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Anonymous wrote:How long until brown skinned people are forced to produce citizenship documents in order to buy groceries or walk on a public street?

How long until you learn to stay on topic?

oh I thought the topic was wacko conspiracy theories and their associated straw men. My bad.

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Anonymous wrote:How long do immigrants in this country have to wait until they get their hands on all the goodies - free medical, food stamps, welfare, subsidized housing, and so forth? Its an important question since the majority of them are on government assistance.

HilllRy wants to pave a path so the illegals can become citizens, but of course most of they will eventually require taxpayer-funded support. So if we are to bend the rules, ignore the fact that they broke the rules, and allow them to become citizens, I think it's only fair that we should have a requirement that they must be self-sufficient. I've heard there's a five-year wait for legal immigrants, so we can't reward illegals by giving them the same wait. I'd say....10 years. Thoughts?

Educated, self-sufficient, and law-abiding legal immigrants are always welcome in this country. I am speaking of ILLEGAL immigrants.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/01/immigrant-welfare-use-report/71517072/

My parents were uneducated, poor legal immigrants, and at times were on food stamps. They have now paid more into the system than they get back. I have also paid waaay more into the system earning six figures a year in the past 10 yrs than I will ever get back; same for my sibling. You are quite ignorant.

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Read what you or the PP wrote, in bolded -- "educated, self sufficient" -- those seem to the only types of immigrants that PP or you want. My point is that a there are lots of uneducated legal immigrants that end up paying more into the system eventually.

We want LEGAL immigrants. Education can come with time. L-E-G-A-L. Controlled immigration. When you flood a nation with tons of uneducated illegal immigrants, you are simply bringing there here. And then here becomes there. Get it?

sure, I get it.. but that's not what that PP or you wrote. Hence my response. Write what you mean, be clear, then we won't have this back/forth, kind of like Trump and how his surrogates are always having to clarify what he meant, though sometimes he refutes what they are trying to clarify.

There will still be back and forth. Because bleeding heart liberals have no problem bringing in refugees and allowing illegals here when we have our own mouths to support and feed, as well as military veterans deserving of care.

Sure, and if people like Trump paid their fair of taxes we'd have more money to pay for their care. Instead, he wants to cut rich people's taxes. How will that help veterans?

I'm not a liberal, but I am a Christian. I've read many times how this country is supposed to be a "christian nation". I don't see much Christian goodwill when people don't want to help the poor. I don't think the Bible has ever stated that we should only help poor citizens of our own country, but not poor foreigners.

With what money, my friend? Should we pile on top of the $20T debt and crash the whole system like Greece, or should we raise taxes on the middle class who are already suffering under unaffordable Obamacare premiums and stagnant wages? Tax the rich won't work.....we could confiscate the entire net worth of the Forbes 400, and it would still leave 90% of the debt untouched.

First of all, can you tell me how much of the debt is caused by illegal immigrants, their net effect on our economy?

Secondly, the rich paying their fair share of taxes would indeed help reduce the deficit, if not at the least prevent it from going higher.

Third, lower class Americans were suffering without ACA. I understand that many middle class were negatively affected by ACA, but there are many who were helped by it.

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Anonymous wrote:How long do immigrants in this country have to wait until they get their hands on all the goodies - free medical, food stamps, welfare, subsidized housing, and so forth? Its an important question since the majority of them are on government assistance.

HilllRy wants to pave a path so the illegals can become citizens, but of course most of they will eventually require taxpayer-funded support. So if we are to bend the rules, ignore the fact that they broke the rules, and allow them to become citizens, I think it's only fair that we should have a requirement that they must be self-sufficient. I've heard there's a five-year wait for legal immigrants, so we can't reward illegals by giving them the same wait. I'd say....10 years. Thoughts?

Educated, self-sufficient, and law-abiding legal immigrants are always welcome in this country. I am speaking of ILLEGAL immigrants.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/01/immigrant-welfare-use-report/71517072/

My parents were uneducated, poor legal immigrants, and at times were on food stamps. They have now paid more into the system than they get back. I have also paid waaay more into the system earning six figures a year in the past 10 yrs than I will ever get back; same for my sibling. You are quite ignorant.

