Anonymous
08/15/2017 23:14
Subject: DD is half Asian, half white. Is one better to declare for college applications?
Anonymous wrote:TJ parent of a white kid. Choose white or mixed/ other.
Asian kids are absolutely held to higher GPA/ SAT standards because of quotas. Especially at higher ranked colleges, and especially in STEM.
Look at the admission stats/ class composition for Cal Tech (which by law is race blind) and MIT. Similar rankings.
Cal Tech is 42% Asian and 29% white.
https://www.registrar.caltech.edu/academics/enrollment
MIT, which s "holistic" and not race blind is 35% white and 26% Asian.
So unless admissions are race blind-- not Asian.
https://www.registrar.caltech.edu/academics/enrollment
Or there are more Asians in California...
Anonymous
08/15/2017 23:10
Subject: Re:DD is half Asian, half white. Is one better to declare for college applications?
This thread should be closed. The level of bigotry has ascended to unacceptable levels. We are surely better as a society than what these anti-Asian posters portray
Anonymous
08/15/2017 23:06
Subject: Re:DD is half Asian, half white. Is one better to declare for college applications?
Anonymous wrote:MIT, like all elite colleges, wants people who can contribute to the community more so that academic single-focus people. Those single-focus academics, if they can truly survive getting a bachelors degree at any college, will show up in graduate school.
Note: Things like National Science Fair or Math or Physics Olympiad medal will contribute to the Quantitative score, but not as a bonus point. So, an International Physics Olympiad gold medal winner could be a 10,5. Quantitatively excellent but barely a human being. MIT may not accept that person as a freshman and wait for that person to re-apply as a graduate student years later. MIT is very cognizant of the Qualitative score because high numbers there, especially with bonus points, mean the person has a high likelihood of surviving MIT's intense academic fire hose without getting overly depressed or spiraling away.
I hope that helps to make people aware that the elite universities are looking for human beings who can do the academic work and contribute to the community and not academic automatons.
http://time.com/3767996/how-mit-rates-applicants/
This is why Asians don't get accepted despite their academics. They don't have anything else to offer.
Did you enjoy your time in Charlottesville?
Anonymous
08/15/2017 21:53
Subject: Re:DD is half Asian, half white. Is one better to declare for college applications?
MIT, like all elite colleges, wants people who can contribute to the community more so that academic single-focus people. Those single-focus academics, if they can truly survive getting a bachelors degree at any college, will show up in graduate school.
Note: Things like National Science Fair or Math or Physics Olympiad medal will contribute to the Quantitative score, but not as a bonus point. So, an International Physics Olympiad gold medal winner could be a 10,5. Quantitatively excellent but barely a human being. MIT may not accept that person as a freshman and wait for that person to re-apply as a graduate student years later. MIT is very cognizant of the Qualitative score because high numbers there, especially with bonus points, mean the person has a high likelihood of surviving MIT's intense academic fire hose without getting overly depressed or spiraling away.
I hope that helps to make people aware that the elite universities are looking for human beings who can do the academic work and contribute to the community and not academic automatons.
http://time.com/3767996/how-mit-rates-applicants/
This is why Asians don't get accepted despite their academics. They don't have anything else to offer.
Note: Things like National Science Fair or Math or Physics Olympiad medal will contribute to the Quantitative score, but not as a bonus point. So, an International Physics Olympiad gold medal winner could be a 10,5. Quantitatively excellent but barely a human being. MIT may not accept that person as a freshman and wait for that person to re-apply as a graduate student years later. MIT is very cognizant of the Qualitative score because high numbers there, especially with bonus points, mean the person has a high likelihood of surviving MIT's intense academic fire hose without getting overly depressed or spiraling away.
I hope that helps to make people aware that the elite universities are looking for human beings who can do the academic work and contribute to the community and not academic automatons.
http://time.com/3767996/how-mit-rates-applicants/
This is why Asians don't get accepted despite their academics. They don't have anything else to offer.
Anonymous
08/15/2017 21:44
Subject: DD is half Asian, half white. Is one better to declare for college applications?
Often mixed is not an option. MCPS does not let you say Mixed on their application.
I agree with the PP. see what the school's racial content looks like. If it's very White, pick asian. If it's highly Asian, pick White.
