Anonymous
Post 02/01/2017 22:38     Subject: Surprise! What did the seller take with them that you expected would stay with the house?
Ugh, if taking what is "yours" involves using tools to dismantle/remove from the walls and take down - it is a fixture of the house that isn't "yours" anymore unless it is specifically stated that those things do not convey.

I can not even imagine showing a house with custom closet shelving in place and then removing it at the time of the sale as a nasty little surprise for the new owner.

I'm shocked that people do that actually.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2017 21:26     Subject: Surprise! What did the seller take with them that you expected would stay with the house?
Anonymous wrote:I'm the original 'removed all the closet shelving' PP: First of all this wasn't Elfa - it was probably Home Depot and each shelf attached to wall so technically would have convey even if we hadn't written it in the contract (all blinds, shelving, curtain rods, etc.) We did a walk-through - again - noting that all was there both before settlement and day before they moved out after we gave them a month rent back. What happened in our specific case is that sometime in the 24 hrs after that walk through and when they moved out they came in and took all the shelving down. Those of you saying yo;d keep the elfa - shoot even these knock offs - really miss the point of the ridiculousness of the labor involved #1 in taking each down, closet after closet and then unless they were building new (which I actually knew they weren't) you'd not only have to put them back up but saw each and every shelf to fit the new home. Them stealing them was outrageous as it was spelled out in contract - but to think it was worth it given all the trouble involved made it just seem extra bad. Again - them moving out of state effectively took it out of my hands as I didn't want to deal with the complexity but geeze what a mean-spirited thing to do


They are not stealing them. They bought them and installed them Seriously, go to HD and buy new ones. They are easy to put together and install.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2017 21:24     Subject: Re:Surprise! What did the seller take with them that you expected would stay with the house?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised how many people think window treatments, like the curtains not blinds, should stay. Do you expect the shower curtain to be left?


Yeah, in the DC area it is pretty standard to leave the window treatments (curtains/blinds/rods) and if you don't plan on doing that it is usually mentioned in the listing.

Shower curtains no. Shower rods I would leave.


We didn't get anything and who cares. I got the cheap paper blinds till we replaced them with nicer ones. No big deal.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2017 21:23     Subject: Re:Surprise! What did the seller take with them that you expected would stay with the house?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised how many people think window treatments, like the curtains not blinds, should stay. Do you expect the shower curtain to be left?


Yeah, in the DC area it is pretty standard to leave the window treatments (curtains/blinds/rods) and if you don't plan on doing that it is usually mentioned in the listing.

Shower curtains no. Shower rods I would leave.


I'm surprised at how many of you are cheap bastards considering the costs of homes in this area. If I spent $20,000 on curtains and drapes...they aren't staying. Blinds...unless they're the real wood ones or mechanized, could stay.

To put it simply, I'd rather sell my old treatments (which are worth a pretty penny) then just give them to you. What you get is the four walls, the flooring, and the appliances agreed upon. Das it.


You're crazy if you think someone's going to buy your old drapes. They were worth that much when you bought them for that specific house with your decor, but you'd be lucky to get a fraction of what you paid.


Seriously. You leave them because they fit those particular windows, they go with that particular paint in the house. Who do you think is going to buy your dusty, custom made, used window treatments for full price?

If you aren't going to leave them at least be straightforward about and put it in the listing "window treatments do not convey".


Mine are standard drapes that match our rugs. Reality is no buyer is going to reuse them and buy what they want. Same for curtain rods. I'd take all that with me. I'd probably take our closet organizers too. We installed them, easy. Buyers can install their own too.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2017 19:51     Subject: Re:Surprise! What did the seller take with them that you expected would stay with the house?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised how many people think window treatments, like the curtains not blinds, should stay. Do you expect the shower curtain to be left?


Yeah, in the DC area it is pretty standard to leave the window treatments (curtains/blinds/rods) and if you don't plan on doing that it is usually mentioned in the listing.

Shower curtains no. Shower rods I would leave.


