Anonymous
04/21/2017 14:14
Subject: Spring 2017 soccer club tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
This is not true for all. My kid played against some of the NOVA CCL teams and they played possession style soccer. There was no kick and chase going on.
Just about every ccl team my kids under U-12 have played just have the goalie do the long punt it out of the back every.single.time. This shouldn't even be allowed in the younger years. It just results in the type of soccer where you send the biggest kid down the middle. They are learning absolutely nothing about the sport or play doing this. It's a detriment to their development--especially as physical attributes even out down the road. Watch champions league and see how often that is done in real play. LMVSC is one of the few that don't do this.
Obviously has not been to any recent CCL matches . . . . totally false.
+100
CCL teams vary greatly depending on gender, age and club, but for the most part, they are quality teams. I've had kids play WAGS, NCSL, ODSL and CCL...the CCL teams were definitely better quality, in terms of both coaching and players. (Of course I'm sure some hyped up ECNL and/or DA person will have a comment here, but not everyone is up for that environment).
If you are looking at teams for U9-U12, then stay close to home if you can...it's not worth a long drive just to play on what someone else perceives to be the "best in the area". The most important thing to look for is a coach who will be able to develop your player - whatever the skill level. Once you know what type of player you have (at U11-13), then you can start deciding if they need to be moved to a different team.
For the younger years what makes the CCL teams better? Anyone player can join these clubs and the costs are roughly the same for travel. ..right?
Oh, here we go again.
It isnt the league, its the quality of a few teams in the league. To make a A team in Loudoun or Arlington with their player pools puts your kid on a team with good players and some proven coaches. That is all. The league isn't magic. But the league has some quality clubs that have some quality teams. But at U9 and U10 you are dealing with little kids and scores get pretty crazy and that is true for any league.
Again, agree - totally about the team, not the league...especially at younger age.
Anonymous
04/21/2017 14:02
Subject: Spring 2017 soccer club tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, the SYC 2006 top boys team is incredible..beats EDP and CCL teams in tournaments.
Many teams beat CCL and EDP teams in tournaments---especially the MD teams. WTH is in the water in MD?
The CCL teams all stick together and do each others tournaments anyways. They'll often throw each other some of their many teams in an age group to fill out brackets. They generally play the same teams over and over again. Then get shocked when they step outside the CCL bubble.
This is not accurate. Are there teams in ccl that are terrible ? of course there are. But several of the best clubs in ccl dominate state cup. The only teams getting shocked in state cup are NON CCL.
None of this says anything about your child's skill or personal development. The CCL teams play American soccer.
Most knowledgeable soccer parents tend towards a different type of development for their children. Personalized, skill and possession-based. They don't buy into the big club mantra. These kids are light-years beyond 'state cup' play which used to be the goal in the 1980s, 90s. Not anymore.
This is not true for all. My kid played against some of the NOVA CCL teams and they played possession style soccer. There was no kick and chase going on.
Just about every ccl team my kids under U-12 have played just have the goalie do the long punt it out of the back every.single.time. This shouldn't even be allowed in the younger years. It just results in the type of soccer where you send the biggest kid down the middle. They are learning absolutely nothing about the sport or play doing this. It's a detriment to their development--especially as physical attributes even out down the road. Watch champions league and see how often that is done in real play. LMVSC is one of the few that don't do this.
Obviously has not been to any recent CCL matches . . . . totally false.
+100
CCL teams vary greatly depending on gender, age and club, but for the most part, they are quality teams. I've had kids play WAGS, NCSL, ODSL and CCL...the CCL teams were definitely better quality, in terms of both coaching and players. (Of course I'm sure some hyped up ECNL and/or DA person will have a comment here, but not everyone is up for that environment).
If you are looking at teams for U9-U12, then stay close to home if you can...it's not worth a long drive just to play on what someone else perceives to be the "best in the area". The most important thing to look for is a coach who will be able to develop your player - whatever the skill level. Once you know what type of player you have (at U11-13), then you can start deciding if they need to be moved to a different team.
For the younger years what makes the CCL teams better? Anyone player can join these clubs and the costs are roughly the same for travel. ..right?
Oh, here we go again.
It isnt the league, its the quality of a few teams in the league. To make a A team in Loudoun or Arlington with their player pools puts your kid on a team with good players and some proven coaches. That is all. The league isn't magic. But the league has some quality clubs that have some quality teams. But at U9 and U10 you are dealing with little kids and scores get pretty crazy and that is true for any league.