It's not lying if your kid is both!
My kid is also half Asian and half White. I lean towards White for the college applications since Asians are often discriminated against in this arena.
I agree with the PP. see what the school's racial content looks like. If it's very White, pick asian. If it's highly Asian, pick White.
It's not lying if your kid is both!
My kid is also half Asian and half White. I lean towards White for the college applications since Asians are often discriminated against in this arena.
Anonymous
08/15/2017 20:07
Subject: Re:DD is half Asian, half white. Is one better to declare for college applications?
So this is where this debate is...on one hand saying it should be more than about test scores and grades and turn right around and say it's too hard.
Anonymous
08/15/2017 19:45
Subject: DD is half Asian, half white. Is one better to declare for college applications?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This makes me so incredibly sad. I'm mixed race/AA and have yet to "enjoy" any of the school or employment advantages that people think minorities get (but don't deserve). Instead, I worked my rear off to show guidance counselors that I was college material, to impress professors who looked right past my raised hand, and to prove to hiring committes that I was the best fit. And you folks are seriously worried about how to hide your kids are half-Asian...
I have seen it all.
Not saying it's not tough to be AA, but stats do show that the system is stacked against asians for colleges. You can't deny that AA (and whites) don't have to score as high as Asians to get into top schools.
But grades and test scores are only one part of the application process. Putting too much time and effort into grades and scores can have the effect of taking away time for other experiences that help a kid to grow and develop as a person.
You know the best way to be prepared for the SAT is being a reader of good books. Sounds like a habit that would serve well for a lifetime of growth and development. And learning to dig deep and truly understand your academic topics doesn't strike me as shabby either. Nor do these activities preclude one from having the time for music, sports, art and friends. Your statement sounds defensive.
Sorry, it looks like there's a misunderstanding of the quote above. The point is that any study that only looks at grades and test scores is a study that is only looking at part of the total equation. An applicant to a top college needs to present with a combination of academic and non-academic qualifications. A study that only looks at academics is missing an important part of the application.
There are schools that look at only grades and test scores, but they tend to be the second tier schools, which are most likely not the ones being discussed here. The top colleges are looking for students who are highly accomplished in both academic and non-academic pursuits. A kid who is relying solely on grades and test scores, no matter how high those numbers are, will end up missing out if she is not also highly accomplished in a non-academic interest or two. Top colleges are looking for kids who can do a lot of different things really well at the same time and who will participate in and contribute to the life of the community on campus.
I agree tha top colleges should be looking for the whole package. The issue is that there is bias thinking that Asian applicants only have high grades and test scores whereas in fact top asian applicants also have the whole package.
It's difficult to know which students have the whole package without reading every application and being present for every interview. It is easy peasy to rack and stack test scores and grades, much more of a project for someone without admissions experience to judge other qualities without any context to place them in, in terms of the school's needs for any particular year.
Anonymous
08/15/2017 19:15
Subject: DD is half Asian, half white. Is one better to declare for college applications?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This makes me so incredibly sad. I'm mixed race/AA and have yet to "enjoy" any of the school or employment advantages that people think minorities get (but don't deserve). Instead, I worked my rear off to show guidance counselors that I was college material, to impress professors who looked right past my raised hand, and to prove to hiring committes that I was the best fit. And you folks are seriously worried about how to hide your kids are half-Asian...
I have seen it all.
Not saying it's not tough to be AA, but stats do show that the system is stacked against asians for colleges. You can't deny that AA (and whites) don't have to score as high as Asians to get into top schools.
But grades and test scores are only one part of the application process. Putting too much time and effort into grades and scores can have the effect of taking away time for other experiences that help a kid to grow and develop as a person.
You know the best way to be prepared for the SAT is being a reader of good books. Sounds like a habit that would serve well for a lifetime of growth and development. And learning to dig deep and truly understand your academic topics doesn't strike me as shabby either. Nor do these activities preclude one from having the time for music, sports, art and friends. Your statement sounds defensive.
Sorry, it looks like there's a misunderstanding of the quote above. The point is that any study that only looks at grades and test scores is a study that is only looking at part of the total equation. An applicant to a top college needs to present with a combination of academic and non-academic qualifications. A study that only looks at academics is missing an important part of the application.
