I understand affirmative action for AAs. After all, this country was founded on the backs of slaves. Why are Hispanics given a preference though especially when the Hispanic category is so vague and broad?

let me add so you can understand

There are easily 3000 white and Asian students across the country who are better than 250 of the 300 black students at Harvard and deserve a spot over them

False. By whose standards? Certainly not Harvard's.

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Anonymous wrote:let me add so you can understand

There are easily 3000 white and Asian students across the country who are better than 250 of the 300 black students at Harvard and deserve a spot over them

It is so amazing how the default is always to assume that all blacks are poor and lack intelligence when the reality is that blacks are as diverse as any racial group in terms intellect, SES and values. Having less melanin or being from Asia does not inherently make an individual more intelligent or have better values. Seeing this post just reminds me how racist and dumb people on DCUM are.

White elitists need to believe the lie that they are entitled to say on top

Who's saying this?

Did you read the thread? There are easily 3000 whites and asians better than the 250 blacks admitted? What could this poster have possibly based that statement on? Better in what way? Are you being purposefully obtuse?

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever happened to MLK's "content of their character..." when it comes to College Admission? Why can't race be blind on a resume, just like it is on job applications?

I don't think he was ever in charge of college admissions, so there's that. Also, lol to race blind job applications. I'm so done listening to white people whine about efforts to level the playing field in a system that they rigged for centuries, and expect us to think you've done your due diligence in a single generation. Done. My mother couldn't drink at the same water fountains as some of you fools. I'm under 30. It hasn't been long enough for you to pat your selves on the back and called it square.

There is still a massive discrepancy in the quality of education and enrichment that many minority children have access to compared to your lily white snowflakes. So sorry to break it to you, but the black kid you think stole your kid's seat because he scored 100 points lower? That kid is a fighter. He ran the same race as your kid, except he had a handicap, and your kid had wheels, and in the end your kid barely beat him. Yes he deserves the spot. That black kid has the abilities coupled with a drive to change the world. He'll give back to his community and to the university. Your kid may do that same things, but white men have always had their chance. It's time for everyone else to have theirs too.

Ah, yes. Those black kids growing up in 1.5 million dollar houses and going to Sidwell/Maret/etc.- such fighters. Such handicaps. I'm so glad they will finally have their chance.

Do you know why there are black kids growing up in those million dollar homes? Because affirmative action programs gave their parents a shot even though they may not have had perfect scores of their better prepared white peers. Save it.

Holy hell. You are saying wealthy, successful black people got that way because of affirmative action? That's just downright offensive.

How is that offensive? I don't think affirmative action works the way many of you believe it does. AA made it so that schools had to be willing to make some effort to increase diversity in their student populations. Throughout most of American history. Given the choice between a white person and a black person of equal intellect and ability, the white person was chosen. AA gave more black people a chance, and many have succeeded as a result. And now they are raising their kids in million dollar homes. It's not offensive, it's progress. White people will always preserve their advantages until forced to give them up, as evidenced by this thread. Affirmative action is absolutely still necessary to level the playing field. Not simply on an individual level, but as far as the entire population is concerned. As black people become more educated, we are able to get better jobs. We are able to provide better opportunities for our children and we are able to take an active role in their education rather than working 3 jobs just to feed them. The idea is that in time the achievement gap will decrease, and these programs won't be necessary. Just because in this one instance in your life you don't have the advantage doesn't mean it's wrong or unnecessary. It should not be the sole burden of the black population to bear the consequences of the system of oppression this country as founded upon.

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Anonymous wrote:let me add so you can understand

There are easily 3000 white and Asian students across the country who are better than 250 of the 300 black students at Harvard and deserve a spot over them

It is so amazing how the default is always to assume that all blacks are poor and lack intelligence when the reality is that blacks are as diverse as any racial group in terms intellect, SES and values. Having less melanin or being from Asia does not inherently make an individual more intelligent or have better values. Seeing this post just reminds me how racist and dumb people on DCUM are.

White elitists need to believe the lie that they are entitled to say on top

Who's saying this?

