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Anonymous wrote:Inappropriate for the cast to have done this.
They had a job to do - entertain.
They failed at that by feeling the need to deliver a partisan political message.

I'm pretty sure the audience was entertained. And most likely agreed with the cast. And if others don't like it, they can sell their tickets to someone else.

Would you be okay with that line of thinking if you attended a show or entertainment venue and heard a "David Duke" type message???

Yes. If they stood up in front of Obama and respectfully said, "Sir, we the cast fear that your policies are damaging to the white race and we hope you will consider that." then, while I might consider them racists and publicize the fact that the cast are racists and people should consider that when thinking about getting tickets, that is their right.

I have no issue with Colin Kapernick taking a knee.

If conservatives object to the fact that the cast of Hamilton are espousing a message, they have the right not to buy tickets.

Words have consequences.

Conversion Thrapy

http://www.snopes.com/mike-pence-supported-gay-conversion-therapy/

And on Fetus Funerals also from Snopes:

The law did something truly bizarre. It would have basically forced women to seek funerary services for a fetus — whether she’d had an abortion or a miscarriage, and no matter how far along the pregnancy was.

The law Pence backed would have required all fetal tissue to be cremated or buried, an unprecedented measure in state law. The law also banned abortion if the fetus had a "disability" — which would have denied women the right to end a pregnancy even in case of serious fetal anomalies.

The wording of the burial provision meant that technically, even if a woman had a miscarriage at eight weeks of pregnancy at home, she would have to keep the blood and tissue, take it to a hospital or clinic, and have it buried or cremated by a funeral home. The law would have also dramatically increased the cost of an abortion, since providers would have had to spend time and money on arranging the funerary services.

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Anonymous wrote:Inappropriate for the cast to have done this.
They had a job to do - entertain.
They failed at that by feeling the need to deliver a partisan political message.

Which part of that message was partisan? That was a direct statement of their feelings and fears to the man who has been elected vice president.

They didn't challenge his legitimacy. They didn't refuse to perform while he was in the audience.

They did their job, and at the end of the show they used their opportunity to ask him to make sure the administration he is a part of represents them, as well.

Sorry, completely inappropriate. The man was just trying to have a pleasant evening out with his family, and he has to be subjected to that.

I feel the same way about coercing women into having a funeral for a fetus..

Which is not a thing that's ever happened in America.

But keep giving your money to Naral. The executives and consultants there are happy to profit from your fear.

Tell it to Pence who offered legislation that would make this mandatory.

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Anonymous wrote:Inappropriate for the cast to have done this.
They had a job to do - entertain.
They failed at that by feeling the need to deliver a partisan political message.

Which part of that message was partisan? That was a direct statement of their feelings and fears to the man who has been elected vice president.

They didn't challenge his legitimacy. They didn't refuse to perform while he was in the audience.

They did their job, and at the end of the show they used their opportunity to ask him to make sure the administration he is a part of represents them, as well.

Sorry, completely inappropriate. The man was just trying to have a pleasant evening out with his family, and he has to be subjected to that.

Why should the government subject a woman to a coerced funeral for a fetus?

Np. Confused? (You're on the wrong thread.)

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Anonymous wrote:It's amusing that celebrities actually think that intelligent person gives two shits about their political views.

I don't even understand why Pence would want to see a show that so vehemently disagrees with his personal view of the world. Did he know there were GAY people in the show?

I am pretty sure Pence knows and respects many gay people.

He probably is in favor of legal unions too, just not to hickacking the traditional "marriage" term, or to forcing Christian wedding planners to work in gay weddings.

Not everything is black or white.

He may, but if he does, then why does he authorize legislation for conversion therapy? That is plain sick.

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Anonymous wrote:It's amusing that celebrities actually think that intelligent person gives two shits about their political views.

I don't even understand why Pence would want to see a show that so vehemently disagrees with his personal view of the world. Did he know there were GAY people in the show?

I am pretty sure Pence knows and respects many gay people.

He probably is in favor of legal unions too, just not to hickacking the traditional "marriage" term, or to forcing Christian wedding planners to work in gay weddings.

Not everything is black or white.

Right. He just thinks they should all have therapy to become not gay.

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i have no problem if the cast member delivered the same message privately after the show (or before). But to do it publicly makes it a partisan and inappropriate statement.

What's next, will national anthem signers at ball games make personal statements in front of 40,000 people after singing the anthem. Will metro train drives start making annoucements over the intercom on the Red Line? Is that also appropriate? No, because that is not the time or place for expressing their personal opinions.

I simply disagree. Well, maybe the WMATA one, because it is quasi-government, but otherwise, entertainers, athletes and regular Americans have the right to express themselves when and where they want. Just because you are uncomfortable with the message doesn't make your opinion right. You probably agree that is ok for a town to display a manger scene at Christmas time (I do), but possibly object to Channukah lights as well? It isn't dis-similar, other than the religious component.

If you don't like it, then don't go to the play or download its soundtrack.

I think if someone is being paid to work or perform, then they are doing a disservice to their employer if they take advantage of their paid position to express personal opinions that are not in any way related to the job they are being paid for.