There are schools that look at only grades and test scores, but they tend to be the second tier schools, which are most likely not the ones being discussed here. The top colleges are looking for students who are highly accomplished in both academic and non-academic pursuits. A kid who is relying solely on grades and test scores, no matter how high those numbers are, will end up missing out if she is not also highly accomplished in a non-academic interest or two. Top colleges are looking for kids who can do a lot of different things really well at the same time and who will participate in and contribute to the life of the community on campus.
I agree tha top colleges should be looking for the whole package. The issue is that there is bias thinking that Asian applicants only have high grades and test scores whereas in fact top asian applicants also have the whole package.
Anonymous
08/15/2017 19:00
Subject: DD is half Asian, half white. Is one better to declare for college applications?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This makes me so incredibly sad. I'm mixed race/AA and have yet to "enjoy" any of the school or employment advantages that people think minorities get (but don't deserve). Instead, I worked my rear off to show guidance counselors that I was college material, to impress professors who looked right past my raised hand, and to prove to hiring committes that I was the best fit. And you folks are seriously worried about how to hide your kids are half-Asian...
I have seen it all.
Not saying it's not tough to be AA, but stats do show that the system is stacked against asians for colleges. You can't deny that AA (and whites) don't have to score as high as Asians to get into top schools.
But grades and test scores are only one part of the application process. Putting too much time and effort into grades and scores can have the effect of taking away time for other experiences that help a kid to grow and develop as a person.
You know the best way to be prepared for the SAT is being a reader of good books. Sounds like a habit that would serve well for a lifetime of growth and development. And learning to dig deep and truly understand your academic topics doesn't strike me as shabby either. Nor do these activities preclude one from having the time for music, sports, art and friends. Your statement sounds defensive.
Sorry, it looks like there's a misunderstanding of the quote above. The point is that any study that only looks at grades and test scores is a study that is only looking at part of the total equation. An applicant to a top college needs to present with a combination of academic and non-academic qualifications. A study that only looks at academics is missing an important part of the application.
There are schools that look at only grades and test scores, but they tend to be the second tier schools, which are most likely not the ones being discussed here. The top colleges are looking for students who are highly accomplished in both academic and non-academic pursuits. A kid who is relying solely on grades and test scores, no matter how high those numbers are, will end up missing out if she is not also highly accomplished in a non-academic interest or two. Top colleges are looking for kids who can do a lot of different things really well at the same time and who will participate in and contribute to the life of the community on campus.
Yes, and the biggest people complaining about this are white applicants. They feel that only test scores and grades should be looked at to keep black and Latino applicants out of colleges, but they think that too much value is placed on Asian candidates test scores and grades that keep them out of colleges. It's an amazing hypocrisy that white students feel aggrieved at both ends for opposite reasons. Basically they want preferential treatment only where it benefits them.
Anyone (of any race)who thinks top colleges are looking only at test scores and grades for admissions is seriously misinformed. High level schools see themselves as producers of leaders, not just scholars, so they expect applicants to have much more to offer than only their academic accomplishments.
Students who want to be judged on only test scores and grades need to be looking at the large state schools, not the top 25 or 30 schools.
Anonymous
08/15/2017 18:32
Subject: DD is half Asian, half white. Is one better to declare for college applications?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This makes me so incredibly sad. I'm mixed race/AA and have yet to "enjoy" any of the school or employment advantages that people think minorities get (but don't deserve). Instead, I worked my rear off to show guidance counselors that I was college material, to impress professors who looked right past my raised hand, and to prove to hiring committes that I was the best fit. And you folks are seriously worried about how to hide your kids are half-Asian...
I have seen it all.
Not saying it's not tough to be AA, but stats do show that the system is stacked against asians for colleges. You can't deny that AA (and whites) don't have to score as high as Asians to get into top schools.
But grades and test scores are only one part of the application process. Putting too much time and effort into grades and scores can have the effect of taking away time for other experiences that help a kid to grow and develop as a person.
You know the best way to be prepared for the SAT is being a reader of good books. Sounds like a habit that would serve well for a lifetime of growth and development. And learning to dig deep and truly understand your academic topics doesn't strike me as shabby either. Nor do these activities preclude one from having the time for music, sports, art and friends. Your statement sounds defensive.
