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Anonymous wrote:I really don't understand why so many people here can't comprehend that most people who voted for Trump, really voted against Hilary, that it has nothing to do with her being a woman. Press has long abandoned any semblance of civility or impartiality either way. The fact that main stream media vilified Trump and he still won, should be a wake up sign that real American people are not fools educated liberals take them for. Why would democratic party run a horse that already lost once before? I know, I know she won the popular vote, but she didn't win the election. I am not a Trumpist at all.

I think people DO comprehend that people were voting against Hillary.

I don't like the way the NYT piece so obviously edited answers, but it did do a good job of showing that voting decisions may have the appearance of being objective - even to the person who made them. But they're actually more emotion than anything and emotions can't be explained well.

I thought it was interesting that almost all of the women in the article supported values and policy espoused by Clinton - they're feminist, pro-choice, pro-gay marriage - and that they all felt the same dismay at Trump's behavior that she expressed. But they each pivoted to something negative about Clinton while lauding that very thing in Trump.

I think this is a good thing, and gives me hope for the future.
It was not a rejection of those policies, it was a rejection of HRC, the candidate. This is why it makes sense for some of these Trump voters to participate in the Women's March.
(BTW, many people voted for Obama because they liked the man, not necessarily the polices, which to me is equally crazy)

It does not make sense to me because I vote based on policies always, but others vote for the person, and of the two people they did not like, they chose Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:Every woman in my family voted for Trump, all 7 of us. Hillary appealed to none of us. And we don't need Trump to take care of us, false. Women who vote for Hillary want the gov to hand out health care, SNAP, section 8, etc, and take care of them and their families.

Proof that the NYT didn't have to search hard to find stupid women who voted for Trump.

Women with college degrees didn't favor Trump - women without college degrees voted for him by wide margins. As Trump himself once said, he loves the uneducated. And the uneducated love him too.

Wow, I forgot about that comment. I remember thinking at the time he said it that he had just been briefed on his target audience.

I also wondered who and how anyone could be so proud of being uneducated that they'd feel Trump was speaking directly to them. The very comment is an insult wrapped in flattery, but Trump knows the minds of his audience well - perhaps because he's just like them. Flattery works.

Maybe the over educated could learn from the uneducated. Some of the best business people I work with are first generation immigrants and gutsy Americans who built a business on hard work. My IT guy's father has a PhD and his son has a GED and employs over 100 people.

You're missing the point. Or maybe just exploiting it in the same way that Trump did. The point is not that a college degree is required for success. It's that a lack of a college degree is being celebrated as a point of pride.

Getting an education IS hard work. And many Americans could learn something from the immigrant examples in your post.

The Democrats were treating lack of a college degree as a moral failing. "The uneducated" can either side with a guy who props them up as an example to emulate, or side with a group who thinks they're morally lacking. Which would you choose, in their shoes?

I would choose neither, but I'm not in the group being sacrificed by the Democrats or gained by Trump.

I would disagree. Republican media like Fox and Breitbart spreads non-stop propaganda that the democrats are only in favor of government spending that favors the urban poor, which their audience is trained to interpret as poor blacks. Further, the message is that the white middle class is financing this give away. This audience has no interest in learning about what the policies of democrats actually are.

It is actually ingenious. Foster racial warfare so that the working class whites don't realize that it is really the one percent, and even more so, the .01 percent, that benefit when Republicans are in power. If the working and middle class were united, Republican policies would not fly.

Yes, this, and that most people on welfare are white. So when Republicans play this game - and they do it well - what white and working class Americans often assume is that only black/latinos/insert "other" category are the takers of welfare. This isn't true because there are as just as many poor white poeple as other races. Ultimately, it shouldn't matter - of course. But this plays into the skewed narrative that it's just inner city black women on welfare when in fact that's not the case.

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Anonymous wrote:Every woman in my family voted for Trump, all 7 of us. Hillary appealed to none of us. And we don't need Trump to take care of us, false. Women who vote for Hillary want the gov to hand out health care, SNAP, section 8, etc, and take care of them and their families.

Proof that the NYT didn't have to search hard to find stupid women who voted for Trump.

Women with college degrees didn't favor Trump - women without college degrees voted for him by wide margins. As Trump himself once said, he loves the uneducated. And the uneducated love him too.

Wow, I forgot about that comment. I remember thinking at the time he said it that he had just been briefed on his target audience.

