Because "Freedom."

::an eagle cries out somewhere in the distance::

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=32&t=6

According to EIA we still import about 25% of petroleum products. Which means our economy can still easily be held hostage but foreign entities.


Even if you're a hardcore Trump supporter and you dont believe in Climate change or the apparent effect of vehicular pollution it is still in our best interest economically, financially and regarding our security that we get out of OIL.

They don't care. They will burn down the country before they admit that liberal policies are good. Remember how a few decades ago, good conservatives could get behind cap and trade? Not anymore. It's heresy to admit that cutting back on fuel consumption, or even pollution, is a good thing.

I also remember a few decades ago when lib activists and scientists were telling everyone we were heading into another ice age. We were indoctrinated with that in grade school in the 70's. Everyone thought by 2000 we'd be living like Inuits, with glaciers everywhere, starving because we couldn't grow enough food because the world would be so cold by then.

It's the polar opposite (pun intended) of the nonsense being prattled about today.

Fool me once....

And I remember when more information came to light thanks to continued scientific research, the model changed to reflect our improved understanding of the issue. Unlike what conservatives would have done, the "lib activists and scientists " didn't dig in their heels and continue to insist on the threat of a looming ice age despite the new evidence.

Anonymous wrote:Electrical Engineer PP here, I wanted to add something.

To liberals, driving an electrical car is a cause for them - it's better for the environment, and etc. Republicans aren't driving gasonline cars because "f the environment", but rather it's not as significant of a cause. I agree about global warming and that humans have contributed significantly or even the majority of it. However, transportation is a small slice the greenhouse emissions source, and we have to be rational about the economic rewards we get by investing in greenhouse gas reduction.

Transportation and electricity generations are two top and equal reasons for greenhouse gases.

https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions

They don't believe in man made climate change.
They don't want big brother telling them what kind of car to drive.

Anonymous wrote:Do the Republicans on this thread who makes mind subsidizing the electric vehicle industry also mind subsidizing ethanol, fossil fuels, farming, and all the other industry giveaways we have?

I for one do mind subsidizing. The government should not be involved in tilting the balance of the market.

Electrical Engineer PP here, I wanted to add something.

To liberals, driving an electrical car is a cause for them - it's better for the environment, and etc. Republicans aren't driving gasonline cars because "f the environment", but rather it's not as significant of a cause. I agree about global warming and that humans have contributed significantly or even the majority of it. However, transportation is a small slice the greenhouse emissions source, and we have to be rational about the economic rewards we get by investing in greenhouse gas reduction.

Do the Republicans on this thread who makes mind subsidizing the electric vehicle industry also mind subsidizing ethanol, fossil fuels, farming, and all the other industry giveaways we have?

Anonymous wrote:I was all excited about the model 3 launch and was looking into booking it(even though the wait is 1.5 years maybe). Anyways, a co worker who is a hard core Trump supporter comes up to me and says that Tesla cars and electrics are a scam.

I dont understand why Republicans hate electric cars. Here are the facts.

1) Electric cars are faster than gasoline cars (Reseach ludicrous mode in model S)
2) We are not dependent on foreign oil
3) They are manufactured in Freemont CA, so jobs!
4) The batteries are made in NV so more jobs
5) The tax credits given for electric cars are nothing compared to the tax reliefs given to Oil companies.
6) Most people plug their car into the super charger for 15 mins and get about ~60 to 70% range(Almost like filling gas at a gas station)
7) You plug in your car at home and wake up every day to 200 miles plus of range.
8) They dont pollute and are smooth and fun to drive.

It boggles my mind when I hear another American not supporting this concept.

I am not sure that it's republicans who hate electric cars. I'm a republican and I think electric cars are a great idea. I'm an electrical engineer by training and while playing with hobby grade RC cars back in the 90s always wondered when the day would come for full size cars to go full electric. The Prius, while not a full electric car, was a veritable engineering marvel for its time and I believe demonstrated the feasibility for a battery pack driving electric motors to fully power a vehicle. Tesla as we know took the concept to the next level with the roadster, and then brought it to mass appeal with the Model S sedan.

I grew up as a car enthusiast in the 90s and this has affected me greatly in my preference for gasoline engine cars. I prefer the sound, the gears, the mechanical complexity, and etc. It's an irrational preference, I agree, so I don't have a rational basis for this preference. Gasoline engines have gotten more efficient and cleaner as they've evolved, and unlike some of my fellow car enthusiasts, I don't mind all of the emissions and efficiency regulations that have been put in place - engine choices have flourished despite of these additional constraints and I salute the collective ingenuity of the engineers that bring these magnificent creations into existence. I'm sure electric cars are just fine, and it's unmistakably where the automobile world is going. I applaud the progress, just let the archaic portion of my mind hang on a little longer to the old time sensations of driving a car where thousands of little explosions take place every minute.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know a republican with with a Tesla model 2. I never knew this was a partisan purchase.