Sorry, it looks like there's a misunderstanding of the quote above. The point is that any study that only looks at grades and test scores is a study that is only looking at part of the total equation. An applicant to a top college needs to present with a combination of academic and non-academic qualifications. A study that only looks at academics is missing an important part of the application.
There are schools that look at only grades and test scores, but they tend to be the second tier schools, which are most likely not the ones being discussed here. The top colleges are looking for students who are highly accomplished in both academic and non-academic pursuits. A kid who is relying solely on grades and test scores, no matter how high those numbers are, will end up missing out if she is not also highly accomplished in a non-academic interest or two. Top colleges are looking for kids who can do a lot of different things really well at the same time and who will participate in and contribute to the life of the community on campus.
Yes, and the biggest people complaining about this are white applicants. They feel that only test scores and grades should be looked at to keep black and Latino applicants out of colleges, but they think that too much value is placed on Asian candidates test scores and grades that keep them out of colleges. It's an amazing hypocrisy that white students feel aggrieved at both ends for opposite reasons. Basically they want preferential treatment only where it benefits them.
Ugh...an incorrect antecedent. Sorry about that. It should be:
...but they think that too much value is placed on Asian candidates test scores and grades that keep the white candidates out of colleges.
Anonymous
08/15/2017 18:10
Subject: DD is half Asian, half white. Is one better to declare for college applications?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This makes me so incredibly sad. I'm mixed race/AA and have yet to "enjoy" any of the school or employment advantages that people think minorities get (but don't deserve). Instead, I worked my rear off to show guidance counselors that I was college material, to impress professors who looked right past my raised hand, and to prove to hiring committes that I was the best fit. And you folks are seriously worried about how to hide your kids are half-Asian...
I have seen it all.
Not saying it's not tough to be AA, but stats do show that the system is stacked against asians for colleges. You can't deny that AA (and whites) don't have to score as high as Asians to get into top schools.
But grades and test scores are only one part of the application process. Putting too much time and effort into grades and scores can have the effect of taking away time for other experiences that help a kid to grow and develop as a person.
You know the best way to be prepared for the SAT is being a reader of good books. Sounds like a habit that would serve well for a lifetime of growth and development. And learning to dig deep and truly understand your academic topics doesn't strike me as shabby either. Nor do these activities preclude one from having the time for music, sports, art and friends. Your statement sounds defensive.
Sorry, it looks like there's a misunderstanding of the quote above. The point is that any study that only looks at grades and test scores is a study that is only looking at part of the total equation. An applicant to a top college needs to present with a combination of academic and non-academic qualifications. A study that only looks at academics is missing an important part of the application.
There are schools that look at only grades and test scores, but they tend to be the second tier schools, which are most likely not the ones being discussed here. The top colleges are looking for students who are highly accomplished in both academic and non-academic pursuits. A kid who is relying solely on grades and test scores, no matter how high those numbers are, will end up missing out if she is not also highly accomplished in a non-academic interest or two. Top colleges are looking for kids who can do a lot of different things really well at the same time and who will participate in and contribute to the life of the community on campus.
Yes, and the biggest people complaining about this are white applicants. They feel that only test scores and grades should be looked at to keep black and Latino applicants out of colleges, but they think that too much value is placed on Asian candidates test scores and grades that keep them out of colleges. It's an amazing hypocrisy that white students feel aggrieved at both ends for opposite reasons. Basically they want preferential treatment only where it benefits them.
Anonymous
08/15/2017 17:50
Subject: DD is half Asian, half white. Is one better to declare for college applications?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This makes me so incredibly sad. I'm mixed race/AA and have yet to "enjoy" any of the school or employment advantages that people think minorities get (but don't deserve). Instead, I worked my rear off to show guidance counselors that I was college material, to impress professors who looked right past my raised hand, and to prove to hiring committes that I was the best fit. And you folks are seriously worried about how to hide your kids are half-Asian...
I have seen it all.
Not saying it's not tough to be AA, but stats do show that the system is stacked against asians for colleges. You can't deny that AA (and whites) don't have to score as high as Asians to get into top schools.
But grades and test scores are only one part of the application process. Putting too much time and effort into grades and scores can have the effect of taking away time for other experiences that help a kid to grow and develop as a person.
