Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 12:28     Subject: Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

Anonymous wrote:Oh god, you guys. Thursday, this was bullshitted about on some fringe radio show. Friday, Breitbart reported it. Saturday, Trump tweets it. He is getting all his info from nut jobs.
the fox will run a banner under their broadcast that says "did obama bug trump?" So that other right wing media can cite fox, deftly eliminating the question mark.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 12:26     Subject: Re:Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

Anonymous wrote:love that he followed up with celebrity apprentice gripe.


I want to say that was the nuttiest thing of all but it keeps getting nuttier by the minute.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 11:36     Subject: Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

Is the weird intersplicing of the Sessions/Russia tweets with the Obama wiretapping tweets and indication that these tweets are timed to look like they are 3AM rants from POTUS?

Could they be Bannon or someone else trying to reach the part of the base that responds well to his tweeting? Notably, the Sessions/Russia ones are far less absurd, and they seem more likely to be planned tweets trying to deflect attention from the Sessions stuff. This time, though, they got crossed with a wiretapping rant.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 11:28     Subject: Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Well if Seasions is as honest as you say, he should have no problems going back under oath to clear all the confusion up.

Oh, but he is refusing to do that.


Why should he when he can issue a written statement that would serve the same purpose?


Hahahahahahahaha
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 11:28     Subject: Re:Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Sessions' banana-peel slip was also an indication there's something going on. So easy to say he'd met with the ambassador in his role as senator, but he had reason to pretend he hadn't.



Nope. Go listen to full exchange with Franken starting with CNN report.
Sessions is an honest man. You don't have to like him, but he is honest.


I agree. Why would he try to “hide” something that is so very easily discovered?
It wasn’t like he had a clandestine liaison with this guy.
Based on the exchange during his hearing, he didn’t lie or try to pretend anything.


I disagree. The written question from Senator Leahy was very direct and plain, and he lied on that too. It is clear from his other written responses that he exaggerated his role in some of the cases he claimed to prosecute to his advantage. So you can claim he is truthful and honorable, but the facts suggest otherwise.


Let's look at Leahy's question.....

SEN. PATRICK J. LEAHY: Several of the President-elect's nominees or senior advisers have Russian ties. Have you been in contact with anyone connected to any part of the Russian government about the 2016 election, either before or after election day?" the Vermont Democrat asked in a questionnaire.
SESSIONS: No.

He didn't ask if Sessions had been in contact with anyone with the Russian government for any reason. He asked specifically if he had been in contact with anyone from the Russian government about the 2016 election.
And, Sessions answered honestly.


But as you very well know people are much more concerned about the Franken exchange where he was asked about anyone from the campaign communicating with the Russians, full stop.


And, let's look at that exchange.......

Franken: "CNN just published a story alleging that the intelligence community provided documents to the president-elect last week that included information that quote, ‘Russian operatives claimed to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump.’ These documents also allegedly say quote, ‘There was a continuing exchange of information during the campaign between Trump's surrogates and intermediaries for the Russian government.’

"Now, again, I'm telling you this as it's coming out, so you know. But if it's true, it's obviously extremely serious and if there is any evidence that anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign communicated with the Russian government in the course of this campaign, what will you do?"

Sessions: "Senator Franken, I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I didn't have — did not have communications with the Russians, and I'm unable to comment on it."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/mar/02/context-what-jeff-sessions-told-al-franken-about-m/

Even Politifact doesn't call it a false statement.


"It's possible he didn't perjured himself." --Politifact
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 11:28     Subject: Re:Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

Anonymous wrote:love that he followed up with celebrity apprentice gripe.


It is time for him to honorably step down from the Presidency and resume his host role of the Apprentice to save the show. MAGA - Make Apprentice Great Again!
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 11:22     Subject: Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

Anonymous wrote:Well if Seasions is as honest as you say, he should have no problems going back under oath to clear all the confusion up.

Oh, but he is refusing to do that.


Why should he when he can issue a written statement that would serve the same purpose?
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 11:21     Subject: Re:Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Sessions' banana-peel slip was also an indication there's something going on. So easy to say he'd met with the ambassador in his role as senator, but he had reason to pretend he hadn't.



Nope. Go listen to full exchange with Franken starting with CNN report.
Sessions is an honest man. You don't have to like him, but he is honest.


I agree. Why would he try to “hide” something that is so very easily discovered?
It wasn’t like he had a clandestine liaison with this guy.
Based on the exchange during his hearing, he didn’t lie or try to pretend anything.


I disagree. The written question from Senator Leahy was very direct and plain, and he lied on that too. It is clear from his other written responses that he exaggerated his role in some of the cases he claimed to prosecute to his advantage. So you can claim he is truthful and honorable, but the facts suggest otherwise.


Let's look at Leahy's question.....

SEN. PATRICK J. LEAHY: Several of the President-elect's nominees or senior advisers have Russian ties. Have you been in contact with anyone connected to any part of the Russian government about the 2016 election, either before or after election day?" the Vermont Democrat asked in a questionnaire.
SESSIONS: No.