Anonymous
04/21/2017 13:54
Subject: Spring 2017 soccer club tryouts
For the younger years what makes the CCL teams better? Anyone player can join these clubs and the costs are roughly the same for travel. ..right?
I don't necessarily think a CCL team is better than non-CCL at the younger ages. As I mentioned before, each team will vary greatly. If you have a club nearby that isn't CCL, then they may be the better choice for the younger players.
Yes, anyone can pay their money and join any team, in any club (provided they tryout and are made an offer). I think the costs are mostly the same from one team to the next, but it can get more expensive when you play for the larger clubs. And the cost goes up depending on what each team decides to do for tournaments...we've been on teams where the travel was limited mostly to DMV area, with maybe one trip to Richmond or Va Beach. Other teams we've been on have traveled to PA, NJ, NC (as young as U10-11)...and some even further (GA, FL, OH, etc). But I think you find the travel increases with the level and age of the team...older teams will travel farther.
Anonymous
04/21/2017 13:38
Subject: Spring 2017 soccer club tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, the SYC 2006 top boys team is incredible..beats EDP and CCL teams in tournaments.
Many teams beat CCL and EDP teams in tournaments---especially the MD teams. WTH is in the water in MD?
The CCL teams all stick together and do each others tournaments anyways. They'll often throw each other some of their many teams in an age group to fill out brackets. They generally play the same teams over and over again. Then get shocked when they step outside the CCL bubble.
This is not accurate. Are there teams in ccl that are terrible ? of course there are. But several of the best clubs in ccl dominate state cup. The only teams getting shocked in state cup are NON CCL.
None of this says anything about your child's skill or personal development. The CCL teams play American soccer.
Most knowledgeable soccer parents tend towards a different type of development for their children. Personalized, skill and possession-based. They don't buy into the big club mantra. These kids are light-years beyond 'state cup' play which used to be the goal in the 1980s, 90s. Not anymore.
This is not true for all. My kid played against some of the NOVA CCL teams and they played possession style soccer. There was no kick and chase going on.
Just about every ccl team my kids under U-12 have played just have the goalie do the long punt it out of the back every.single.time. This shouldn't even be allowed in the younger years. It just results in the type of soccer where you send the biggest kid down the middle. They are learning absolutely nothing about the sport or play doing this. It's a detriment to their development--especially as physical attributes even out down the road. Watch champions league and see how often that is done in real play. LMVSC is one of the few that don't do this.
Obviously has not been to any recent CCL matches . . . . totally false.
+100
CCL teams vary greatly depending on gender, age and club, but for the most part, they are quality teams. I've had kids play WAGS, NCSL, ODSL and CCL...the CCL teams were definitely better quality, in terms of both coaching and players. (Of course I'm sure some hyped up ECNL and/or DA person will have a comment here, but not everyone is up for that environment).
If you are looking at teams for U9-U12, then stay close to home if you can...it's not worth a long drive just to play on what someone else perceives to be the "best in the area". The most important thing to look for is a coach who will be able to develop your player - whatever the skill level. Once you know what type of player you have (at U11-13), then you can start deciding if they need to be moved to a different team.
For the younger years what makes the CCL teams better? Anyone player can join these clubs and the costs are roughly the same for travel. ..right?
Anonymous
04/21/2017 13:22
Subject: Spring 2017 soccer club tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, the SYC 2006 top boys team is incredible..beats EDP and CCL teams in tournaments.
Many teams beat CCL and EDP teams in tournaments---especially the MD teams. WTH is in the water in MD?
The CCL teams all stick together and do each others tournaments anyways. They'll often throw each other some of their many teams in an age group to fill out brackets. They generally play the same teams over and over again. Then get shocked when they step outside the CCL bubble.
This is not accurate. Are there teams in ccl that are terrible ? of course there are. But several of the best clubs in ccl dominate state cup. The only teams getting shocked in state cup are NON CCL.
None of this says anything about your child's skill or personal development. The CCL teams play American soccer.
Most knowledgeable soccer parents tend towards a different type of development for their children. Personalized, skill and possession-based. They don't buy into the big club mantra. These kids are light-years beyond 'state cup' play which used to be the goal in the 1980s, 90s. Not anymore.