There are always exceptions, and I know people who immigrated here legally and are now successful. But the majority of immigrants are on federal government assistance programs, whereas only a third of native-born are. So immigrants can come in, but they cannot expect to immediately be supported by tax-paying Americans. It drives up more of a burden on the already suffering middle class. Sorry, but while immigrants are welcome, they need to be self-supporting. We are already $20 trillion in debt and cannot afford to bring in people who are dependent on government resources (unless refugees ....politicsl assylum,,,,that type of thing.)

NONSENSE!

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And numbers-wise, how many legal immigrants are we talking about vs. native born?

Officially the number is 12 million, but there are probably more. Can you imagine if we dump them all into the failing Obamacsre exchanges? We'd be doubling the number, and the system is already collapsing as it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of the immigrants who were legalized by Reagan were able to get better jobs and higher incomes. None of them stopped working to get on welfare. Some of them did not become US citizens even though could, preferring to work here and then return to their home countries.

Well maybe they were a higher caliber 30 years ago. And that's not a knock on the illegals alone....our entire electorate is lower in caliber than it was 30 years ago. If we were in the 1980s, there is no way we would be having an election between a narcissistic buffoon and a corrupt liar. These two would have been laughed off the political stage a year ago. But I digress....

This is true. Also there were not as many and many didnt migrate for economic reasons but of civil wars going on in their country. You got many who were affluent and already wealthy. The migrants today are economic migrants and of lower caliber and millions more than when reagan was president.

Disagree. Number of Mexican illegal immigrants have decreased. More and more of the illegal immigrants from MX are now actually coming from C. America, escaping violent crime. As Trump has stated, MX's manufacturing sector is booming. They don't need to come here for illegal jobs anymore. Yes, barely over 50% are from MX, but that has been declining.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/09/20/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

"2 Mexicans made up 52% of all unauthorized immigrants in 2014, though their numbers had been declining in recent years. There were 5.8 million Mexican unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S. that year, down from 6.4 million in 2009, according to the new Pew Research Center estimates.


3 The number of unauthorized immigrants from nations other than Mexico grew by 325,000 since 2009, to an estimated 5.3 million in 2014. Populations went up most for unauthorized immigrants from Asia and Central America, but the number also ticked up for those from sub-Saharan Africa. Increases in the number of unauthorized immigrants from other countries mostly offset the decline in the number from Mexico."

And P.S. How do you know I'm white and privileged. For all you know, I could be seriously I'll, with a poor prognosis, and crumbling under medical bills. Don't assume every white person is so privileged.

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Anonymous wrote:How long until brown skinned people are forced to produce citizenship documents in order to buy groceries or walk on a public street?

Please take your racism somewhere else. Thank you.

Bless your heart. You don't even know what that word means.

Not the PP, but I consider racism when you see colors when it's irrelevant to the discussion.

Yeah, irrelevant to you because you're white and privileged.
Again, it has been happening in AZ. It is most certainly relevant to brown people.
Please do the world a favor and educate yourself on the definition of racism.

Race has nothing to do with this. We are discussing the financial burden involved with making illegals citizens, and the heavy dependency on government assistance. You're the one who interjected race into it.

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Anonymous wrote:How long do immigrants in this country have to wait until they get their hands on all the goodies - free medical, food stamps, welfare, subsidized housing, and so forth? Its an important question since the majority of them are on government assistance.

HilllRy wants to pave a path so the illegals can become citizens, but of course most of they will eventually require taxpayer-funded support. So if we are to bend the rules, ignore the fact that they broke the rules, and allow them to become citizens, I think it's only fair that we should have a requirement that they must be self-sufficient. I've heard there's a five-year wait for legal immigrants, so we can't reward illegals by giving them the same wait. I'd say....10 years. Thoughts?

Educated, self-sufficient, and law-abiding legal immigrants are always welcome in this country. I am speaking of ILLEGAL immigrants.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/01/immigrant-welfare-use-report/71517072/

My parents were uneducated, poor legal immigrants, and at times were on food stamps. They have now paid more into the system than they get back. I have also paid waaay more into the system earning six figures a year in the past 10 yrs than I will ever get back; same for my sibling. You are quite ignorant.