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Anonymous wrote:let me add so you can understand

There are easily 3000 white and Asian students across the country who are better than 250 of the 300 black students at Harvard and deserve a spot over them

It is so amazing how the default is always to assume that all blacks are poor and lack intelligence when the reality is that blacks are as diverse as any racial group in terms intellect, SES and values. Having less melanin or being from Asia does not inherently make an individual more intelligent or have better values. Seeing this post just reminds me how racist and dumb people on DCUM are.

White elitists need to believe the lie that they are entitled to say on top

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Anonymous wrote:let me add so you can understand

There are easily 3000 white and Asian students across the country who are better than 250 of the 300 black students at Harvard and deserve a spot over them

It is so amazing how the default is always to assume that all blacks are poor and lack intelligence when the reality is that blacks are as diverse as any racial group in terms intellect, SES and values. Having less melanin or being from Asia does not inherently make an individual more intelligent or have better values. Seeing this post just reminds me how racist and dumb people on DCUM are.

Preach. Also amazing to me is the blistering white hot resentment at the merest sliver of advantage given to a black kid.

You consider a 250 point handicap on SATs a "sliver" of an advantage?

I don't really care about SATs or think that your kid's hothoused scores give him some
manifest destiny right to the college of his choice. When you accept that your average white kid is average, you'll be happier.

You seem a bit dense and your opinion of SATs is irrelevant. Until colleges eliminate standardized test scores from their admissions formula they will remain an important variable. The issue isn't some mythically gifted black kid displacing an average white kid. The issue is a white kid with 1600 being evaluated on par with a black kid scoring 1350.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever happened to MLK's "content of their character..." when it comes to College Admission? Why can't race be blind on a resume, just like it is on job applications?

I don't think he was ever in charge of college admissions, so there's that. Also, lol to race blind job applications. I'm so done listening to white people whine about efforts to level the playing field in a system that they rigged for centuries, and expect us to think you've done your due diligence in a single generation. Done. My mother couldn't drink at the same water fountains as some of you fools. I'm under 30. It hasn't been long enough for you to pat your selves on the back and called it square.

There is still a massive discrepancy in the quality of education and enrichment that many minority children have access to compared to your lily white snowflakes. So sorry to break it to you, but the black kid you think stole your kid's seat because he scored 100 points lower? That kid is a fighter. He ran the same race as your kid, except he had a handicap, and your kid had wheels, and in the end your kid barely beat him. Yes he deserves the spot. That black kid has the abilities coupled with a drive to change the world. He'll give back to his community and to the university. Your kid may do that same things, but white men have always had their chance. It's time for everyone else to have theirs too.

There you go again generalizing. Many of these so called "snowflakes" come from broken homes, work several jobs and go hungry because there is no money to feed them. Whatever happened to the words "walk a mile in their shoes..." theory?

Well, the data shows that poor White kids do just fine in the Ivy admissions process. Better than higher SES Whites in fact.

Define "poor." The median family income for kids going to Harvard is $168,000, and only 4.5% have a family income in the bottom 20%. 15% of students have a family income over $630,000 per year. There just aren't that many scrappy poor kids going to Harvard, irrespective of race.

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2017/1/25/harvard-income-percentile/

I think that's has a lot to do with self selection. A lot of poor families don't apply to ivy leagues

http://www.npr.org/2015/03/16/393339590/why-many-smart-low-income-students-dont-apply-to-elite-schools

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Anonymous wrote:let me add so you can understand

There are easily 3000 white and Asian students across the country who are better than 250 of the 300 black students at Harvard and deserve a spot over them

It is so amazing how the default is always to assume that all blacks are poor and lack intelligence when the reality is that blacks are as diverse as any racial group in terms intellect, SES and values. Having less melanin or being from Asia does not inherently make an individual more intelligent or have better values. Seeing this post just reminds me how racist and dumb people on DCUM are.

Preach. Also amazing to me is the blistering white hot resentment at the merest sliver of advantage given to a black kid.

You consider a 250 point handicap on SATs a "sliver" of an advantage?

I don't really care about SATs or think that your kid's hothoused scores give him some
manifest destiny right to the college of his choice. When you accept that your average white kid is average, you'll be happier.