This is not true for all. My kid played against some of the NOVA CCL teams and they played possession style soccer. There was no kick and chase going on.
Just about every ccl team my kids under U-12 have played just have the goalie do the long punt it out of the back every.single.time. This shouldn't even be allowed in the younger years. It just results in the type of soccer where you send the biggest kid down the middle. They are learning absolutely nothing about the sport or play doing this. It's a detriment to their development--especially as physical attributes even out down the road. Watch champions league and see how often that is done in real play. LMVSC is one of the few that don't do this.
Obviously has not been to any recent CCL matches . . . . totally false.
+100
CCL teams vary greatly depending on gender, age and club, but for the most part, they are quality teams. I've had kids play WAGS, NCSL, ODSL and CCL...the CCL teams were definitely better quality, in terms of both coaching and players. (Of course I'm sure some hyped up ECNL and/or DA person will have a comment here, but not everyone is up for that environment).
If you are looking at teams for U9-U12, then stay close to home if you can...it's not worth a long drive just to play on what someone else perceives to be the "best in the area". The most important thing to look for is a coach who will be able to develop your player - whatever the skill level. Once you know what type of player you have (at U11-13), then you can start deciding if they need to be moved to a different team.
Anonymous
04/21/2017 13:08
Subject: Spring 2017 soccer club tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, the SYC 2006 top boys team is incredible..beats EDP and CCL teams in tournaments.
Many teams beat CCL and EDP teams in tournaments---especially the MD teams. WTH is in the water in MD?
The CCL teams all stick together and do each others tournaments anyways. They'll often throw each other some of their many teams in an age group to fill out brackets. They generally play the same teams over and over again. Then get shocked when they step outside the CCL bubble.
This is not accurate. Are there teams in ccl that are terrible ? of course there are. But several of the best clubs in ccl dominate state cup. The only teams getting shocked in state cup are NON CCL.
None of this says anything about your child's skill or personal development. The CCL teams play American soccer.
Most knowledgeable soccer parents tend towards a different type of development for their children. Personalized, skill and possession-based. They don't buy into the big club mantra. These kids are light-years beyond 'state cup' play which used to be the goal in the 1980s, 90s. Not anymore.
This is not true for all. My kid played against some of the NOVA CCL teams and they played possession style soccer. There was no kick and chase going on.
Just about every ccl team my kids under U-12 have played just have the goalie do the long punt it out of the back every.single.time. This shouldn't even be allowed in the younger years. It just results in the type of soccer where you send the biggest kid down the middle. They are learning absolutely nothing about the sport or play doing this. It's a detriment to their development--especially as physical attributes even out down the road. Watch champions league and see how often that is done in real play. LMVSC is one of the few that don't do this.
Obviously has not been to any recent CCL matches . . . . totally false.
Anonymous
04/21/2017 13:05
Subject: Spring 2017 soccer club tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, the SYC 2006 top boys team is incredible..beats EDP and CCL teams in tournaments.
Many teams beat CCL and EDP teams in tournaments---especially the MD teams. WTH is in the water in MD?
The CCL teams all stick together and do each others tournaments anyways. They'll often throw each other some of their many teams in an age group to fill out brackets. They generally play the same teams over and over again. Then get shocked when they step outside the CCL bubble.
This is not accurate. Are there teams in ccl that are terrible ? of course there are. But several of the best clubs in ccl dominate state cup. The only teams getting shocked in state cup are NON CCL.
None of this says anything about your child's skill or personal development. The CCL teams play American soccer.
Most knowledgeable soccer parents tend towards a different type of development for their children. Personalized, skill and possession-based. They don't buy into the big club mantra. These kids are light-years beyond 'state cup' play which used to be the goal in the 1980s, 90s. Not anymore.
This is not true for all. My kid played against some of the NOVA CCL teams and they played possession style soccer. There was no kick and chase going on.
NP here. Totally agree. They love spouting this mantra against the big clubs, and they love bashing CCL.
Anonymous
04/21/2017 12:46
Subject: Spring 2017 soccer club tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, the SYC 2006 top boys team is incredible..beats EDP and CCL teams in tournaments.
Many teams beat CCL and EDP teams in tournaments---especially the MD teams. WTH is in the water in MD?
The CCL teams all stick together and do each others tournaments anyways. They'll often throw each other some of their many teams in an age group to fill out brackets. They generally play the same teams over and over again. Then get shocked when they step outside the CCL bubble.
