Anonymous
Post 01/29/2017 17:48     Subject: Re:Customs agents refuse to follow court order and continue enforcement the executive order

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:Send in the US Marshals.


+1. This is what happens next. The Marshals are the Judicial systems law enforcement branch. They go in and compel compliance. The Judge should be able to hold ICE agents in contempts. Possibly jail. But this sets up a scenario when Trump (okay Bannon) tries to stop the marshals (FBI? National Guard? I'm guessing FBI since he has Comey in his pocket). And it could get very ugly, very fast, and what happens next is unpredictable. We have three branches of government for a reason. And whether you support Trump or not, this should disturb you greatly. Because Trump just have the Constitution the big middle finger.

Trump should have taken Mr. Kahn's pocket copy of the Constitution and read it. Also, I'm pretty sure Trump does not know the difference between a green card, a student visa, a tourist visa, an H1B visa, a citizen from visa waiver country, and an illegal alien.


either way visitors from any of these countries need to be scrutinized who keep coming back and forth and no more refugees let in. FINALLY someone has the spine and balls to do something about it!!!


All those scary refugees, fleeing persecution. Boo!


Sure they are.FLEEING??? HAAAAAAAAAAHHHAHAHAHA they don't live in the country that first offers them asylum in Europe but they rather move on to more prosperous wealthy nations that have more benefits. Fleeing my ass.


Not how refugee alsylum works. At least not from Syria.
Anonymous
Post 01/29/2017 17:16     Subject: Re:Customs agents refuse to follow court order and continue enforcement the executive order

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:Send in the US Marshals.


+1. This is what happens next. The Marshals are the Judicial systems law enforcement branch. They go in and compel compliance. The Judge should be able to hold ICE agents in contempts. Possibly jail. But this sets up a scenario when Trump (okay Bannon) tries to stop the marshals (FBI? National Guard? I'm guessing FBI since he has Comey in his pocket). And it could get very ugly, very fast, and what happens next is unpredictable. We have three branches of government for a reason. And whether you support Trump or not, this should disturb you greatly. Because Trump just have the Constitution the big middle finger.

Trump should have taken Mr. Kahn's pocket copy of the Constitution and read it. Also, I'm pretty sure Trump does not know the difference between a green card, a student visa, a tourist visa, an H1B visa, a citizen from visa waiver country, and an illegal alien.


either way visitors from any of these countries need to be scrutinized who keep coming back and forth and no more refugees let in. FINALLY someone has the spine and balls to do something about it!!!


Please name one situation where someone who would have been impacted by this Executive Order, in the past caused harm to a US citizen on US soil.



Somalis in Idaho Falls. And an Iraqi. Attack on 5 years old girl


Too bad Bannon wrote such a terrible EO that won't stand up to legal scrutiny. He's doing a sorry job of trying to protect the poor girl. Because he doesn't care about her.



Indeed! If he cared he would have gotten some experience or education or maybe even some help from seasoned lawmakers. The hubris of Bannon is staggering.
Anonymous
Post 01/29/2017 17:10     Subject: Customs agents refuse to follow court order and continue enforcement the executive order

On WAMU there were folks saying the EO was being implemented inconsistently from one airport to the next, CBP officers are confused and frustrated, they have gotten no clear guidance, and when asked who they can get clarification from, it's "Ask Trump"

What a mess Trump has created.
Anonymous
Post 01/29/2017 17:04     Subject: Re:Customs agents refuse to follow court order and continue enforcement the executive order

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:Send in the US Marshals.


+1. This is what happens next. The Marshals are the Judicial systems law enforcement branch. They go in and compel compliance. The Judge should be able to hold ICE agents in contempts. Possibly jail. But this sets up a scenario when Trump (okay Bannon) tries to stop the marshals (FBI? National Guard? I'm guessing FBI since he has Comey in his pocket). And it could get very ugly, very fast, and what happens next is unpredictable. We have three branches of government for a reason. And whether you support Trump or not, this should disturb you greatly. Because Trump just have the Constitution the big middle finger.

Trump should have taken Mr. Kahn's pocket copy of the Constitution and read it. Also, I'm pretty sure Trump does not know the difference between a green card, a student visa, a tourist visa, an H1B visa, a citizen from visa waiver country, and an illegal alien.


either way visitors from any of these countries need to be scrutinized who keep coming back and forth and no more refugees let in. FINALLY someone has the spine and balls to do something about it!!!