You know the best way to be prepared for the SAT is being a reader of good books. Sounds like a habit that would serve well for a lifetime of growth and development. And learning to dig deep and truly understand your academic topics doesn't strike me as shabby either. Nor do these activities preclude one from having the time for music, sports, art and friends. Your statement sounds defensive.
Sorry, it looks like there's a misunderstanding of the quote above. The point is that any study that only looks at grades and test scores is a study that is only looking at part of the total equation. An applicant to a top college needs to present with a combination of academic and non-academic qualifications. A study that only looks at academics is missing an important part of the application.
There are schools that look at only grades and test scores, but they tend to be the second tier schools, which are most likely not the ones being discussed here. The top colleges are looking for students who are highly accomplished in both academic and non-academic pursuits. A kid who is relying solely on grades and test scores, no matter how high those numbers are, will end up missing out if she is not also highly accomplished in a non-academic interest or two. Top colleges are looking for kids who can do a lot of different things really well at the same time and who will participate in and contribute to the life of the community on campus.
Anonymous
08/15/2017 17:32
Subject: DD is half Asian, half white. Is one better to declare for college applications?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This makes me so incredibly sad. I'm mixed race/AA and have yet to "enjoy" any of the school or employment advantages that people think minorities get (but don't deserve). Instead, I worked my rear off to show guidance counselors that I was college material, to impress professors who looked right past my raised hand, and to prove to hiring committes that I was the best fit. And you folks are seriously worried about how to hide your kids are half-Asian...
I have seen it all.
Not saying it's not tough to be AA, but stats do show that the system is stacked against asians for colleges. You can't deny that AA (and whites) don't have to score as high as Asians to get into top schools.
But grades and test scores are only one part of the application process. Putting too much time and effort into grades and scores can have the effect of taking away time for other experiences that help a kid to grow and develop as a person.
You know the best way to be prepared for the SAT is being a reader of good books. Sounds like a habit that would serve well for a lifetime of growth and development. And learning to dig deep and truly understand your academic topics doesn't strike me as shabby either. Nor do these activities preclude one from having the time for music, sports, art and friends. Your statement sounds defensive.
Anonymous
08/15/2017 16:02
Subject: DD is half Asian, half white. Is one better to declare for college applications?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This makes me so incredibly sad. I'm mixed race/AA and have yet to "enjoy" any of the school or employment advantages that people think minorities get (but don't deserve). Instead, I worked my rear off to show guidance counselors that I was college material, to impress professors who looked right past my raised hand, and to prove to hiring committes that I was the best fit. And you folks are seriously worried about how to hide your kids are half-Asian...
I have seen it all.
Not saying it's not tough to be AA, but stats do show that the system is stacked against asians for colleges. You can't deny that AA (and whites) don't have to score as high as Asians to get into top schools.
But grades and test scores are only one part of the application process. Putting too much time and effort into grades and scores can have the effect of taking away time for other experiences that help a kid to grow and develop as a person.
Tell that to the Trump administration and those who complain about how a black student doesn't have to score as high as a white student to get in. This argument of "holistic" approaches only seems to be used when talking about white vs asian, but some white people don't want to apply the same holistic approach to black/hispanic.
Anonymous
08/15/2017 15:49
Subject: DD is half Asian, half white. Is one better to declare for college applications?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This makes me so incredibly sad. I'm mixed race/AA and have yet to "enjoy" any of the school or employment advantages that people think minorities get (but don't deserve). Instead, I worked my rear off to show guidance counselors that I was college material, to impress professors who looked right past my raised hand, and to prove to hiring committes that I was the best fit. And you folks are seriously worried about how to hide your kids are half-Asian...
I have seen it all.
Not saying it's not tough to be AA, but stats do show that the system is stacked against asians for colleges. You can't deny that AA (and whites) don't have to score as high as Asians to get into top schools.
But grades and test scores are only one part of the application process. Putting too much time and effort into grades and scores can have the effect of taking away time for other experiences that help a kid to grow and develop as a person.
People can chant "Asians ONLY have high GPA and SAT scores", "They are robots only good at taking tests" etc. until the cows come home but that doesn't make the statement true or less racist. Learn something from the racist attitudes arising from UVA/Charlottesville.