I also wondered who and how anyone could be so proud of being uneducated that they'd feel Trump was speaking directly to them. The very comment is an insult wrapped in flattery, but Trump knows the minds of his audience well - perhaps because he's just like them. Flattery works.

Maybe the over educated could learn from the uneducated. Some of the best business people I work with are first generation immigrants and gutsy Americans who built a business on hard work. My IT guy's father has a PhD and his son has a GED and employs over 100 people.

You're missing the point. Or maybe just exploiting it in the same way that Trump did. The point is not that a college degree is required for success. It's that a lack of a college degree is being celebrated as a point of pride.

Getting an education IS hard work. And many Americans could learn something from the immigrant examples in your post.

The Democrats were treating lack of a college degree as a moral failing. "The uneducated" can either side with a guy who props them up as an example to emulate, or side with a group who thinks they're morally lacking. Which would you choose, in their shoes?

I would choose neither, but I'm not in the group being sacrificed by the Democrats or gained by Trump.

I would disagree. Republican media like Fox and Breitbart spreads non-stop propaganda that the democrats are only in favor of government spending that favors the urban poor, which their audience is trained to interpret as poor blacks. Further, the message is that the white middle class is financing this give away. This audience has no interest in learning about what the policies of democrats actually are.

It is actually ingenious. Foster racial warfare so that the working class whites don't realize that it is really the one percent, and even more so, the .01 percent, that benefit when Republicans are in power. If the working and middle class were united, Republican policies would not fly.

Yes, very true.

In any case, the future belongs to the educated, whether one likes it or not, and Trump and GOP can't do a thing about it.
This is true no matter whom you vote for.

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Anonymous wrote:Every woman in my family voted for Trump, all 7 of us. Hillary appealed to none of us. And we don't need Trump to take care of us, false. Women who vote for Hillary want the gov to hand out health care, SNAP, section 8, etc, and take care of them and their families.

Proof that the NYT didn't have to search hard to find stupid women who voted for Trump.

Women with college degrees didn't favor Trump - women without college degrees voted for him by wide margins. As Trump himself once said, he loves the uneducated. And the uneducated love him too.

Wow, I forgot about that comment. I remember thinking at the time he said it that he had just been briefed on his target audience.

I also wondered who and how anyone could be so proud of being uneducated that they'd feel Trump was speaking directly to them. The very comment is an insult wrapped in flattery, but Trump knows the minds of his audience well - perhaps because he's just like them. Flattery works.

Maybe the over educated could learn from the uneducated. Some of the best business people I work with are first generation immigrants and gutsy Americans who built a business on hard work. My IT guy's father has a PhD and his son has a GED and employs over 100 people.

You're missing the point. Or maybe just exploiting it in the same way that Trump did. The point is not that a college degree is required for success. It's that a lack of a college degree is being celebrated as a point of pride.

Getting an education IS hard work. And many Americans could learn something from the immigrant examples in your post.

The Democrats were treating lack of a college degree as a moral failing. "The uneducated" can either side with a guy who props them up as an example to emulate, or side with a group who thinks they're morally lacking. Which would you choose, in their shoes?

I would choose neither, but I'm not in the group being sacrificed by the Democrats or gained by Trump.

I would disagree. Republican media like Fox and Breitbart spreads non-stop propaganda that the democrats are only in favor of government spending that favors the urban poor, which their audience is trained to interpret as poor blacks. Further, the message is that the white middle class is financing this give away. This audience has no interest in learning about what the policies of democrats actually are.

It is actually ingenious. Foster racial warfare so that the working class whites don't realize that it is really the one percent, and even more so, the .01 percent, that benefit when Republicans are in power. If the working and middle class were united, Republican policies would not fly.

The Democrats were treating lack of a college degree as a moral failing. "The uneducated" can either side with a guy who props them up as an example to emulate, or side with a group who thinks they're morally lacking. Which would you choose, in their shoes?

I would choose neither, but I'm not in the group being sacrificed by the Democrats or gained by Trump.

No, that's not true. American culture treats poverty as a moral failing. It's hard to accept the idea that if you don't have wealth it's because you don't deserve it, but that's the gift of Republican policy.

If you don't have access to something essential to upward mobility - education, health care, strong social networks - there's nothing left but to devalue those things. It doesn't mean those things are not essential.

Now Trump, Republicans and their supporters are in a Catch-22: the supporters have raised the demand for a fix, but their elected leaders have rejected out of hand the fixes that would improve their situation.