Please name one situation where someone who would have been impacted by this Executive Order, in the past caused harm to a US citizen on US soil.



Somalis in Idaho Falls. And an Iraqi. Attack on 5 years old girl


Too bad Bannon wrote such a terrible EO that won't stand up to legal scrutiny. He's doing a sorry job of trying to protect the poor girl. Because he doesn't care about her.


Nice duck. You asked, I answered
jsteele
Post 01/29/2017 17:01     Subject: Re:Customs agents refuse to follow court order and continue enforcement the executive order

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:Send in the US Marshals.


+1. This is what happens next. The Marshals are the Judicial systems law enforcement branch. They go in and compel compliance. The Judge should be able to hold ICE agents in contempts. Possibly jail. But this sets up a scenario when Trump (okay Bannon) tries to stop the marshals (FBI? National Guard? I'm guessing FBI since he has Comey in his pocket). And it could get very ugly, very fast, and what happens next is unpredictable. We have three branches of government for a reason. And whether you support Trump or not, this should disturb you greatly. Because Trump just have the Constitution the big middle finger.

Trump should have taken Mr. Kahn's pocket copy of the Constitution and read it. Also, I'm pretty sure Trump does not know the difference between a green card, a student visa, a tourist visa, an H1B visa, a citizen from visa waiver country, and an illegal alien.


either way visitors from any of these countries need to be scrutinized who keep coming back and forth and no more refugees let in. FINALLY someone has the spine and balls to do something about it!!!


All those scary refugees, fleeing persecution. Boo!


Sure they are.FLEEING??? HAAAAAAAAAAHHHAHAHAHA they don't live in the country that first offers them asylum in Europe but they rather move on to more prosperous wealthy nations that have more benefits. Fleeing my ass.


This exactly - and thank you for having the courage to write the truth.


That is simply not the truth. Quit spreading alternative facts.
Anonymous
Post 01/29/2017 16:59     Subject: Re:Customs agents refuse to follow court order and continue enforcement the executive order

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:Send in the US Marshals.


+1. This is what happens next. The Marshals are the Judicial systems law enforcement branch. They go in and compel compliance. The Judge should be able to hold ICE agents in contempts. Possibly jail. But this sets up a scenario when Trump (okay Bannon) tries to stop the marshals (FBI? National Guard? I'm guessing FBI since he has Comey in his pocket). And it could get very ugly, very fast, and what happens next is unpredictable. We have three branches of government for a reason. And whether you support Trump or not, this should disturb you greatly. Because Trump just have the Constitution the big middle finger.

Trump should have taken Mr. Kahn's pocket copy of the Constitution and read it. Also, I'm pretty sure Trump does not know the difference between a green card, a student visa, a tourist visa, an H1B visa, a citizen from visa waiver country, and an illegal alien.


either way visitors from any of these countries need to be scrutinized who keep coming back and forth and no more refugees let in. FINALLY someone has the spine and balls to do something about it!!!


All those scary refugees, fleeing persecution. Boo!


Sure they are.FLEEING??? HAAAAAAAAAAHHHAHAHAHA they don't live in the country that first offers them asylum in Europe but they rather move on to more prosperous wealthy nations that have more benefits. Fleeing my ass.


This exactly - and thank you for having the courage to write the truth.
Anonymous
Post 01/29/2017 16:57     Subject: Re:Customs agents refuse to follow court order and continue enforcement the executive order

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:Send in the US Marshals.


+1. This is what happens next. The Marshals are the Judicial systems law enforcement branch. They go in and compel compliance. The Judge should be able to hold ICE agents in contempts. Possibly jail. But this sets up a scenario when Trump (okay Bannon) tries to stop the marshals (FBI? National Guard? I'm guessing FBI since he has Comey in his pocket). And it could get very ugly, very fast, and what happens next is unpredictable. We have three branches of government for a reason. And whether you support Trump or not, this should disturb you greatly. Because Trump just have the Constitution the big middle finger.

Trump should have taken Mr. Kahn's pocket copy of the Constitution and read it. Also, I'm pretty sure Trump does not know the difference between a green card, a student visa, a tourist visa, an H1B visa, a citizen from visa waiver country, and an illegal alien.


either way visitors from any of these countries need to be scrutinized who keep coming back and forth and no more refugees let in. FINALLY someone has the spine and balls to do something about it!!!