There are always exceptions, and I know people who immigrated here legally and are now successful. But the majority of immigrants are on federal government assistance programs, whereas only a third of native-born are. So immigrants can come in, but they cannot expect to immediately be supported by tax-paying Americans. It drives up more of a burden on the already suffering middle class. Sorry, but while immigrants are welcome, they need to be self-supporting. We are already $20 trillion in debt and cannot afford to bring in people who are dependent on government resources (unless refugees ....politicsl assylum,,,,that type of thing.)

NONSENSE!

You say nonsense but apparently didn't click in the link. Slightly more than half (51 or 52 percent) of immigrant households are on government assistance (compared to a third of native-born Americans), and more than three out of four immigrant families (76%!) with children.
http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers

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Anonymous wrote:How long until brown skinned people are forced to produce citizenship documents in order to buy groceries or walk on a public street?

Please take your racism somewhere else. Thank you.

Bless your heart. You don't even know what that word means.

Not the PP, but I consider racism when you see colors when it's irrelevant to the discussion.

Yeah, irrelevant to you because you're white and privileged.
Again, it has been happening in AZ. It is most certainly relevant to brown people.
Please do the world a favor and educate yourself on the definition of racism.

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Anonymous wrote:How long do immigrants in this country have to wait until they get their hands on all the goodies - free medical, food stamps, welfare, subsidized housing, and so forth? Its an important question since the majority of them are on government assistance.

HilllRy wants to pave a path so the illegals can become citizens, but of course most of they will eventually require taxpayer-funded support. So if we are to bend the rules, ignore the fact that they broke the rules, and allow them to become citizens, I think it's only fair that we should have a requirement that they must be self-sufficient. I've heard there's a five-year wait for legal immigrants, so we can't reward illegals by giving them the same wait. I'd say....10 years. Thoughts?

Educated, self-sufficient, and law-abiding legal immigrants are always welcome in this country. I am speaking of ILLEGAL immigrants.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/01/immigrant-welfare-use-report/71517072/

My parents were uneducated, poor legal immigrants, and at times were on food stamps. They have now paid more into the system than they get back. I have also paid waaay more into the system earning six figures a year in the past 10 yrs than I will ever get back; same for my sibling. You are quite ignorant.

There are always exceptions, and I know people who immigrated here legally and are now successful. But the majority of immigrants are on federal government assistance programs, whereas only a third of native-born are. So immigrants can come in, but they cannot expect to immediately be supported by tax-paying Americans. It drives up more of a burden on the already suffering middle class. Sorry, but while immigrants are welcome, they need to be self-supporting. We are already $20 trillion in debt and cannot afford to bring in people who are dependent on government resources (unless refugees ....politicsl assylum,,,,that type of thing.)

NONSENSE!

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And numbers-wise, how many legal immigrants are we talking about vs. native born?

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Anonymous wrote:How long do immigrants in this country have to wait until they get their hands on all the goodies - free medical, food stamps, welfare, subsidized housing, and so forth? Its an important question since the majority of them are on government assistance.

HilllRy wants to pave a path so the illegals can become citizens, but of course most of they will eventually require taxpayer-funded support. So if we are to bend the rules, ignore the fact that they broke the rules, and allow them to become citizens, I think it's only fair that we should have a requirement that they must be self-sufficient. I've heard there's a five-year wait for legal immigrants, so we can't reward illegals by giving them the same wait. I'd say....10 years. Thoughts?

Educated, self-sufficient, and law-abiding legal immigrants are always welcome in this country. I am speaking of ILLEGAL immigrants.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/01/immigrant-welfare-use-report/71517072/

My parents were uneducated, poor legal immigrants, and at times were on food stamps. They have now paid more into the system than they get back. I have also paid waaay more into the system earning six figures a year in the past 10 yrs than I will ever get back; same for my sibling. You are quite ignorant.

