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jsteele wrote:Which one of those resolutions do you find offensive? They sound like common sense to me.

The premise itself is offensive and hypocritical. The underlying assumption here that it's accurate and acceptable to attribute behavior/ideology to a group based on race/gender.

It seems to me that you either (a) believe in judging people as individuals, based on their words/actions, or (b) you believe in judging people based on their group "identity".

As a matter of principle, most don't tolerate judging people based on identity--it's anathema to our ideals.

So why then is it acceptable when it comes to white men?

Sincere question--I've never understood how people could justify this apparent inconsistency as a matter of principle.

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Double standards are simply the way in which liberals operate. That, and identity politics.

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Anonymous wrote:The war against white men, it's been the mantra for years now and if you have a white son you personally have seen the affects of this on their self esteem. That is, if your being honest. Black people are not the only oppressed group, but you keep carrying this hate in your minds for white men and the dens will not see high office again. White men are what built this country and died in the thousands to fight for property rights in the civil war to free people of ownership, to name just a few things. We seem to forget just how much white men live this country and their fellow countrymen. God I can't wait for Obama to get his decisive lying ass out.

yikes.

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I'm a black American who's deeply opposed to the MTV video and other things like it because of people like the first PP quoted. They have a deep victim mentality, paranoia, and fear about their increasingly-worse situation in this nation- their high suicide rates, rising rates of addiction and subsequent deaths, worsening economic and job outlook, and decreasing family stability. Instead of blaming themselves- as these men have previously blamed disadvantaged groups for their own poor situation- they lash out, blaming other groups and societal factors. They have a victim complex. Unfortunately, much of liberal politics reinforces this with drivel like the MTV video- so now not only do they have this internal rage and lack of personal responsibility, they have tangible proof of "others" disparaging them.

This is not a good thing. This is not politically savvy for liberals. It might feel good to do, but you are fueling the hateful "opposition" and giving them evidence they can use to recruit others to extremist views.

Nice try at some big-time, racist, anti-white condescension, but in reality....

....us white folks just shake our heads and giggle at stupid stuff like this. For you to fantasize that white people are all outraged and upset about it just feeds into your own delusions of a power you don't have. You'll certainly never get it by aping the racist attitudes that have been used against your people for many generations.

(Ooooh did I just call you an "ape"?)

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Anonymous wrote:I'm white and my problem with it is not that I am offended by it. I think it's bad for where our country is right now and counterproductive to fixing a "divided nation" which people from all races/groups/beliefs are concerned about. Like someone else said, it might feel good, but it's not helping us. Kind of like jabbing an insult at your spouse in a disagreement may feel good in the moment, but it causes damage and is bad for the relationship overall.

Well, the solution for dealing with this divided country certainly doesn't begin with pretending the issues don't exist or not allowing anyone to talk about it. Yes, it's uncomfortable. But real life requires dealing with uncomfortable situations. Until people start acknowledging that yes, there are in fact discriminatory behaviors and hate crimes and other things happening because of race, gender, ethnicity and we all start dealing with it in an effective way, nothing will ever change. Evil happens because good people stand by and do nothing. When someone on the left condemns racist neo-nazis like Richard Spencer, there really isn't any valid, responsible or ethical reason why good people on the right can't or shouldn't also join in to condemn them other than partisan tribalism - and that partisan tribalism just reinforces the divide.

Your points are exactly correct and your conclusions dead wrong.

The way to address discriminatory behavior is to confront it as wrong b/c it is anathema to our ideals.

But the MTV approach is to confront discriminatory behavior by ... being discriminatory.

That approach results in the partisan backlash and absurd hypocrisy by both sides.

Hmmm... Interesting. So the freakout and hysteria is about a perception of something being discriminatory toward white men. How awful that is. And how unacceptable.

Gee, now maybe think about the same thing, except substitute blacks or latinos or gays, et cetera and take note of the fact that you weren't freaking out when the discrimination was targeting them.

See the problem?

No.

Your assumptions are incorrect.

The issue is not the target here (white men), but rather the principle of group-based stereotyping and judgment.

I do "freak out" (if by "freak out" you mean speak out against) about discrimination against any group.

Now that we've straightened that out, please explain the problem to me.

Anonymous wrote:I'm white and my problem with it is not that I am offended by it. I think it's bad for where our country is right now and counterproductive to fixing a "divided nation" which people from all races/groups/beliefs are concerned about. Like someone else said, it might feel good, but it's not helping us. Kind of like jabbing an insult at your spouse in a disagreement may feel good in the moment, but it causes damage and is bad for the relationship overall.

Anonymous wrote:Privileged people seriously need to wake up.

It's a shame that video was taken down.

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jsteele wrote:Which one of those resolutions do you find offensive? They sound like common sense to me.

Race baiting is offensive regardless of who is being targeted. Or is race baiting just common sense now?

Did you listen to the resolutions? There is really nothing offensive. I guess your only quibble is that they are aimed at "white men", but really they are useful ideas for anyone.