I give lots of speeches on behalf of my employer. If I expressed highly political or personal opinions during those speeches I would be fired immediately because that is not what I am being paid for and because my actions will certainly alienate some of my employer's potential clients and customers who heard my comments.

If they want to express their opinions while off-duty that is obviously fine with me, but not while on the job.

Their "employer" is Lin Manuel Miranda who, in fact, also wrote the cast's statement to Pence and deliberately cast the play with minorities to make a statement about the importance of diveristy in America; a message with which Trump and Pence and their supporters disagree. There is no employer/employee difference here.

I don't want to hear future complaints from the left about cultural appropriation.

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Anonymous wrote:Inappropriate for the cast to have done this.
They had a job to do - entertain.
They failed at that by feeling the need to deliver a partisan political message.

It does seem arrogant and entitled.

What's arrogant and entitled is Pence demanding tickets to a sold out show for himself, family and secret service.

Provide a source as to this is what happened. How do you know he wasn’t INVITED?
And, did you say the same when Hilary and her gang attended?

It's in all the news articles. He asked.

And yes, I actually do think it's onboxious for big shots to use their clout to get into highly sought after sold out events.

Source?

Here it is. From the original link. (Do you read anything??)

"Seller told The Hollywood Reporter that Pence had requested to attend the performance earlier that day."

This is how every celebrity/famous person goes to a show. You think they save up and buy tickets months in advance?

He probably won't go to another anytime soon though. So good job with the lecture.

SOURCE??!?? Haha. Just kidding, I know.

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Anonymous wrote:It's amusing that celebrities actually think that intelligent person gives two shits about their political views.

I don't even understand why Pence would want to see a show that so vehemently disagrees with his personal view of the world. Did he know there were GAY people in the show?

I am pretty sure Pence knows and respects many gay people.

He probably is in favor of legal unions too, just not to hickacking the traditional "marriage" term, or to forcing Christian wedding planners to work in gay weddings.

Not everything is black or white.

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Anonymous wrote:Inappropriate for the cast to have done this.
They had a job to do - entertain.
They failed at that by feeling the need to deliver a partisan political message.

Which part of that message was partisan? That was a direct statement of their feelings and fears to the man who has been elected vice president.

They didn't challenge his legitimacy. They didn't refuse to perform while he was in the audience.

They did their job, and at the end of the show they used their opportunity to ask him to make sure the administration he is a part of represents them, as well.

Sorry, completely inappropriate. The man was just trying to have a pleasant evening out with his family, and he has to be subjected to that.

I feel the same way about coercing women into having a funeral for a fetus..

Which is not a thing that's ever happened in America.

But keep giving your money to Naral. The executives and consultants there are happy to profit from your fear.

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Exactly right. If your arsenal consists of patronizing lectures and scorn, your weapons suck.

And when your weapon is hate, fear and supression, it is a lot worse.

Is it? Because you lost to whatever trump and pence are selling. How bad does your message have to be to lose against that?

I am not defending Hillary. She lost. This is about the Trump Administration. Please stop deflecting to her.

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Anonymous wrote:Inappropriate for the cast to have done this.
They had a job to do - entertain.
They failed at that by feeling the need to deliver a partisan political message.

It does seem arrogant and entitled.

What's arrogant and entitled is Pence demanding tickets to a sold out show for himself, family and secret service.

Provide a source as to this is what happened. How do you know he wasn’t INVITED?
And, did you say the same when Hilary and her gang attended?

It's in all the news articles. He asked.

And yes, I actually do think it's onboxious for big shots to use their clout to get into highly sought after sold out events.

So, the article says, “he requested tickets.”
Another article I read said this:

The production received Pence's request to attend the night's performance earlier that afternoon, producer Jeffrey Seller told The Hollywood Reporter after the show. Rather than rejecting his request, the show — which has participated in multiple Democratic fundraisers throughout the presidential election season and held weekly voter registration drives outside the theater — opted for the unique curtain call.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hamilton-broadway-cast-addresses-mike-pence-audience-work-behalf-all-us-949075

This is a far cry from your statement that he “demanded.”

I'm thinking the Obama's have been subjected to far worse, as have the majority of brown-skinned people living in Murrica. White bubble.

How does the theater suddenly have empty seats to give to Pence, or anyone with last-minute requests?

Well done, LMM and the rest. Pence needs to get confronted with the views he disagrees with and confronted, respectfully, by the people he's trying to harm or affect. That's democracy. Expressing viewpoints and protesting. Why should he be in a protected bubble?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Inappropriate for the cast to have done this.
They had a job to do - entertain.
They failed at that by feeling the need to deliver a partisan political message.

It does seem arrogant and entitled.

What's arrogant and entitled is Pence demanding tickets to a sold out show for himself, family and secret service.

Provide a source as to this is what happened. How do you know he wasn’t INVITED?
And, did you say the same when Hilary and her gang attended?

It's in all the news articles. He asked.

And yes, I actually do think it's onboxious for big shots to use their clout to get into highly sought after sold out events.

Source?

Here it is. From the original link. (Do you read anything??)

"Seller told The Hollywood Reporter that Pence had requested to attend the performance earlier that day."

This is how every celebrity/famous person goes to a show. You think they save up and buy tickets months in advance?

He probably won't go to another anytime soon though. So good job with the lecture.