This is not accurate. Are there teams in ccl that are terrible ? of course there are. But several of the best clubs in ccl dominate state cup. The only teams getting shocked in state cup are NON CCL.
None of this says anything about your child's skill or personal development. The CCL teams play American soccer.
Most knowledgeable soccer parents tend towards a different type of development for their children. Personalized, skill and possession-based. They don't buy into the big club mantra. These kids are light-years beyond 'state cup' play which used to be the goal in the 1980s, 90s. Not anymore.
This is not true for all. My kid played against some of the NOVA CCL teams and they played possession style soccer. There was no kick and chase going on.
Just about every ccl team my kids under U-12 have played just have the goalie do the long punt it out of the back every.single.time. This shouldn't even be allowed in the younger years. It just results in the type of soccer where you send the biggest kid down the middle. They are learning absolutely nothing about the sport or play doing this. It's a detriment to their development--especially as physical attributes even out down the road. Watch champions league and see how often that is done in real play. LMVSC is one of the few that don't do this.
What team do your kids play for ?
Anonymous
04/21/2017 10:01
Subject: Spring 2017 soccer club tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how many players Arlington (ASA) selects for the U9 boys team(s)?
We have a first grade 2009 birth year boy, so we are just starting to wade into this. He's already signed up for the tryouts. As a first grader, we're not really expecting him to make it, but he wants to try out anyway.
They have A, B, C, D, E, and F teams, so expect ~66 total to make the cut. They will have somewhere between twice and three times that amount trying out. You won't know what team you are on until after the cut and they hold a special invite-only 4th tryout for those ~66 players. Good luck. Very difficult to stand out and you will figure out very fast where your player falls once you ID the stronger/older/skilled players on the A and B tryout fields. Check out their ADP program as well.
A Team:
If your kid is big, fast and has played soccer.
If your kid is highly skilled and fast.
B Team
If your kid is big and fast but not terribly skilled but can play
Very skilled, but small and average speed.
C Team
Average in size, speed and skill
D Team
Same as C team, but not sure
Kids could also display some attribute such as speed and size but skill levels are to far off
E Team
Mostly small and slow but can demonstrate some soccer skill
F Team
Same as above but even less. These are kids that are coach-able and demonstrate that they want to play and it is hard to say no to them because you never know how any of them might turn out.
One thing that I forgot to mention was the role birthdays play in all of this.
A Team
6 kids born Jan-April
4 kids born May-Aug
2 kids born Sept +
B Team
3 Kids born Jan-April
6 kids born May-Aug
4 kids born Sept +
C Team
3 Kids born Jan-April
6 kids born May-Aug
4 kids born Sept +
D Team
3 kids born Jan-April
7 kids born May-Aug
2 kids born Sept +
E Team
4 kids born Jan-April
4 kids born May- Aug
4 kids born Sept +
F Team
4 kids born Jan-April
4 kids born May- Aug
4 kids born Sept +
Anonymous
04/21/2017 09:35
Subject: Spring 2017 soccer club tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, the SYC 2006 top boys team is incredible..beats EDP and CCL teams in tournaments.
Many teams beat CCL and EDP teams in tournaments---especially the MD teams. WTH is in the water in MD?
The CCL teams all stick together and do each others tournaments anyways. They'll often throw each other some of their many teams in an age group to fill out brackets. They generally play the same teams over and over again. Then get shocked when they step outside the CCL bubble.
This is not accurate. Are there teams in ccl that are terrible ? of course there are. But several of the best clubs in ccl dominate state cup. The only teams getting shocked in state cup are NON CCL.
None of this says anything about your child's skill or personal development. The CCL teams play American soccer.
Most knowledgeable soccer parents tend towards a different type of development for their children. Personalized, skill and possession-based. They don't buy into the big club mantra. These kids are light-years beyond 'state cup' play which used to be the goal in the 1980s, 90s. Not anymore.
This is not true for all. My kid played against some of the NOVA CCL teams and they played possession style soccer. There was no kick and chase going on.
Just about every ccl team my kids under U-12 have played just have the goalie do the long punt it out of the back every.single.time. This shouldn't even be allowed in the younger years. It just results in the type of soccer where you send the biggest kid down the middle. They are learning absolutely nothing about the sport or play doing this. It's a detriment to their development--especially as physical attributes even out down the road. Watch champions league and see how often that is done in real play. LMVSC is one of the few that don't do this.
