply ED1 or ED2 (i.e. whether to make a potentially binding commitment before knowing your alternatives), look at departments and faculty, talk to people you know (from school, sports, etc) who have chosen UChicago, visit if you can, look into summer programs (some free (Adelante), some expensive (RIBS)). Look at the Uncommon App and the marketing materials the school sends out and see whether your reaction is “this sounds fun” vs “wtf?” or “hmm, not sure I want to be surrounded by people who think this is cool.” If you or your parents are concerned about campus safety or about career outcomes or graduate admissions, these things are pretty easily researchable on line. If you’re facing the “is this my top choice school?” decision post-acceptance (via EA or RD), try to make it to one of the accepted student events. I think the school covers travel expenses if that’s necessary. And you get to meet potential classmates, which is an advantage over the pre-admissions overnights.

PP ran out of argument long ago.

Your logical fallacy is called ad hominem. You attack your opponent's character or personal traits if you run out of argument.

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Anonymous wrote:Visiting with U of Chicago with my niece yesterday, met at least 100 kids that were accepted but not committed and most likely choosing other schools.(My niece has commited). It was very surprising. I even met a kid who was going to decline U of C to attend U of Richmond. I also met a very impressive kid from Herndon who attends South Lakes HS. Went on and on about how great the IB program there is-was also accepted at three U of CA schools and other top 10 schools. But said most likely going to attend UVA.

This is my first time visiting the campus and it is really beautiful. We had a wonderful tour guide and the school really went all out during the visit. My niece loves it.

You do realize that kids declining offers =/= going to the waitlist, right?

A 2,300 admitted pool and a 76% yield means, that about 550 folks will land up turning down the offer. That is still lower than the 700+ kids who turn down their Columbia offers and over 1,300 students who turn down UPenn offers, Even at Harvard, about 300 kids turn down offers.

Notwithstanding all the misinformation thrown out by clueless and misinformed UChicago haters here, Uchicago just admitted less than 55% of the class in all their binding programs (based on figures released to parents and students by the school during admit weekends and admitted students information sessions, not 70% or 80% as charged by these haters) , or in line with Penn's ED policies. Given that, the 70+% yield is still impressive and similar to many Ivies with binding programs

Having said that, there will always be kids who turn down these offers. That is why every school make more offers than the class size.

UChicago is unique in that it offers waitlisted students an opportunity at attend IF they agree to take a gap year. So, UChicago will admit waitlisted/gap year students, increasing their yield stats for next year. This, all in the name of UChicago yield stats! The extent to which UChicago will go never fails to amaze those who know how Chicago is gaming the USNews system.

Honestly, I don't see what's wrong with this. If a kid wants UC and is willing to take the gap year, seems like a win/win to me.

Sure. Nothing wrong. But if you want to understand the yield stats, this is how Chicago does it. Waitlisted students who commit to a gap year are locked in for next year's stats purpose. This is how Chicago does it. Once you know how Chicago is gaming the system, you won't have to be in awe of this school. Any state school with 40% admit ratio, if they have the marketing funding, can become Chicago caliber in 10 years.

Proof loser or shut up and crawl into your hole. Btw, there are still positions open at Valois. You can still be a waiter there. That way you can breathe the air and get close to the school that turned you down

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Anonymous wrote:Visiting with U of Chicago with my niece yesterday, met at least 100 kids that were accepted but not committed and most likely choosing other schools.(My niece has commited). It was very surprising. I even met a kid who was going to decline U of C to attend U of Richmond. I also met a very impressive kid from Herndon who attends South Lakes HS. Went on and on about how great the IB program there is-was also accepted at three U of CA schools and other top 10 schools. But said most likely going to attend UVA.

This is my first time visiting the campus and it is really beautiful. We had a wonderful tour guide and the school really went all out during the visit. My niece loves it.

You do realize that kids declining offers =/= going to the waitlist, right?

A 2,300 admitted pool and a 76% yield means, that about 550 folks will land up turning down the offer. That is still lower than the 700+ kids who turn down their Columbia offers and over 1,300 students who turn down UPenn offers, Even at Harvard, about 300 kids turn down offers.

Notwithstanding all the misinformation thrown out by clueless and misinformed UChicago haters here, Uchicago just admitted less than 55% of the class in all their binding programs (based on figures released to parents and students by the school during admit weekends and admitted students information sessions, not 70% or 80% as charged by these haters) , or in line with Penn's ED policies. Given that, the 70+% yield is still impressive and similar to many Ivies with binding programs

Having said that, there will always be kids who turn down these offers. That is why every school make more offers than the class size.

UChicago is unique in that it offers waitlisted students an opportunity at attend IF they agree to take a gap year. So, UChicago will admit waitlisted/gap year students, increasing their yield stats for next year. This, all in the name of UChicago yield stats! The extent to which UChicago will go never fails to amaze those who know how Chicago is gaming the USNews system.

Honestly, I don't see what's wrong with this. If a kid wants UC and is willing to take the gap year, seems like a win/win to me.

Ignore him. He's a low IQ rejected loser who got laughed at, ridiculed and exposed on Reddit so has come here now.