Please name one situation where someone who would have been impacted by this Executive Order, in the past caused harm to a US citizen on US soil.



Somalis in Idaho Falls. And an Iraqi. Attack on 5 years old girl


Too bad Bannon wrote such a terrible EO that won't stand up to legal scrutiny. He's doing a sorry job of trying to protect the poor girl. Because he doesn't care about her.
Anonymous
Post 01/29/2017 16:53     Subject: Re:Customs agents refuse to follow court order and continue enforcement the executive order

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:Send in the US Marshals.


+1. This is what happens next. The Marshals are the Judicial systems law enforcement branch. They go in and compel compliance. The Judge should be able to hold ICE agents in contempts. Possibly jail. But this sets up a scenario when Trump (okay Bannon) tries to stop the marshals (FBI? National Guard? I'm guessing FBI since he has Comey in his pocket). And it could get very ugly, very fast, and what happens next is unpredictable. We have three branches of government for a reason. And whether you support Trump or not, this should disturb you greatly. Because Trump just have the Constitution the big middle finger.

Trump should have taken Mr. Kahn's pocket copy of the Constitution and read it. Also, I'm pretty sure Trump does not know the difference between a green card, a student visa, a tourist visa, an H1B visa, a citizen from visa waiver country, and an illegal alien.


either way visitors from any of these countries need to be scrutinized who keep coming back and forth and no more refugees let in. FINALLY someone has the spine and balls to do something about it!!!


Please name one situation where someone who would have been impacted by this Executive Order, in the past caused harm to a US citizen on US soil.



Somalis in Idaho Falls. And an Iraqi. Attack on 5 years old girl
Anonymous
Post 01/29/2017 16:50     Subject: Re:Customs agents refuse to follow court order and continue enforcement the executive order

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:Send in the US Marshals.


+1. This is what happens next. The Marshals are the Judicial systems law enforcement branch. They go in and compel compliance. The Judge should be able to hold ICE agents in contempts. Possibly jail. But this sets up a scenario when Trump (okay Bannon) tries to stop the marshals (FBI? National Guard? I'm guessing FBI since he has Comey in his pocket). And it could get very ugly, very fast, and what happens next is unpredictable. We have three branches of government for a reason. And whether you support Trump or not, this should disturb you greatly. Because Trump just have the Constitution the big middle finger.

Trump should have taken Mr. Kahn's pocket copy of the Constitution and read it. Also, I'm pretty sure Trump does not know the difference between a green card, a student visa, a tourist visa, an H1B visa, a citizen from visa waiver country, and an illegal alien.


Customs and DHS are as well-armed as the US Marshals. The could just as easily arrest the marshals for trying to obstruct DHS's customs operations.


Which is really a constitutional nightmare, when two branches of the federal government end up in a shootout. If Trump gave this order, it's illegal, and we have had our first clear and unambiguous impeachable offense.



If we get to that point, there's no way trump would comply with impeachment procedures. Some of the military would likely be loyal to him.


This has been my fear as well. Whenever it's time for him to go, he will not leave without force.
Anonymous
Post 01/29/2017 16:48     Subject: Re:Customs agents refuse to follow court order and continue enforcement the executive order

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:Send in the US Marshals.


+1. This is what happens next. The Marshals are the Judicial systems law enforcement branch. They go in and compel compliance. The Judge should be able to hold ICE agents in contempts. Possibly jail. But this sets up a scenario when Trump (okay Bannon) tries to stop the marshals (FBI? National Guard? I'm guessing FBI since he has Comey in his pocket). And it could get very ugly, very fast, and what happens next is unpredictable. We have three branches of government for a reason. And whether you support Trump or not, this should disturb you greatly. Because Trump just have the Constitution the big middle finger.

Trump should have taken Mr. Kahn's pocket copy of the Constitution and read it. Also, I'm pretty sure Trump does not know the difference between a green card, a student visa, a tourist visa, an H1B visa, a citizen from visa waiver country, and an illegal alien.


either way visitors from any of these countries need to be scrutinized who keep coming back and forth and no more refugees let in. FINALLY someone has the spine and balls to do something about it!!!


Please name one situation where someone who would have been impacted by this Executive Order, in the past caused harm to a US citizen on US soil.

Anonymous
Post 01/29/2017 16:47     Subject: Re:Customs agents refuse to follow court order and continue enforcement the executive order

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:Send in the US Marshals.