I'm surprised at how many of you are cheap bastards considering the costs of homes in this area. If I spent $20,000 on curtains and drapes...they aren't staying. Blinds...unless they're the real wood ones or mechanized, could stay.

To put it simply, I'd rather sell my old treatments (which are worth a pretty penny) then just give them to you. What you get is the four walls, the flooring, and the appliances agreed upon. Das it.


You're crazy if you think someone's going to buy your old drapes. They were worth that much when you bought them for that specific house with your decor, but you'd be lucky to get a fraction of what you paid.


+1 Drapes are very tough to sell regardless how nice they are and how much you paid for them. Unless you use them in your own home, they'll sit in a closet because no one will buy them.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2017 19:32     Subject: Re:Surprise! What did the seller take with them that you expected would stay with the house?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised how many people think window treatments, like the curtains not blinds, should stay. Do you expect the shower curtain to be left?


Yeah, in the DC area it is pretty standard to leave the window treatments (curtains/blinds/rods) and if you don't plan on doing that it is usually mentioned in the listing.

Shower curtains no. Shower rods I would leave.


I'm surprised at how many of you are cheap bastards considering the costs of homes in this area. If I spent $20,000 on curtains and drapes...they aren't staying. Blinds...unless they're the real wood ones or mechanized, could stay.

To put it simply, I'd rather sell my old treatments (which are worth a pretty penny) then just give them to you. What you get is the four walls, the flooring, and the appliances agreed upon. Das it.


You're crazy if you think someone's going to buy your old drapes. They were worth that much when you bought them for that specific house with your decor, but you'd be lucky to get a fraction of what you paid.


Seriously. You leave them because they fit those particular windows, they go with that particular paint in the house. Who do you think is going to buy your dusty, custom made, used window treatments for full price?

If you aren't going to leave them at least be straightforward about and put it in the listing "window treatments do not convey".
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2017 19:31     Subject: Re:Surprise! What did the seller take with them that you expected would stay with the house?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised how many people think window treatments, like the curtains not blinds, should stay. Do you expect the shower curtain to be left?


Yeah, in the DC area it is pretty standard to leave the window treatments (curtains/blinds/rods) and if you don't plan on doing that it is usually mentioned in the listing.

Shower curtains no. Shower rods I would leave.


I'm surprised at how many of you are cheap bastards considering the costs of homes in this area. If I spent $20,000 on curtains and drapes...they aren't staying. Blinds...unless they're the real wood ones or mechanized, could stay.

To put it simply, I'd rather sell my old treatments (which are worth a pretty penny) then just give them to you. What you get is the four walls, the flooring, and the appliances agreed upon. Das it.


You're crazy if you think someone's going to buy your old drapes. They were worth that much when you bought them for that specific house with your decor, but you'd be lucky to get a fraction of what you paid.


Yep, and I'll take that fraction.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2017 19:26     Subject: Re:Surprise! What did the seller take with them that you expected would stay with the house?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised how many people think window treatments, like the curtains not blinds, should stay. Do you expect the shower curtain to be left?


Yeah, in the DC area it is pretty standard to leave the window treatments (curtains/blinds/rods) and if you don't plan on doing that it is usually mentioned in the listing.

Shower curtains no. Shower rods I would leave.


I'm surprised at how many of you are cheap bastards considering the costs of homes in this area. If I spent $20,000 on curtains and drapes...they aren't staying. Blinds...unless they're the real wood ones or mechanized, could stay.

To put it simply, I'd rather sell my old treatments (which are worth a pretty penny) then just give them to you. What you get is the four walls, the flooring, and the appliances agreed upon. Das it.


You're crazy if you think someone's going to buy your old drapes. They were worth that much when you bought them for that specific house with your decor, but you'd be lucky to get a fraction of what you paid.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2017 19:05     Subject: Surprise! What did the seller take with them that you expected would stay with the house?
Unpacking in my new house I found the kitchen sink stopper that my horrible packers packed up. I know the buyers were like wtf?
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2017 19:02     Subject: Re:Surprise! What did the seller take with them that you expected would stay with the house?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised how many people think window treatments, like the curtains not blinds, should stay. Do you expect the shower curtain to be left?