He didn't ask if Sessions had been in contact with anyone with the Russian government for any reason. He asked specifically if he had been in contact with anyone from the Russian government about the 2016 election.
And, Sessions answered honestly.


But as you very well know people are much more concerned about the Franken exchange where he was asked about anyone from the campaign communicating with the Russians, full stop.


And, let's look at that exchange.......

Franken: "CNN just published a story alleging that the intelligence community provided documents to the president-elect last week that included information that quote, ‘Russian operatives claimed to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump.’ These documents also allegedly say quote, ‘There was a continuing exchange of information during the campaign between Trump's surrogates and intermediaries for the Russian government.’

"Now, again, I'm telling you this as it's coming out, so you know. But if it's true, it's obviously extremely serious and if there is any evidence that anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign communicated with the Russian government in the course of this campaign, what will you do?"

Sessions: "Senator Franken, I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I didn't have — did not have communications with the Russians, and I'm unable to comment on it."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/mar/02/context-what-jeff-sessions-told-al-franken-about-m/

Even Politifact doesn't call it a false statement.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 10:52     Subject: Re:Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

love that he followed up with celebrity apprentice gripe.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 10:45     Subject: Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

The US Government has become "Must See TV"

Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 10:40     Subject: Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

Well if Seasions is as honest as you say, he should have no problems going back under oath to clear all the confusion up.

Oh, but he is refusing to do that.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 10:39     Subject: Re:Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Sessions' banana-peel slip was also an indication there's something going on. So easy to say he'd met with the ambassador in his role as senator, but he had reason to pretend he hadn't.



Nope. Go listen to full exchange with Franken starting with CNN report.
Sessions is an honest man. You don't have to like him, but he is honest.


I agree. Why would he try to “hide” something that is so very easily discovered?
It wasn’t like he had a clandestine liaison with this guy.
Based on the exchange during his hearing, he didn’t lie or try to pretend anything.


I disagree. The written question from Senator Leahy was very direct and plain, and he lied on that too. It is clear from his other written responses that he exaggerated his role in some of the cases he claimed to prosecute to his advantage. So you can claim he is truthful and honorable, but the facts suggest otherwise.


Let's look at Leahy's question.....

SEN. PATRICK J. LEAHY: Several of the President-elect's nominees or senior advisers have Russian ties. Have you been in contact with anyone connected to any part of the Russian government about the 2016 election, either before or after election day?" the Vermont Democrat asked in a questionnaire.
SESSIONS: No.

He didn't ask if Sessions had been in contact with anyone with the Russian government for any reason. He asked specifically if he had been in contact with anyone from the Russian government about the 2016 election.
And, Sessions answered honestly.


But as you very well know people are much more concerned about the Franken exchange where he was asked about anyone from the campaign communicating with the Russians, full stop.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 10:39     Subject: Re:Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Sessions' banana-peel slip was also an indication there's something going on. So easy to say he'd met with the ambassador in his role as senator, but he had reason to pretend he hadn't.



Nope. Go listen to full exchange with Franken starting with CNN report.
Sessions is an honest man. You don't have to like him, but he is honest.


I agree. Why would he try to “hide” something that is so very easily discovered?
It wasn’t like he had a clandestine liaison with this guy.
Based on the exchange during his hearing, he didn’t lie or try to pretend anything.


I disagree. The written question from Senator Leahy was very direct and plain, and he lied on that too. It is clear from his other written responses that he exaggerated his role in some of the cases he claimed to prosecute to his advantage. So you can claim he is truthful and honorable, but the facts suggest otherwise.


Let's look at Leahy's question.....

SEN. PATRICK J. LEAHY: Several of the President-elect's nominees or senior advisers have Russian ties. Have you been in contact with anyone connected to any part of the Russian government about the 2016 election, either before or after election day?" the Vermont Democrat asked in a questionnaire.
SESSIONS: No.

He didn't ask if Sessions had been in contact with anyone with the Russian government for any reason. He asked specifically if he had been in contact with anyone from the Russian government about the 2016 election.
And, Sessions answered honestly.


Why was he meeting him at the RNC using his campaign funds? Why is he the only member of the Armed Forces Committee to meet him?
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 10:36     Subject: Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

Oh god, you guys. Thursday, this was bullshitted about on some fringe radio show. Friday, Breitbart reported it. Saturday, Trump tweets it. He is getting all his info from nut jobs.
Anonymous
Post 03/04/2017 10:30     Subject: Trump Accusing Obama of Tapping Phones at Trump Tower

jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I haven't seen anything that indicates Trump saw actual government reports that it happened (e.g. a FISA warrant), just repeating the claims of the right-wing press that it happened. So I'm not sure why everyone is speculating about "what Obama knew and when he knew it".


Exactly.


Maybe Trump received a "target letter" from FBI, notifying him that he is the subject of a federal criminal investigation.

All speculation ... of course.