There are always exceptions, and I know people who immigrated here legally and are now successful. But the majority of immigrants are on federal government assistance programs, whereas only a third of native-born are. So immigrants can come in, but they cannot expect to immediately be supported by tax-paying Americans. It drives up more of a burden on the already suffering middle class. Sorry, but while immigrants are welcome, they need to be self-supporting. We are already $20 trillion in debt and cannot afford to bring in people who are dependent on government resources (unless refugees ....politicsl assylum,,,,that type of thing.)

NONSENSE!

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Anonymous wrote:How long do immigrants in this country have to wait until they get their hands on all the goodies - free medical, food stamps, welfare, subsidized housing, and so forth? Its an important question since the majority of them are on government assistance.

HilllRy wants to pave a path so the illegals can become citizens, but of course most of they will eventually require taxpayer-funded support. So if we are to bend the rules, ignore the fact that they broke the rules, and allow them to become citizens, I think it's only fair that we should have a requirement that they must be self-sufficient. I've heard there's a five-year wait for legal immigrants, so we can't reward illegals by giving them the same wait. I'd say....10 years. Thoughts?

Educated, self-sufficient, and law-abiding legal immigrants are always welcome in this country. I am speaking of ILLEGAL immigrants.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/01/immigrant-welfare-use-report/71517072/

My parents were uneducated, poor legal immigrants, and at times were on food stamps. They have now paid more into the system than they get back. I have also paid waaay more into the system earning six figures a year in the past 10 yrs than I will ever get back; same for my sibling. You are quite ignorant.

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Read what you or the PP wrote, in bolded -- "educated, self sufficient" -- those seem to the only types of immigrants that PP or you want. My point is that a there are lots of uneducated legal immigrants that end up paying more into the system eventually.

We want LEGAL immigrants. Education can come with time. L-E-G-A-L. Controlled immigration. When you flood a nation with tons of uneducated illegal immigrants, you are simply bringing there here. And then here becomes there. Get it?

sure, I get it.. but that's not what that PP or you wrote. Hence my response. Write what you mean, be clear, then we won't have this back/forth, kind of like Trump and how his surrogates are always having to clarify what he meant, though sometimes he refutes what they are trying to clarify.

There will still be back and forth. Because bleeding heart liberals have no problem bringing in refugees and allowing illegals here when we have our own mouths to support and feed, as well as military veterans deserving of care.

Sure, and if people like Trump paid their fair of taxes we'd have more money to pay for their care. Instead, he wants to cut rich people's taxes. How will that help veterans?

I'm not a liberal, but I am a Christian. I've read many times how this country is supposed to be a "christian nation". I don't see much Christian goodwill when people don't want to help the poor. I don't think the Bible has ever stated that we should only help poor citizens of our own country, but not poor foreigners.

With what money, my friend? Should we pile on top of the $20T debt and crash the whole system like Greece, or should we raise taxes on the middle class who are already suffering under unaffordable Obamacare premiums and stagnant wages? Tax the rich won't work.....we could confiscate the entire net worth of the Forbes 400, and it would still leave 90% of the debt untouched.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of the immigrants who were legalized by Reagan were able to get better jobs and higher incomes. None of them stopped working to get on welfare. Some of them did not become US citizens even though could, preferring to work here and then return to their home countries.

Well maybe they were a higher caliber 30 years ago. And that's not a knock on the illegals alone....our entire electorate is lower in caliber than it was 30 years ago. If we were in the 1980s, there is no way we would be having an election between a narcissistic buffoon and a corrupt liar. These two would have been laughed off the political stage a year ago. But I digress....

This is true. Also there were not as many and many didnt migrate for economic reasons but of civil wars going on in their country. You got many who were affluent and already wealthy. The migrants today are economic migrants and of lower caliber and millions more than when reagan was president.

Well I guess enough venting and we will be paying welfare, free housing etc. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/they-crossed-the-border-illegally-and-cant-vote-but-they-can-knock-on-doors/2016/10/23/bd0a6d06-96eb-11e6-bb29-bf2701dbe0a3_story.html?hpid=hp_local-news2_dacavote-1135am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

I suppose next go round Mexicans will be able to cross the border and vote in Texas. Ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:How long do immigrants in this country have to wait until they get their hands on all the goodies - free medical, food stamps, welfare, subsidized housing, and so forth? Its an important question since the majority of them are on government assistance.