What's the "model 2"?

Maybe model 2 isnt the right name, but not a brand new one and not the one that was initially released. I assumed it was a 2.

Model X? The SUV? Or the Model S? Sedan (after the Roadster).

Does it matter?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=32&t=6

According to EIA we still import about 25% of petroleum products. Which means our economy can still easily be held hostage but foreign entities.


Even if you're a hardcore Trump supporter and you dont believe in Climate change or the apparent effect of vehicular pollution it is still in our best interest economically, financially and regarding our security that we get out of OIL.

They don't care. They will burn down the country before they admit that liberal policies are good. Remember how a few decades ago, good conservatives could get behind cap and trade? Not anymore. It's heresy to admit that cutting back on fuel consumption, or even pollution, is a good thing.

I also remember a few decades ago when lib activists and scientists were telling everyone we were heading into another ice age. We were indoctrinated with that in grade school in the 70's. Everyone thought by 2000 we'd be living like Inuits, with glaciers everywhere, starving because we couldn't grow enough food because the world would be so cold by then.

It's the polar opposite (pun intended) of the nonsense being prattled about today.

Fool me once....

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was all excited about the model 3 launch and was looking into booking it(even though the wait is 1.5 years maybe). Anyways, a co worker who is a hard core Trump supporter comes up to me and says that Tesla cars and electrics are a scam.

I dont understand why Republicans hate electric cars. Here are the facts.

1) Electric cars are faster than gasoline cars (Reseach ludicrous mode in model S)
2) We are not dependent on foreign oil
3) They are manufactured in Freemont CA, so jobs!
4) The batteries are made in NV so more jobs
5) The tax credits given for electric cars are nothing compared to the tax reliefs given to Oil companies.
6) Most people plug their car into the super charger for 15 mins and get about ~60 to 70% range(Almost like filling gas at a gas station)
7) You plug in your car at home and wake up every day to 200 miles plus of range.
8) They dont pollute and are smooth and fun to drive.

It boggles my mind when I hear another American not supporting this concept.

Why do you start inane threads about Republicans hating....insert subject...based on such a limited discussion?

FYI, contractions require a ' so you spell don't rather than dont.

DP here. In my experience, dislike of electric cars is a pretty widespread sentiment on the right, and it appears to be based largely on the type of people perceived as supporting them.

Anonymous wrote:I am a Republican and I am not in favor of anything being shoved in my face, I think I deserve the right to choose. I see all electric, self driving cars as another means of control by the left. Not interested, over time I suspect electric cars will become the norm, and that is how it should be, over time. Not government mandated, it should be a result of freedom of choice. Also, I won't purchase anything made in CA until they come back from
"crazy ville" and that may never happen.

Who's forcing you to buy an electric car? Be specific.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Eh?

I didn't know that one guy represented all republicans.

I think Teslas are fine cars. I also do like Hybrids. We owned a Prius for a while and that thing was an engineering marvel for its time.

I don't think I'd ever buy a Tesla or a self driving car for that matter since I enjoy the way that gas powered vehicles drive, the noises they make, and overall the act of driving. I recognize that different people have different preferences, so to each their own.

I am also a huge fan of Elon Musk in general. He is my personal hero, along with Bill Gates.

Teslas along with Elon asshole Musk are jokes. I wonder how many people will rush to purchase these once the 7,500 tax break is gone. Not many, I'm sure.

Yes I’m sure that people buying $90k cars will stop once their $7500 tax break is gone.

Anonymous wrote:I was all excited about the model 3 launch and was looking into booking it(even though the wait is 1.5 years maybe). Anyways, a co worker who is a hard core Trump supporter comes up to me and says that Tesla cars and electrics are a scam.

I dont understand why Republicans hate electric cars. Here are the facts.

1) Electric cars are faster than gasoline cars (Reseach ludicrous mode in model S)
2) We are not dependent on foreign oil
3) They are manufactured in Freemont CA, so jobs!
4) The batteries are made in NV so more jobs
5) The tax credits given for electric cars are nothing compared to the tax reliefs given to Oil companies.
6) Most people plug their car into the super charger for 15 mins and get about ~60 to 70% range(Almost like filling gas at a gas station)
7) You plug in your car at home and wake up every day to 200 miles plus of range.
8) They dont pollute and are smooth and fun to drive.

It boggles my mind when I hear another American not supporting this concept.

Because "Liberals."

That is literally the only reason.

Republicans don't like innovation. That's the problem they have tech in general. Innovation threatens traditional industries - coal, oil, car makers. They like monopolies like AT&T and Bell companies.