Anonymous wrote:Disproportionate compared to what? Does KiPP discriminate as well with their disproportions? How about Banneker? How about the new all male pubic HS?

Anonymous wrote:So more white apply, more will get in. I wonder if PP is suggesting that school limit # of white families who can apply.

I find it pretty sad that white families face this backlash. Nobody suggests that Banneker, which has wonderful test scores, increase its outreach to white families, even though the percentage of white children is increasing. Banneker would benefit from some added Diversity.

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Anonymous wrote:Disproportionate compared to what? Does KiPP discriminate as well with their disproportions? How about Banneker? How about the new all male pubic HS?

Disproportionate compared to what?. Disproportionate compared to the city they are supposed to serve.

Your comparisons prove my point. Bannker is not designed and does not claim to serve the entire city. It is designed to serve a specific set of kids that test in. The all male public HS is obviously designed to serve all males. It is not designed to and does not claim to serve all DC students.

But Latin is specifically chartered to serve every student in the city, and to provide them with equal access and opportunity. And it claims it does, as do its proponents. But somehow, the school serves a disproportionately small number of AA students and an even more disproportionately small number of low-income families.

I wonder why this is the case? And if you are a supporter of the school, shouldn't you at least wonder why this is the case?

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Anonymous wrote:What schools require lands end ???? Christ. We've had two kids in 4 DC public schools and all have required uniforms, none have been so specific.

Latin. Vendors are Lands End and another uniform store in Georgetown.

A fairly cheap uniform store in Georgetown. Our child went to Latin - we bought 2-3 shirts from the cheap store, cheap khakis from old navy. Done. We also donated outgrown clothes to the many yearly uniform exchanges which appeared to have a massive overflow.

There's nothing cheap in Georgetown. I guess whether something is cheap is relative to One's bank account.

I'll say this for Latin - they are experts at all the small and subtle (and sadly legal) things that can be done to keep and get poor kids out of their "public" school.

Please back up that assertion. As someone whose child went to WL since fifth grade and saw how the school and parent community went out of their way to draw students from all four quadrants of the city and support students with every kind of struggle. As someone who knows students who were homeless at Latin who were supported all the way through college, I am not going to descend to your level by saying all the great things WL does as this thread is not about WL. However, if you throw out such a scurrilous, flip and irresponsible remark be prepared to back it up. Please detail your extensive examples and direct experience (no speculation and assumptions please so you don't waste all of our time) of the small, subtle and sadly legal things WL has done to keep poor kids out. Thanks.

The facts speak for themselves - surely it is not a coincidence that in a city where almost 2/3 of public school kids are AA, less than half of Latin kids are AA. In a city where about 3/4 of kids receive Free and Reduced Meals, only 18% of kids at Latin do.

Sources: DCPS as a whole: http://dcps.dc.gov/node/966292
Latin: http://www.greatschools.org/washington-dc/washington/809-Washington-Latin-PCS---Middle-School/details/


You want examples of small and subtle things? How about the aggressive recruiting at JKLM schools, and the non-existent recruiting east of the river. How about putting the school way up in the middle of nowhere in Ward 4, hard to reach by metro, impossible to reach by bus (especially for kids who live in Wards 7 and 8). How about the uniforms that are required to be purchased at either LL Bean or in Georgetown. How about the school-organized buses, that happen to be predominantly in wealthier parts of the city, and cost $1,500 annually.

All those things create huge barriers to poor kids. Granted, the kids who make it past these hurdles get help - they can apply for free busing, they can get help with uniforms, etc. But it's all of the first steps that weed out poor kids, kids from non-English speaking households, etc.

These aren't giant obvious things - but the proof is in the results: a disproportionately white and wealthy student body in a public charter school that is supposed to be open equally to all children in the city.

good points on transportation in particular. the Charter Board needs to start requiring charters with severe imbalances to provide transportation options if they chose to locate away from Metro or good bus lines. Or alternatively, fund a couple of bus lines.

You are ridiculous. Latin has done tons for poor family. It's recruiting is mostly word of mouth, like most charter schools. I don't think Latin has stated in its mission it is specifically a classics school for poor children (KIPP has an overt mission in this area). If you want a classics school specifically for poor children get on board and found one, or work on a Latin extension to other wards. But they throw up zero roadblocks to poor kids. We donated so much money as a family to other people's kids there, so much time we donated, saw the school bend over backwards on all kinds of fronts that impact low ses, the new campus was in a reasonably accessible, nice but by no means extra chi chi location, the buses reach all the wards etc. Ugh. You're ridiculous. If the lower grades are filling up with rich white kids its because rich white people love the idea of a free, classics education with proven success.. Our child's graduating class had about three white faces, so don't play that card. Everyone has an equal lottery pull there and can get in regardless of race with an equal chance. You want more Latins? Start researching how you could support an expansion.

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Anonymous wrote:What schools require lands end ???? Christ. We've had two kids in 4 DC public schools and all have required uniforms, none have been so specific.

Latin. Vendors are Lands End and another uniform store in Georgetown.

