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Possibly McCain, possibly Collins (though she sounded more like a 'Yes' yesterday afternoon), possibly Kennedy now that the trigger is added. Trigger is a nonstarter for him apparently, but no trigger is a nonstarter for Corker.

The trigger isn't even a real thing. It's just talk now, and supposedly language will be ready by tomorrow. Maybe.

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Anonymous wrote:You need more than one to go rogue for it not to passs

Possibly McCain, possibly Collins (though she sounded more like a 'Yes' yesterday afternoon), possibly Kennedy now that the trigger is added. Trigger is a nonstarter for him apparently, but no trigger is a nonstarter for Corker.

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Possibly McCain, possibly Collins (though she sounded more like a 'Yes' yesterday afternoon), possibly Kennedy now that the trigger is added. Trigger is a nonstarter for him apparently, but no trigger is a nonstarter for Corker.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no anti-deficit faction in the Senate. The deficit is just something Senators cluck about when the other side is in control.

Deficit will surely come up when they refuse to Renew the CHIP program

I don't understand Republicans. They're pro-life and all about protecting unborn babies, but once the kids are born, they just **** all over them.

Hint: they don't give a sh#t about other peoples' kids at all. Abortion, religion, etc are all just useful wedge issues to get working classes to side with policies that help inherited wealth at the expense of the middle class.

Despite all our education, the vast knowledge attainable via the internet, and miraculous technological breakthroughs, we STILL have folks getting hung up on tribalist wedge issues and supporting politicians who want to destroy their economic security. The wealthy have been doing this for millennia and workers are still too dumb to see them for the con artists they actually are.

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Anonymous wrote:Something tells me this morning's twitter distractions are to deflect from this tax proposal crashing and burning like everything else with Trump's fingerprints. Or maybe it's 4D chess to distract media from Pence ramming it thru?

How is it crashing and burning?

Anonymous wrote:Something tells me this morning's twitter distractions are to deflect from this tax proposal crashing and burning like everything else with Trump's fingerprints. Or maybe it's 4D chess to distract media from Pence ramming it thru?

In fact, the GOP bill is one of the least popular tax plans since Ronald Reagan’s day.
About a third of voters currently support the Republican tax reform package, according to an average of five surveys released1 this month. In a Quinnipiac University survey, just 25 percent of voters approved of the plan. Surveys from ABC News/Washington Post, CNN, Morning Consult and YouGov put approval of the plan slightly higher, but all are still at 36 percent or lower. Meanwhile, an average of the five polls puts opposition at 46 percent.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no anti-deficit faction in the Senate. The deficit is just something Senators cluck about when the other side is in control.

Deficit will surely come up when they refuse to Renew the CHIP program

Well screw those kids! They should get a better job!

The ACA has legal presence as a qualifier so there's a long list of people in categories that are non citizens who can get CHIP including the Obama minors. https://www.nilc.org/issues/health-care/lawfullypresent/

Many states have already run out of federal CHIP funds and are awaiting Congress...

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't think it would. I didn't think we'd have a shutdown, either.

Da**it. Car just broke down, just replaced two appliances in the kitchen. This is a bad time for a shutdown for us. At least we've already finished the Christmas shopping.

But don't you get back pay for the days you were off? My friend told me she's looking forward to a vacation.

Congress needs to decide if federal employees get back pay. They always have in the past - but who knows. Federal contractors do not get back pay as far as I understand.

Nope, we can only PTO or if you have none, you get no pay.

That's not what I heard. You always get paid (just with a delay). But ultimately, you lose no money - and get a paid vacation. As I said, my friend is hoping for it.

That’s great that your friend has cash to live off of indefinitely while waiting for that backpay. That’s not the case for most federal workers who need their paychecks to pay their bills and put food on the table. Your friend is selfish and insensitive.

And no, there is no guarantee that they will get backpay. They have in the past, but we have never had this polical climate. DH is still waiting for thousands of dollars in overtime pay for helping with the hurricane response. Beginning to think we will never see that money.

That's why people should have an emergency savings account, and there's no excuse why government workers - with an average individual salary of $80,000 - shouldn't have put at least a few weeks' expenses away in the case of a govt shutdown. Those of us in the private industry who have been laid off or furloughed many times, and never with back pay, may find it hard to sympathize.

The only ones I do feel sorry for are the GS3s and 4s, but these highly paid workers....no excuse. When we had the last govt shutdown, the WaPo ran a story about a "poor" fed, earning around $100,000, who was crying how she couldn't pay her bills if she missed a paycheck, even temporarily, and would have to cancel her trip to Prague. I thought.....wth...why did you schedule a trip to Prauge when you have NO emergency sayings and you work for the govt, where a govt shutdown is always a possibility? People who earn middle class incomes and can't afford to miss a paycheck are living beyond their means.

P.S. I was laid off when I was earning $75,000, and it took me more than 6 months to find a new job. I didn't run into trouble because I had an emergency savings account in case I got laid off, as happens in private industry. I sacrificed to build up that account but I manages to do it.