I think the hope that Trump wants to "shake things up" is well-founded because he has. But his ability to fix things is pretty clearly not up to the task.

Anonymous wrote:I really don't understand why so many people here can't comprehend that most people who voted for Trump, really voted against Hilary, that it has nothing to do with her being a woman. Press has long abandoned any semblance of civility or impartiality either way. The fact that main stream media vilified Trump and he still won, should be a wake up sign that real American people are not fools educated liberals take them for. Why would democratic party run a horse that already lost once before? I know, I know she won the popular vote, but she didn't win the election. I am not a Trumpist at all.

I think people DO comprehend that people were voting against Hillary.

I don't like the way the NYT piece so obviously edited answers, but it did do a good job of showing that voting decisions may have the appearance of being objective - even to the person who made them. But they're actually more emotion than anything and emotions can't be explained well.

I thought it was interesting that almost all of the women in the article supported values and policy espoused by Clinton - they're feminist, pro-choice, pro-gay marriage - and that they all felt the same dismay at Trump's behavior that she expressed. But they each pivoted to something negative about Clinton while lauding that very thing in Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:Every woman in my family voted for Trump, all 7 of us. Hillary appealed to none of us. And we don't need Trump to take care of us, false. Women who vote for Hillary want the gov to hand out health care, SNAP, section 8, etc, and take care of them and their families.

Proof that the NYT didn't have to search hard to find stupid women who voted for Trump.

Women with college degrees didn't favor Trump - women without college degrees voted for him by wide margins. As Trump himself once said, he loves the uneducated. And the uneducated love him too.

Wow, I forgot about that comment. I remember thinking at the time he said it that he had just been briefed on his target audience.

I also wondered who and how anyone could be so proud of being uneducated that they'd feel Trump was speaking directly to them. The very comment is an insult wrapped in flattery, but Trump knows the minds of his audience well - perhaps because he's just like them. Flattery works.

Maybe the over educated could learn from the uneducated. Some of the best business people I work with are first generation immigrants and gutsy Americans who built a business on hard work. My IT guy's father has a PhD and his son has a GED and employs over 100 people.

You're missing the point. Or maybe just exploiting it in the same way that Trump did. The point is not that a college degree is required for success. It's that a lack of a college degree is being celebrated as a point of pride.

Getting an education IS hard work. And many Americans could learn something from the immigrant examples in your post.

The Democrats were treating lack of a college degree as a moral failing. "The uneducated" can either side with a guy who props them up as an example to emulate, or side with a group who thinks they're morally lacking. Which would you choose, in their shoes?

I would choose neither, but I'm not in the group being sacrificed by the Democrats or gained by Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:Every woman in my family voted for Trump, all 7 of us. Hillary appealed to none of us. And we don't need Trump to take care of us, false. Women who vote for Hillary want the gov to hand out health care, SNAP, section 8, etc, and take care of them and their families.

Proof that the NYT didn't have to search hard to find stupid women who voted for Trump.

Women with college degrees didn't favor Trump - women without college degrees voted for him by wide margins. As Trump himself once said, he loves the uneducated. And the uneducated love him too.

Wow, I forgot about that comment. I remember thinking at the time he said it that he had just been briefed on his target audience.

I also wondered who and how anyone could be so proud of being uneducated that they'd feel Trump was speaking directly to them. The very comment is an insult wrapped in flattery, but Trump knows the minds of his audience well - perhaps because he's just like them. Flattery works.

Trump said that in response to hit pieces talking about how the uneducated prefer Trump. Trump, knowing how to work people, absolutely embraced them. The other side was demeaning and criticizing, he opened his arms.

It's something to think about.

He didn't embrace them. He played them by convincing them he had. He will do nothing for them and looks down on them as much as the "liberal elites" if not more.

I agree that he doesn't have any particular affinity for them beyond the appreciation they offer him.

But the Democrats could have embraced and accepted them too, instead of criticizing them and demeaning them. Many of the uneducated lack the opportunity to go to college. You'd think that would be a ready made group for the Democrats to court. But they preferred to use them as a point of mockery.

Anonymous wrote:I really don't understand why so many people here can't comprehend that most people who voted for Trump, really voted against Hilary, that it has nothing to do with her being a woman. Press has long abandoned any semblance of civility or impartiality either way. The fact that main stream media vilified Trump and he still won, should be a wake up sign that real American people are not fools educated liberals take them for. Why would democratic party run a horse that already lost once before? I know, I know she won the popular vote, but she didn't win the election. I am not a Trumpist at all.