Anonymous
04/21/2017 08:59
Subject: Spring 2017 soccer club tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, the SYC 2006 top boys team is incredible..beats EDP and CCL teams in tournaments.
Many teams beat CCL and EDP teams in tournaments---especially the MD teams. WTH is in the water in MD?
The CCL teams all stick together and do each others tournaments anyways. They'll often throw each other some of their many teams in an age group to fill out brackets. They generally play the same teams over and over again. Then get shocked when they step outside the CCL bubble.
This is not accurate. Are there teams in ccl that are terrible ? of course there are. But several of the best clubs in ccl dominate state cup. The only teams getting shocked in state cup are NON CCL.
None of this says anything about your child's skill or personal development. The CCL teams play American soccer.
Most knowledgeable soccer parents tend towards a different type of development for their children. Personalized, skill and possession-based. They don't buy into the big club mantra. These kids are light-years beyond 'state cup' play which used to be the goal in the 1980s, 90s. Not anymore.
This is not true for all. My kid played against some of the NOVA CCL teams and they played possession style soccer. There was no kick and chase going on.
Anonymous
04/21/2017 07:46
Subject: Spring 2017 soccer club tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, the SYC 2006 top boys team is incredible..beats EDP and CCL teams in tournaments.
Many teams beat CCL and EDP teams in tournaments---especially the MD teams. WTH is in the water in MD?
The CCL teams all stick together and do each others tournaments anyways. They'll often throw each other some of their many teams in an age group to fill out brackets. They generally play the same teams over and over again. Then get shocked when they step outside the CCL bubble.
This is not accurate. Are there teams in ccl that are terrible ? of course there are. But several of the best clubs in ccl dominate state cup. The only teams getting shocked in state cup are NON CCL.
None of this says anything about your child's skill or personal development. The CCL teams play American soccer.
Most knowledgeable soccer parents tend towards a different type of development for their children. Personalized, skill and possession-based. They don't buy into the big club mantra. These kids are light-years beyond 'state cup' play which used to be the goal in the 1980s, 90s. Not anymore.
In those days, there wasn't DA academies and as many leagues and clubs. The talent was very concentrated. The level of talent participating was much higher. State Cup isn't so prestigious these days. The best players don't even participate.
Anonymous
04/21/2017 07:45
Subject: Re:Spring 2017 soccer club tryouts
I agree with you 7:37 about possession based play and individual skill development being essential to the type of growth that results in great soccer down the road. Who do think teaches this best in Nova, DC or MD (wherever you are)? Because as you alluded to, those teams should always be competitive but might not always be winning.
Anonymous
04/21/2017 07:37
Subject: Spring 2017 soccer club tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, the SYC 2006 top boys team is incredible..beats EDP and CCL teams in tournaments.
Many teams beat CCL and EDP teams in tournaments---especially the MD teams. WTH is in the water in MD?
The CCL teams all stick together and do each others tournaments anyways. They'll often throw each other some of their many teams in an age group to fill out brackets. They generally play the same teams over and over again. Then get shocked when they step outside the CCL bubble.
This is not accurate. Are there teams in ccl that are terrible ? of course there are. But several of the best clubs in ccl dominate state cup. The only teams getting shocked in state cup are NON CCL.
None of this says anything about your child's skill or personal development. The CCL teams play American soccer.
Most knowledgeable soccer parents tend towards a different type of development for their children. Personalized, skill and possession-based. They don't buy into the big club mantra. These kids are light-years beyond 'state cup' play which used to be the goal in the 1980s, 90s. Not anymore.
Anonymous
04/21/2017 07:10
Subject: Spring 2017 soccer club tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, the SYC 2006 top boys team is incredible..beats EDP and CCL teams in tournaments.
Many teams beat CCL and EDP teams in tournaments---especially the MD teams. WTH is in the water in MD?
The CCL teams all stick together and do each others tournaments anyways. They'll often throw each other some of their many teams in an age group to fill out brackets. They generally play the same teams over and over again. Then get shocked when they step outside the CCL bubble.
This is not accurate. Are there teams in ccl that are terrible ? of course there are. But several of the best clubs in ccl dominate state cup. The only teams getting shocked in state cup are NON CCL.