Anonymous wrote:A lot of times those people are working out with other forms of exercise and supplement jogging for a little extra weight loss. Bodybuilders love LISS cardio in the mornings to help spur metabolism and shed extra pounds for competition. The jury is out on effectiveness but it's a tried and true methodology that has worked for decades.

Marathon runners and runners in general lack a good shape - unless they are sprinters. Ther are exceptions but that's a good generalization.

Sometimes you'll see weightlifters or powelifters do light cardio to shed a couple of pounds for a weight class and fighters do it a lot.

So tldr

A lot of times those morning joggers are using jogging as a little extra of a workout - unless of course they're just starting to exercise. In which case jogging is horrible for starting. There are better methods to lose fat.

Can you elaborate? I'm getting back into an exercise routine after a few years off. I used to be a runner/weight lifter. I have been running and doing exercise videos. I'm losing weight. My goal is to get to comfortable with 5k a few times a week and then start weight lifting again combined with cardio. So, for me, I am running to lose weight but I do also enjoy the stress relief. I like running.

I'm curious though about "better methods to lost fat." Do tell.

11:01 - I think for some people it's easier to cut 1,000 calories by dieting and for some people it's easier mentally to burn 1,000 calories by working out, and for many people, what might be easiest is to cut 500 calories by dieting and then burn off 500 calories with exercise.

personally, I have the willpower to exercise every day, often intensely. (I'm one of those morning joggers who is out there as soon as the sun comes up.) But my willpower is not great when it comes to food. So for me, staying thin-ish (thin-adjacent?) requires eating a decent, not-too-terrible diet and working out religiously. For other people, it might be easier to diet religiously and exercise sporadically.

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Anonymous wrote:I just got back from a run and everyone is very thin. I'm 130 and I am always the fattest person I see on my runs. I think the notion that diet is almost the sole determinant to be thin is wrong. I also think this theory could discourage people from exercise unnecessarily, which is a shame.

Its a combination of a small sample size (a few people you see on your run) combined with some cognitive bias (you filter out people who dont fit in with your theory).

Diet is much more key than exercise when it comes to weight loss.

Plus jogging will lose its effectiveness very fast as your body metabolism adjusts. Unless it's used with other forms of exercise body composition won't change much. Also diet has to be good.

A lot of times those people are working out with other forms of exercise and supplement jogging for a little extra weight loss. Bodybuilders love LISS cardio in the mornings to help spur metabolism and shed extra pounds for competition. The jury is out on effectiveness but it's a tried and true methodology that has worked for decades.

Marathon runners and runners in general lack a good shape - unless they are sprinters. Ther are exceptions but that's a good generalization.

Sometimes you'll see weightlifters or powelifters do light cardio to shed a couple of pounds for a weight class and fighters do it a lot.

So tldr

A lot of times those morning joggers are using jogging as a little extra of a workout - unless of course they're just starting to exercise. In which case jogging is horrible for starting. There are better methods to lose fat.

Anonymous wrote:I just got back from a run and everyone is very thin. I'm 130 and I am always the fattest person I see on my runs. I think the notion that diet is almost the sole determinant to be thin is wrong. I also think this theory could discourage people from exercise unnecessarily, which is a shame.

Its a combination of a small sample size (a few people you see on your run) combined with some cognitive bias (you filter out people who dont fit in with your theory).

Diet is much more key than exercise when it comes to weight loss.

Anonymous wrote:Because people who enjoy running and have a good build for running are usually thin. They aren't thin from running, they are naturally thin to begin with.

+1

I'm kind of amazed at the misunderstandings and magical thinking in this thread.

Weight is almost 100% calories in/calories out. Your personal makeup affects how many calories come in and how many go out. For each individual, calories in is affected by factors ranging from their gut bacteria to how much they chew to whether they cook their food. Likewise, calories out depends on your makeup --your size, your lean muscle mass, your exercise technique, etc.

But, given that we absorb calories at different rates and burn them at different rates, it really is simple --- calories in minus calories out (which are dramatically increased by running) = how fat you are.