They voted against Hillary to their own detriment. That's what makes them stupid and the object of ridicule. very definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face.!

I really don't understand why so many people here can't comprehend that most people who voted for Trump, really voted against Hilary, that it has nothing to do with her being a woman. Press has long abandoned any semblance of civility or impartiality either way. The fact that main stream media vilified Trump and he still won, should be a wake up sign that real American people are not fools educated liberals take them for. Why would democratic party run a horse that already lost once before? I know, I know she won the popular vote, but she didn't win the election. I am not a Trumpist at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Every woman in my family voted for Trump, all 7 of us. Hillary appealed to none of us. And we don't need Trump to take care of us, false. Women who vote for Hillary want the gov to hand out health care, SNAP, section 8, etc, and take care of them and their families.

Proof that the NYT didn't have to search hard to find stupid women who voted for Trump.

Women with college degrees didn't favor Trump - women without college degrees voted for him by wide margins. As Trump himself once said, he loves the uneducated. And the uneducated love him too.

Wow, I forgot about that comment. I remember thinking at the time he said it that he had just been briefed on his target audience.

I also wondered who and how anyone could be so proud of being uneducated that they'd feel Trump was speaking directly to them. The very comment is an insult wrapped in flattery, but Trump knows the minds of his audience well - perhaps because he's just like them. Flattery works.

Trump said that in response to hit pieces talking about how the uneducated prefer Trump. Trump, knowing how to work people, absolutely embraced them. The other side was demeaning and criticizing, he opened his arms.

It's something to think about.

It's already been thought about. And talked about. You're calling it "hit pieces."

What we haven't talked about is the subterranean level of expectation people have in their government. That's not Donald Trump's fault, but the exploitation of it is. He's basically returning the favor or, more accurately, the insult.

I think the subterranean level of expectation people have in the government- even the people who have voted for Trump and GOP this time, is the big take away of this election. That's what is prompting me to say that despite the results of the election 'the days of small government are over'.

I don't know what makes you think that considering the cabinet appointments made and the uncharacteristically hard work the Republican-led Congress is putting into dismantling policy. It looks to me like they want to reduce government to rubble and then tell voters they asked for it.

Health care is the most glaring example, but environmental and workforce protections are on their way to the curb.

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Anonymous wrote:These women sound like domestic abuse victims. Same mindset.

Yes most Hillary supporters are.

Go home, you're drunk.

Anonymous wrote:These women sound like domestic abuse victims. Same mindset.

Yes most Hillary supporters are.

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Anonymous wrote:Every woman in my family voted for Trump, all 7 of us. Hillary appealed to none of us. And we don't need Trump to take care of us, false. Women who vote for Hillary want the gov to hand out health care, SNAP, section 8, etc, and take care of them and their families.

Proof that the NYT didn't have to search hard to find stupid women who voted for Trump.

They were afraid to talk to New York or Washington women who voted for Trump. NYT loves to perpetuate stereotypes

Based on the posts on this thread by Trumpkins, doubtful.

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Anonymous wrote:Every woman in my family voted for Trump, all 7 of us. Hillary appealed to none of us. And we don't need Trump to take care of us, false. Women who vote for Hillary want the gov to hand out health care, SNAP, section 8, etc, and take care of them and their families.

Proof that the NYT didn't have to search hard to find stupid women who voted for Trump.

Women with college degrees didn't favor Trump - women without college degrees voted for him by wide margins. As Trump himself once said, he loves the uneducated. And the uneducated love him too.

Wow, I forgot about that comment. I remember thinking at the time he said it that he had just been briefed on his target audience.

I also wondered who and how anyone could be so proud of being uneducated that they'd feel Trump was speaking directly to them. The very comment is an insult wrapped in flattery, but Trump knows the minds of his audience well - perhaps because he's just like them. Flattery works.

Maybe the over educated could learn from the uneducated. Some of the best business people I work with are first generation immigrants and gutsy Americans who built a business on hard work. My IT guy's father has a PhD and his son has a GED and employs over 100 people.

You're missing the point. Or maybe just exploiting it in the same way that Trump did. The point is not that a college degree is required for success. It's that a lack of a college degree is being celebrated as a point of pride.

Getting an education IS hard work. And many Americans could learn something from the immigrant examples in your post.