Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 14:27     Subject: Re:Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
Anonymous wrote:If people want to be pro choice that is their right. But abortion is the choice to kill a baby.


Do you support abortion in the cases of rape or incest? When the life of the mother is endangered?

If so, you are okay with that choice in some circumstances, just not ones you disapprove of.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 14:25     Subject: Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Help me understand.

I am a middle class 30 year old married woman. I am pro-life but believe in abortion for extreme circumstances such as rape, health of the mother being in danger and possibly fetus abnormalities. I pray and wish to never have to make this horrible decision in my life.

As such, I do not understand why this is such a widespread issue. For most everyday people...they will not have to hopefully deal with it. We don;t all want to abort as a plan B now do we?


Its actually the most common surgical procedure women have. you think you don't know a woman who has had one but I think its around 1/4th of all women have it. Its also about general control of ones own body and life. Historically women have been property of men in all ways. Controlling womens reproductive rights is another way that manifests itself.


So the way women protect themselves from men is to turn around and kill their babies.


This is the kind of irrational conversation I was talking about up thread! You don't change minds or make people think about their decisions with this kind of attitude. Period. There are a lot of people explaining their perspectives thoughtfully on this thread and your response is about women "killing their babies." How do we talk to you? Why do you bother commenting at all?


Calling it for what it is- is not being irrational.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 14:24     Subject: Re:Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
If people want to be pro choice that is their right. But abortion is the choice to kill a baby.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 14:22     Subject: Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
Anonymous wrote:Can the government force me to give a blood transfusion to save someone else? Nope. And that's a real live born person.

Then the government cannot force me to incubate a pregnancy.

"But the fetus is there because of your irresponsible choices!"

Doesn't matter. If the government can't force me to give up my bodily autonomy to save another, then that's sacrosanct. When you bring in "but your choices!" at that point you are legislating pregnancy and childbirth as punishment for having sex that you don't want me to have.

It has zero to do with saving a life, or you'd be pushing for laws to require people to donate organs or blood.



+1000
It legislates another human being's body and life, which is unacceptable, rooted in the patriarchal premise that fetal cells are somehow more important than the life and well-being of the woman on whom its life potential depends. But it is not life, only potential, therefore is the woman's decision to make based on whatever factors are important to her. Once the fetus is viable outside the womb, that is another story, and there are laws that account for that (indeed well before).
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 14:22     Subject: Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
Anonymous wrote:Can the government force me to give a blood transfusion to save someone else? Nope. And that's a real live born person.

Then the government cannot force me to incubate a pregnancy.

"But the fetus is there because of your irresponsible choices!"

Doesn't matter. If the government can't force me to give up my bodily autonomy to save another, then that's sacrosanct. When you bring in "but your choices!" at that point you are legislating pregnancy and childbirth as punishment for having sex that you don't want me to have.

It has zero to do with saving a life, or you'd be pushing for laws to require people to donate organs or blood.


An analogy even more fitting since it adds in a culpability element, if you drive drunk and smash into a person and they require multiple blood transfusions and you are a match would you like the government to forcibly take your blood? Even if doing so risks your own life because you suffered injuries as well?

How about if you're not drunk you just got distracted and its the same scenario?

Of course the answer is no, because we don't ask one human to risk their life unwillingly to save another human. It just isn't how the world works.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 14:21     Subject: Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
Parenthood shouldn't be a punishment for making a mistake. Especially considering the majority of single parents in this country are WOMEN.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 14:18     Subject: Re:Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, but do you know any woman who has had a "frivolous abortion?" This is pretty antithetical. I would guess in VERY rare instances is it as "frivolous" as you might assume.


+1. I used to think a lot like you did, OP. I'm currently pregnant after a birth control failure (taken correctly, etc.) with my fourth child. I cannot financially afford another child, and my last pregnancy was very hard on my health (although not enough that a pregnancy would clearly cause my death). We are struggling mightily with what to do, and this is anything but "frivolous." Nevertheless, it wouldn't be covered by what you think is acceptable.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 14:18     Subject: Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Help me understand.

I am a middle class 30 year old married woman. I am pro-life but believe in abortion for extreme circumstances such as rape, health of the mother being in danger and possibly fetus abnormalities. I pray and wish to never have to make this horrible decision in my life.

As such, I do not understand why this is such a widespread issue. For most everyday people...they will not have to hopefully deal with it. We don;t all want to abort as a plan B now do we?


Its actually the most common surgical procedure women have. you think you don't know a woman who has had one but I think its around 1/4th of all women have it. Its also about general control of ones own body and life. Historically women have been property of men in all ways. Controlling womens reproductive rights is another way that manifests itself.