During the years that I have moderated DCUM, I have read countless posts telling black people to "get over it" or to stop having chips on their shoulder and to lighten up. For the past several months, the most resentful people on DCUM have been white people. I have never encountered such a sensitive group. Every single little slight no manner how innocuous is a "reason that Trump won". Okay, Trump won because white people have hurt feelings (oops, that comment is another reason Trump won). I get it. That doesn't mean nobody can ever say the word "white" again.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm white and my problem with it is not that I am offended by it. I think it's bad for where our country is right now and counterproductive to fixing a "divided nation" which people from all races/groups/beliefs are concerned about. Like someone else said, it might feel good, but it's not helping us. Kind of like jabbing an insult at your spouse in a disagreement may feel good in the moment, but it causes damage and is bad for the relationship overall.

Well, the solution for dealing with this divided country certainly doesn't begin with pretending the issues don't exist or not allowing anyone to talk about it. Yes, it's uncomfortable. But real life requires dealing with uncomfortable situations. Until people start acknowledging that yes, there are in fact discriminatory behaviors and hate crimes and other things happening because of race, gender, ethnicity and we all start dealing with it in an effective way, nothing will ever change. Evil happens because good people stand by and do nothing. When someone on the left condemns racist neo-nazis like Richard Spencer, there really isn't any valid, responsible or ethical reason why good people on the right can't or shouldn't also join in to condemn them other than partisan tribalism - and that partisan tribalism just reinforces the divide.

Your points are exactly correct and your conclusions dead wrong.

The way to address discriminatory behavior is to confront it as wrong b/c it is anathema to our ideals.

But the MTV approach is to confront discriminatory behavior by ... being discriminatory.

That approach results in the partisan backlash and absurd hypocrisy by both sides.

Hmmm... Interesting. So the freakout and hysteria is about a perception of something being discriminatory toward white men. How awful that is. And how unacceptable.

Gee, now maybe think about the same thing, except substitute blacks or latinos or gays, et cetera and take note of the fact that you weren't freaking out when the discrimination was targeting them.

See the problem?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm white and my problem with it is not that I am offended by it. I think it's bad for where our country is right now and counterproductive to fixing a "divided nation" which people from all races/groups/beliefs are concerned about. Like someone else said, it might feel good, but it's not helping us. Kind of like jabbing an insult at your spouse in a disagreement may feel good in the moment, but it causes damage and is bad for the relationship overall.

Well, the solution for dealing with this divided country certainly doesn't begin with pretending the issues don't exist or not allowing anyone to talk about it. Yes, it's uncomfortable. But real life requires dealing with uncomfortable situations. Until people start acknowledging that yes, there are in fact discriminatory behaviors and hate crimes and other things happening because of race, gender, ethnicity and we all start dealing with it in an effective way, nothing will ever change. Evil happens because good people stand by and do nothing. When someone on the left condemns racist neo-nazis like Richard Spencer, there really isn't any valid, responsible or ethical reason why good people on the right can't or shouldn't also join in to condemn them other than partisan tribalism - and that partisan tribalism just reinforces the divide.

Your points are exactly correct and your conclusions dead wrong.

The way to address discriminatory behavior is to confront it as wrong b/c it is anathema to our ideals.

But the MTV approach is to confront discriminatory behavior by ... being discriminatory.

That approach results in the partisan backlash and absurd hypocrisy by both sides.

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Anonymous wrote:We need to be honest and have an open conversation about these issues. Having videos like ths are one important way to address issues like that. However, when these videos are removed from Youtube, the people who NEED to see that video are unable to see it. And how is THAT helping the conversation? SMH at this.

I don’t agree at all.
Videos like this are insulting and, quite honestly, comedic.
Those who you think NEED to see this will not be swayed by a condescending, insulting video like this.
Seems to me it is a bunch of millennials preaching to people because THEY think people don’t know any better. Kind of like my millennial children thinking they know everything about life when they have not experienced a fraction of what I have.

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Anonymous wrote:We need to be honest and have an open conversation about these issues. Having videos like ths are one important way to address issues like that. However, when these videos are removed from Youtube, the people who NEED to see that video are unable to see it. And how is THAT helping the conversation? SMH at this.

people were having an honest conversation about it in the comments section - that it was the worst video to grace youtube since the Ghostbusters reboot trailer. However, since the proles were engaging in badthink, it had to come down. There are plenty of reaction videos on youtube now, so yes people can still see the video, and there is a conversation. Just not the one MTV thought we were supposed to have.

Anonymous wrote:We need to be honest and have an open conversation about these issues. Having videos like ths are one important way to address issues like that. However, when these videos are removed from Youtube, the people who NEED to see that video are unable to see it. And how is THAT helping the conversation? SMH at this.

Anonymous wrote:We need to be honest and have an open conversation about these issues. Having videos like ths are one important way to address issues like that. However, when these videos are removed from Youtube, the people who NEED to see that video are unable to see it. And how is THAT helping the conversation? SMH at this.

Anonymous wrote:We need to be honest and have an open conversation about these issues. Having videos like ths are one important way to address issues like that. However, when these videos are removed from Youtube, the people who NEED to see that video are unable to see it. And how is THAT helping the conversation? SMH at this.