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Anonymous wrote:let me add so you can understand

There are easily 3000 white and Asian students across the country who are better than 250 of the 300 black students at Harvard and deserve a spot over them

It is so amazing how the default is always to assume that all blacks are poor and lack intelligence when the reality is that blacks are as diverse as any racial group in terms intellect, SES and values. Having less melanin or being from Asia does not inherently make an individual more intelligent or have better values. Seeing this post just reminds me how racist and dumb people on DCUM are.

Preach. Also amazing to me is the blistering white hot resentment at the merest sliver of advantage given to a black kid.

Alright, so if AA is "the merest sliver of advantage" why do we need it at all?

The point is you have tremendous advantage due to whiteness. A black kid getting into Harvard displacing an equally qualified (on paper)
kid who has to go to a different Ivy is not going to make me cry.

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Anonymous wrote:let me add so you can understand

There are easily 3000 white and Asian students across the country who are better than 250 of the 300 black students at Harvard and deserve a spot over them

It is so amazing how the default is always to assume that all blacks are poor and lack intelligence when the reality is that blacks are as diverse as any racial group in terms intellect, SES and values. Having less melanin or being from Asia does not inherently make an individual more intelligent or have better values. Seeing this post just reminds me how racist and dumb people on DCUM are.

Preach. Also amazing to me is the blistering white hot resentment at the merest sliver of advantage given to a black kid.

You consider a 250 point handicap on SATs a "sliver" of an advantage?

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Anonymous wrote:let me add so you can understand

There are easily 3000 white and Asian students across the country who are better than 250 of the 300 black students at Harvard and deserve a spot over them

It is so amazing how the default is always to assume that all blacks are poor and lack intelligence when the reality is that blacks are as diverse as any racial group in terms intellect, SES and values. Having less melanin or being from Asia does not inherently make an individual more intelligent or have better values. Seeing this post just reminds me how racist and dumb people on DCUM are.

Preach. Also amazing to me is the blistering white hot resentment at the merest sliver of advantage given to a black kid.

Alright, so if AA is "the merest sliver of advantage" why do we need it at all?

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Anonymous wrote:If there wasn't affirmative action for white people it would be 90% minority.

defend this. How do you figure?

NP It would look more like the California schools but not 90% Asian

California has a large population of Asians especially among "smart" cohort going to an elite school

vs the rest of the country which is still majority white especially at the "smart" cohort; in many places there are barely any asians at all

without Affirmative Action there would be barely any Hispanics or blacks at elite schools

So what percent are Asian at UC Berkeley now? Wouldn't Harvard look more like that in a fair, non "holistic" process?

More like that yes still Berkeley being in CA plays a role. If Berkeley was in another state the Asian stats would drop just like the Mexican stats would drop too

http://opa.berkeley.edu/uc-berkeley-fall-enrollment-data

Sidenote I will admit seeing an elite school with 20% Chinese makes me feel uncomfortable (I'm white)

Why does it make you uncomfortable? Because you're a racist?

Let me flip it how would you feel if it was 20% white american at an elite college in China

The majority of those kids are Chinese-Americans. In other words, Americans of Chinese descent.

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Anonymous wrote:If there wasn't affirmative action for white people it would be 90% minority.

defend this. How do you figure?

NP It would look more like the California schools but not 90% Asian

California has a large population of Asians especially among "smart" cohort going to an elite school

vs the rest of the country which is still majority white especially at the "smart" cohort; in many places there are barely any asians at all

without Affirmative Action there would be barely any Hispanics or blacks at elite schools

So what percent are Asian at UC Berkeley now? Wouldn't Harvard look more like that in a fair, non "holistic" process?

More like that yes still Berkeley being in CA plays a role. If Berkeley was in another state the Asian stats would drop just like the Mexican stats would drop too

http://opa.berkeley.edu/uc-berkeley-fall-enrollment-data

Sidenote I will admit seeing an elite school with 20% Chinese makes me feel uncomfortable (I'm white)

Why does it make you uncomfortable? Because you're a racist?

Let me flip it how would you feel if it was 20% white american at an elite college in China

^^^exactly! The so-called advantage is a crumb. White people making such a big deal of it doesn't help the situation at all. Why not focus on how f-ed up the entire process is and making it fair for everyone?