HilllRy wants to pave a path so the illegals can become citizens, but of course most of they will eventually require taxpayer-funded support. So if we are to bend the rules, ignore the fact that they broke the rules, and allow them to become citizens, I think it's only fair that we should have a requirement that they must be self-sufficient. I've heard there's a five-year wait for legal immigrants, so we can't reward illegals by giving them the same wait. I'd say....10 years. Thoughts?

Educated, self-sufficient, and law-abiding legal immigrants are always welcome in this country. I am speaking of ILLEGAL immigrants.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/01/immigrant-welfare-use-report/71517072/

My parents were uneducated, poor legal immigrants, and at times were on food stamps. They have now paid more into the system than they get back. I have also paid waaay more into the system earning six figures a year in the past 10 yrs than I will ever get back; same for my sibling. You are quite ignorant.

Key word

Read what you or the PP wrote, in bolded -- "educated, self sufficient" -- those seem to the only types of immigrants that PP or you want. My point is that a there are lots of uneducated legal immigrants that end up paying more into the system eventually.

We want LEGAL immigrants. Education can come with time. L-E-G-A-L. Controlled immigration. When you flood a nation with tons of uneducated illegal immigrants, you are simply bringing there here. And then here becomes there. Get it?

sure, I get it.. but that's not what that PP or you wrote. Hence my response. Write what you mean, be clear, then we won't have this back/forth, kind of like Trump and how his surrogates are always having to clarify what he meant, though sometimes he refutes what they are trying to clarify.

There will still be back and forth. Because bleeding heart liberals have no problem bringing in refugees and allowing illegals here when we have our own mouths to support and feed, as well as military veterans deserving of care.

Speaking of military veterans, why hasn't the Republican-controlled Congress done more to help veterans? They seem to have no problem going against Obama.

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Anonymous wrote:How long do immigrants in this country have to wait until they get their hands on all the goodies - free medical, food stamps, welfare, subsidized housing, and so forth? Its an important question since the majority of them are on government assistance.

HilllRy wants to pave a path so the illegals can become citizens, but of course most of they will eventually require taxpayer-funded support. So if we are to bend the rules, ignore the fact that they broke the rules, and allow them to become citizens, I think it's only fair that we should have a requirement that they must be self-sufficient. I've heard there's a five-year wait for legal immigrants, so we can't reward illegals by giving them the same wait. I'd say....10 years. Thoughts?

Educated, self-sufficient, and law-abiding legal immigrants are always welcome in this country. I am speaking of ILLEGAL immigrants.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/01/immigrant-welfare-use-report/71517072/

My parents were uneducated, poor legal immigrants, and at times were on food stamps. They have now paid more into the system than they get back. I have also paid waaay more into the system earning six figures a year in the past 10 yrs than I will ever get back; same for my sibling. You are quite ignorant.

Key word

Read what you or the PP wrote, in bolded -- "educated, self sufficient" -- those seem to the only types of immigrants that PP or you want. My point is that a there are lots of uneducated legal immigrants that end up paying more into the system eventually.

We want LEGAL immigrants. Education can come with time. L-E-G-A-L. Controlled immigration. When you flood a nation with tons of uneducated illegal immigrants, you are simply bringing there here. And then here becomes there. Get it?

sure, I get it.. but that's not what that PP or you wrote. Hence my response. Write what you mean, be clear, then we won't have this back/forth, kind of like Trump and how his surrogates are always having to clarify what he meant, though sometimes he refutes what they are trying to clarify.

There will still be back and forth. Because bleeding heart liberals have no problem bringing in refugees and allowing illegals here when we have our own mouths to support and feed, as well as military veterans deserving of care.

Sure, and if people like Trump paid their fair of taxes we'd have more money to pay for their care. Instead, he wants to cut rich people's taxes. How will that help veterans?

I'm not a liberal, but I am a Christian. I've read many times how this country is supposed to be a "christian nation". I don't see much Christian goodwill when people don't want to help the poor. I don't think the Bible has ever stated that we should only help poor citizens of our own country, but not poor foreigners.