Good grief. You are severely out if touch. Everyone would like to have an emergency fund that would get them by indefinitely. It’s just not possibly for everyone and there are MANY factors other than salary such as health expenses, number of kids, student loans/debt, single parents, etc. And surely you realize that $80K does not get you very far in DC.

DP. This is the attitude that Americans abhor! No you aren’t going to own a house in the Ws on $80 grand but, you can live further out or rent and request a CoSA. Go to the various clinics or CVS. Take public transportation. Cook at home regularly. Go to Goodwill, Salvation Army or any thrift shop. Start an Etsy business. Be in control of your crappy attitude. $80 grand is a gewt deal to most Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't think it would. I didn't think we'd have a shutdown, either.

Da**it. Car just broke down, just replaced two appliances in the kitchen. This is a bad time for a shutdown for us. At least we've already finished the Christmas shopping.

But don't you get back pay for the days you were off? My friend told me she's looking forward to a vacation.

Congress needs to decide if federal employees get back pay. They always have in the past - but who knows. Federal contractors do not get back pay as far as I understand.

Nope, we can only PTO or if you have none, you get no pay.

That's not what I heard. You always get paid (just with a delay). But ultimately, you lose no money - and get a paid vacation. As I said, my friend is hoping for it.

That’s great that your friend has cash to live off of indefinitely while waiting for that backpay. That’s not the case for most federal workers who need their paychecks to pay their bills and put food on the table. Your friend is selfish and insensitive.

And no, there is no guarantee that they will get backpay. They have in the past, but we have never had this polical climate. DH is still waiting for thousands of dollars in overtime pay for helping with the hurricane response. Beginning to think we will never see that money.

That's why people should have an emergency savings account, and there's no excuse why government workers - with an average individual salary of $80,000 - shouldn't have put at least a few weeks' expenses away in the case of a govt shutdown. Those of us in the private industry who have been laid off or furloughed many times, and never with back pay, may find it hard to sympathize.

The only ones I do feel sorry for are the GS3s and 4s, but these highly paid workers....no excuse. When we had the last govt shutdown, the WaPo ran a story about a "poor" fed, earning around $100,000, who was crying how she couldn't pay her bills if she missed a paycheck, even temporarily, and would have to cancel her trip to Prague. I thought.....wth...why did you schedule a trip to Prauge when you have NO emergency sayings and you work for the govt, where a govt shutdown is always a possibility? People who earn middle class incomes and can't afford to miss a paycheck are living beyond their means.

P.S. I was laid off when I was earning $75,000, and it took me more than 6 months to find a new job. I didn't run into trouble because I had an emergency savings account in case I got laid off, as happens in private industry. I sacrificed to build up that account but I manages to do it.

Good grief. You are severely out if touch. Everyone would like to have an emergency fund that would get them by indefinitely. It’s just not possibly for everyone and there are MANY factors other than salary such as health expenses, number of kids, student loans/debt, single parents, etc. And surely you realize that $80K does not get you very far in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't think it would. I didn't think we'd have a shutdown, either.

Da**it. Car just broke down, just replaced two appliances in the kitchen. This is a bad time for a shutdown for us. At least we've already finished the Christmas shopping.

But don't you get back pay for the days you were off? My friend told me she's looking forward to a vacation.

Congress needs to decide if federal employees get back pay. They always have in the past - but who knows. Federal contractors do not get back pay as far as I understand.

Nope, we can only PTO or if you have none, you get no pay.

That's not what I heard. You always get paid (just with a delay). But ultimately, you lose no money - and get a paid vacation. As I said, my friend is hoping for it.

That’s great that your friend has cash to live off of indefinitely while waiting for that backpay. That’s not the case for most federal workers who need their paychecks to pay their bills and put food on the table. Your friend is selfish and insensitive.

And no, there is no guarantee that they will get backpay. They have in the past, but we have never had this polical climate. DH is still waiting for thousands of dollars in overtime pay for helping with the hurricane response. Beginning to think we will never see that money.

That's why people should have an emergency savings account, and there's no excuse why government workers - with an average individual salary of $80,000 - shouldn't have put at least a few weeks' expenses away in the case of a govt shutdown. Those of us in the private industry who have been laid off or furloughed many times, and never with back pay, may find it hard to sympathize.

The only ones I do feel sorry for are the GS3s and 4s, but these highly paid workers....no excuse. When we had the last govt shutdown, the WaPo ran a story about a "poor" fed, earning around $100,000, who was crying how she couldn't pay her bills if she missed a paycheck, even temporarily, and would have to cancel her trip to Prague. I thought.....wth...why did you schedule a trip to Prauge when you have NO emergency sayings and you work for the govt, where a govt shutdown is always a possibility? People who earn middle class incomes and can't afford to miss a paycheck are living beyond their means.

P.S. I was laid off when I was earning $75,000, and it took me more than 6 months to find a new job. I didn't run into trouble because I had an emergency savings account in case I got laid off, as happens in private industry. I sacrificed to build up that account but I manages to do it.

Good grief. You are severely out if touch. Everyone would like to have an emergency fund that would get them by indefinitely. It’s just not possibly for everyone and there are MANY factors other than salary such as health expenses, number of kids, student loans/debt, single parents, etc. And surely you realize that $80K does not get you very far in DC.