Yeah, in the DC area it is pretty standard to leave the window treatments (curtains/blinds/rods) and if you don't plan on doing that it is usually mentioned in the listing.

Shower curtains no. Shower rods I would leave.


I'm surprised at how many of you are cheap bastards considering the costs of homes in this area. If I spent $20,000 on curtains and drapes...they aren't staying. Blinds...unless they're the real wood ones or mechanized, could stay.

To put it simply, I'd rather sell my old treatments (which are worth a pretty penny) then just give them to you. What you get is the four walls, the flooring, and the appliances agreed upon. Das it.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2017 19:00     Subject: Re:Surprise! What did the seller take with them that you expected would stay with the house?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised how many people think window treatments, like the curtains not blinds, should stay. Do you expect the shower curtain to be left?


In the contract language, window treatments do convey. Unless you write in that they don't.

And yeah a shower curtain liner is nice if you leave it. Who wants to spend a full day moving and then not have a shower curtain to shower with the first night?


...

I would never use someone else's shower curtain liner. Disgusting. But HOTELS you say, I say: at least hotels have a guaranteed cleaning service.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2017 13:34     Subject: Re:Surprise! What did the seller take with them that you expected would stay with the house?
Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised how many people think window treatments, like the curtains not blinds, should stay. Do you expect the shower curtain to be left?


If it's in the contract as staying, it should stay. If not, buyer beware.

In our case, the window treatments were in the contract. The sellers agreed to that provision and signed the contract, then took them all with them. Their real estate agent then sacrificed a chunk of her commission to make the problem (and her clients) go away.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2017 13:30     Subject: Re:Surprise! What did the seller take with them that you expected would stay with the house?
Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised how many people think window treatments, like the curtains not blinds, should stay. Do you expect the shower curtain to be left?


Yeah, in the DC area it is pretty standard to leave the window treatments (curtains/blinds/rods) and if you don't plan on doing that it is usually mentioned in the listing.

Shower curtains no. Shower rods I would leave.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2017 13:29     Subject: Re:Surprise! What did the seller take with them that you expected would stay with the house?
Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised how many people think window treatments, like the curtains not blinds, should stay. Do you expect the shower curtain to be left?


In the contract language, window treatments do convey. Unless you write in that they don't.

And yeah a shower curtain liner is nice if you leave it. Who wants to spend a full day moving and then not have a shower curtain to shower with the first night?
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2017 13:27     Subject: Surprise! What did the seller take with them that you expected would stay with the house?
Anonymous wrote:I'm the original 'removed all the closet shelving' PP: First of all this wasn't Elfa - it was probably Home Depot and each shelf attached to wall so technically would have convey even if we hadn't written it in the contract (all blinds, shelving, curtain rods, etc.) We did a walk-through - again - noting that all was there both before settlement and day before they moved out after we gave them a month rent back. What happened in our specific case is that sometime in the 24 hrs after that walk through and when they moved out they came in and took all the shelving down. Those of you saying yo;d keep the elfa - shoot even these knock offs - really miss the point of the ridiculousness of the labor involved #1 in taking each down, closet after closet and then unless they were building new (which I actually knew they weren't) you'd not only have to put them back up but saw each and every shelf to fit the new home. Them stealing them was outrageous as it was spelled out in contract - but to think it was worth it given all the trouble involved made it just seem extra bad. Again - them moving out of state effectively took it out of my hands as I didn't want to deal with the complexity but geeze what a mean-spirited thing to do


I'm with you, it is absolutely absurd to take all of the closet shelving anyway, but also to basically do it against the contract. I can't stand the posters who bring in all of these "special" situations where THEY would take their closet shelving because they spent X amount of money on it, when that was clearly not what your situation was.