+1. This is what happens next. The Marshals are the Judicial systems law enforcement branch. They go in and compel compliance. The Judge should be able to hold ICE agents in contempts. Possibly jail. But this sets up a scenario when Trump (okay Bannon) tries to stop the marshals (FBI? National Guard? I'm guessing FBI since he has Comey in his pocket). And it could get very ugly, very fast, and what happens next is unpredictable. We have three branches of government for a reason. And whether you support Trump or not, this should disturb you greatly. Because Trump just have the Constitution the big middle finger.

Trump should have taken Mr. Kahn's pocket copy of the Constitution and read it. Also, I'm pretty sure Trump does not know the difference between a green card, a student visa, a tourist visa, an H1B visa, a citizen from visa waiver country, and an illegal alien.


either way visitors from any of these countries need to be scrutinized who keep coming back and forth and no more refugees let in. FINALLY someone has the spine and balls to do something about it!!!


All those scary refugees, fleeing persecution. Boo!


Sure they are.FLEEING??? HAAAAAAAAAAHHHAHAHAHA they don't live in the country that first offers them asylum in Europe but they rather move on to more prosperous wealthy nations that have more benefits. Fleeing my ass.
Anonymous
Post 01/29/2017 16:44     Subject: Re:Customs agents refuse to follow court order and continue enforcement the executive order

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They need to be held in contempt and arrested.


ICE agents work for Trump. If they don't follow their boss' order, they would be in contempt.

This is clearly within the authority of the executive branch to implement policies for public safety. The constitutionality of the order will be decided by the supreme court.



Not necessarily. Could be opening to liability.
After Hitler you can't just follow your bosses orders and expect indeminfication.
Anonymous
Post 01/29/2017 16:43     Subject: Re:Customs agents refuse to follow court order and continue enforcement the executive order

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:Send in the US Marshals.


+1. This is what happens next. The Marshals are the Judicial systems law enforcement branch. They go in and compel compliance. The Judge should be able to hold ICE agents in contempts. Possibly jail. But this sets up a scenario when Trump (okay Bannon) tries to stop the marshals (FBI? National Guard? I'm guessing FBI since he has Comey in his pocket). And it could get very ugly, very fast, and what happens next is unpredictable. We have three branches of government for a reason. And whether you support Trump or not, this should disturb you greatly. Because Trump just have the Constitution the big middle finger.

Trump should have taken Mr. Kahn's pocket copy of the Constitution and read it. Also, I'm pretty sure Trump does not know the difference between a green card, a student visa, a tourist visa, an H1B visa, a citizen from visa waiver country, and an illegal alien.


either way visitors from any of these countries need to be scrutinized who keep coming back and forth and no more refugees let in. FINALLY someone has the spine and balls to do something about it!!!


All those scary refugees, fleeing persecution. Boo!
Anonymous
Post 01/29/2017 16:40     Subject: Re:Customs agents refuse to follow court order and continue enforcement the executive order

Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:Send in the US Marshals.


+1. This is what happens next. The Marshals are the Judicial systems law enforcement branch. They go in and compel compliance. The Judge should be able to hold ICE agents in contempts. Possibly jail. But this sets up a scenario when Trump (okay Bannon) tries to stop the marshals (FBI? National Guard? I'm guessing FBI since he has Comey in his pocket). And it could get very ugly, very fast, and what happens next is unpredictable. We have three branches of government for a reason. And whether you support Trump or not, this should disturb you greatly. Because Trump just have the Constitution the big middle finger.

Trump should have taken Mr. Kahn's pocket copy of the Constitution and read it. Also, I'm pretty sure Trump does not know the difference between a green card, a student visa, a tourist visa, an H1B visa, a citizen from visa waiver country, and an illegal alien.


either way visitors from any of these countries need to be scrutinized who keep coming back and forth and no more refugees let in. FINALLY someone has the spine and balls to do something about it!!!
Anonymous
Post 01/29/2017 16:38     Subject: Customs agents refuse to follow court order and continue enforcement the executive order

Anonymous wrote:And to make it more interesting, Sens Graham and McCain just issues a statement just savaging the EO and basically calling Trump incompetent for "not thinking it out." Looks like the Republican Party just found it's spine. Congress should move quickly on this. Them plus Collins, and it looks like Congress's first action will be to slap Trump around.


Eh. McCain and Graham are hardly the voice of the GOP. Ryan and McConnell are.