So the way women protect themselves from men is to turn around and kill their babies.


This is the kind of irrational conversation I was talking about up thread! You don't change minds or make people think about their decisions with this kind of attitude. Period. There are a lot of people explaining their perspectives thoughtfully on this thread and your response is about women "killing their babies." How do we talk to you? Why do you bother commenting at all?
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 14:15     Subject: Re:Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
Anonymous wrote:I was born to a poor unwed mother 1 year before abortions became legal. My mother is a liberal and I know she would have aborted me if it were legal. I am really glad to be on this planet as are my children. I got myself out of poverty. When I was in my 20's over half of my college educated friends had abortions because they were not married and having a baby did not fit their plan. Life begins at conception and it has nothing to do with religion. It is pure biology.


That answers op's question to why it is a personal issue. People have strong feelings based on personal experience.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 14:13     Subject: Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Help me understand.

I am a middle class 30 year old married woman. I am pro-life but believe in abortion for extreme circumstances such as rape, health of the mother being in danger and possibly fetus abnormalities. I pray and wish to never have to make this horrible decision in my life.

As such, I do not understand why this is such a widespread issue. For most everyday people...they will not have to hopefully deal with it. We don;t all want to abort as a plan B now do we?


Its actually the most common surgical procedure women have. you think you don't know a woman who has had one but I think its around 1/4th of all women have it. Its also about general control of ones own body and life. Historically women have been property of men in all ways. Controlling womens reproductive rights is another way that manifests itself.


So the way women protect themselves from men is to turn around and kill their babies.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 14:08     Subject: Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
Anonymous wrote:Can the government force me to give a blood transfusion to save someone else? Nope. And that's a real live born person.

Then the government cannot force me to incubate a pregnancy.

"But the fetus is there because of your irresponsible choices!"

Doesn't matter. If the government can't force me to give up my bodily autonomy to save another, then that's sacrosanct. When you bring in "but your choices!" at that point you are legislating pregnancy and childbirth as punishment for having sex that you don't want me to have.

It has zero to do with saving a life, or you'd be pushing for laws to require people to donate organs or blood.


My mom is an OB and had to watch her patient (a Jehovah's Witness) die because she wouldn't accept a blood transfusion. That baby was left without a mother and got to watch her mom sign over the papers to refuse the transfusion.

Government should have no authority over people's bodies.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 14:08     Subject: Re:Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
Anonymous wrote:Reminds me of the saying that everyone who is pro-choice has already been born.


Unless you believe in reincarnation.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 14:05     Subject: Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
Can the government force me to give a blood transfusion to save someone else? Nope. And that's a real live born person.

Then the government cannot force me to incubate a pregnancy.

"But the fetus is there because of your irresponsible choices!"

Doesn't matter. If the government can't force me to give up my bodily autonomy to save another, then that's sacrosanct. When you bring in "but your choices!" at that point you are legislating pregnancy and childbirth as punishment for having sex that you don't want me to have.

It has zero to do with saving a life, or you'd be pushing for laws to require people to donate organs or blood.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 14:00     Subject: Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are a wide variety of reasons why someone may choose abortion. That is a serious decision for that person and her doctor to make. Not me. And certainly not the government.

The thing that I don't get is why pro-lifers stop caring about that life after it's born.


Why do you think they don't care?

Also I said that I am okay with abortion for extremely unfortunate circumstances. If a pregnancy is not viable or a danger to the mother, that is okay and should be legal everywhere. My issue is with frivolous abortions.


Define frivolous. The women I know who have had abortions have never used that term or anything like it when describing their decisions. The use of that word just sounds like another way to belittle their decisions and make it easier for the rest of us to stand by when their options are taken away. (and why not take away that choice, it's just "frivolous")
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 13:59     Subject: Why is abortion such a personal issue for most women?
Anonymous wrote:Help me understand.

I am a middle class 30 year old married woman. I am pro-life but believe in abortion for extreme circumstances such as rape, health of the mother being in danger and possibly fetus abnormalities. I pray and wish to never have to make this horrible decision in my life.

As such, I do not understand why this is such a widespread issue. For most everyday people...they will not have to hopefully deal with it. We don;t all want to abort as a plan B now do we?


Its actually the most common surgical procedure women have. you think you don't know a woman who has had one but I think its around 1/4th of all women have it. Its also about general control of ones own body and life. Historically women have been property of men in all ways. Controlling womens reproductive rights is another way that manifests itself.