A fairly cheap uniform store in Georgetown. Our child went to Latin - we bought 2-3 shirts from the cheap store, cheap khakis from old navy. Done. We also donated outgrown clothes to the many yearly uniform exchanges which appeared to have a massive overflow.

There's nothing cheap in Georgetown. I guess whether something is cheap is relative to One's bank account.

I'll say this for Latin - they are experts at all the small and subtle (and sadly legal) things that can be done to keep and get poor kids out of their "public" school.

Please back up that assertion. As someone whose child went to WL since fifth grade and saw how the school and parent community went out of their way to draw students from all four quadrants of the city and support students with every kind of struggle. As someone who knows students who were homeless at Latin who were supported all the way through college, I am not going to descend to your level by saying all the great things WL does as this thread is not about WL. However, if you throw out such a scurrilous, flip and irresponsible remark be prepared to back it up. Please detail your extensive examples and direct experience (no speculation and assumptions please so you don't waste all of our time) of the small, subtle and sadly legal things WL has done to keep poor kids out. Thanks.

The facts speak for themselves - surely it is not a coincidence that in a city where almost 2/3 of public school kids are AA, less than half of Latin kids are AA. In a city where about 3/4 of kids receive Free and Reduced Meals, only 18% of kids at Latin do.

Sources: DCPS as a whole: http://dcps.dc.gov/node/966292
Latin: http://www.greatschools.org/washington-dc/washington/809-Washington-Latin-PCS---Middle-School/details/


You want examples of small and subtle things? How about the aggressive recruiting at JKLM schools, and the non-existent recruiting east of the river. How about putting the school way up in the middle of nowhere in Ward 4, hard to reach by metro, impossible to reach by bus (especially for kids who live in Wards 7 and 8). How about the uniforms that are required to be purchased at either LL Bean or in Georgetown. How about the school-organized buses, that happen to be predominantly in wealthier parts of the city, and cost $1,500 annually.

All those things create huge barriers to poor kids. Granted, the kids who make it past these hurdles get help - they can apply for free busing, they can get help with uniforms, etc. But it's all of the first steps that weed out poor kids, kids from non-English speaking households, etc.

These aren't giant obvious things - but the proof is in the results: a disproportionately white and wealthy student body in a public charter school that is supposed to be open equally to all children in the city.

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Anonymous wrote:What schools require lands end ???? Christ. We've had two kids in 4 DC public schools and all have required uniforms, none have been so specific.

Latin. Vendors are Lands End and another uniform store in Georgetown.

A fairly cheap uniform store in Georgetown. Our child went to Latin - we bought 2-3 shirts from the cheap store, cheap khakis from old navy. Done. We also donated outgrown clothes to the many yearly uniform exchanges which appeared to have a massive overflow.

There's nothing cheap in Georgetown. I guess whether something is cheap is relative to One's bank account.

I'll say this for Latin - they are experts at all the small and subtle (and sadly legal) things that can be done to keep and get poor kids out of their "public" school.

Please back up that assertion. As someone whose child went to WL since fifth grade and saw how the school and parent community went out of their way to draw students from all four quadrants of the city and support students with every kind of struggle. As someone who knows students who were homeless at Latin who were supported all the way through college, I am not going to descend to your level by saying all the great things WL does as this thread is not about WL. However, if you throw out such a scurrilous, flip and irresponsible remark be prepared to back it up. Please detail your extensive examples and direct experience (no speculation and assumptions please so you don't waste all of our time) of the small, subtle and sadly legal things WL has done to keep poor kids out. Thanks.

The facts speak for themselves - surely it is not a coincidence that in a city where almost 2/3 of public school kids are AA, less than half of Latin kids are AA. In a city where about 3/4 of kids receive Free and Reduced Meals, only 18% of kids at Latin do.

Sources: DCPS as a whole: http://dcps.dc.gov/node/966292
Latin: http://www.greatschools.org/washington-dc/washington/809-Washington-Latin-PCS---Middle-School/details/


You want examples of small and subtle things? How about the aggressive recruiting at JKLM schools, and the non-existent recruiting east of the river. How about putting the school way up in the middle of nowhere in Ward 4, hard to reach by metro, impossible to reach by bus (especially for kids who live in Wards 7 and 8). How about the uniforms that are required to be purchased at either LL Bean or in Georgetown. How about the school-organized buses, that happen to be predominantly in wealthier parts of the city, and cost $1,500 annually.

All those things create huge barriers to poor kids. Granted, the kids who make it past these hurdles get help - they can apply for free busing, they can get help with uniforms, etc. But it's all of the first steps that weed out poor kids, kids from non-English speaking households, etc.

These aren't giant obvious things - but the proof is in the results: a disproportionately white and wealthy student body in a public charter school that is supposed to be open equally to all children in the city.

good points on transportation in particular. the Charter Board needs to start requiring charters with severe imbalances to provide transportation options if they chose to locate away from Metro or good bus lines. Or alternatively, fund a couple of bus lines.

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Anonymous wrote:What schools require lands end ???? Christ. We've had two kids in 4 DC public schools and all have required uniforms, none have been so specific.

Latin. Vendors are Lands End and another uniform store in Georgetown.

A fairly cheap uniform store in Georgetown. Our child went to Latin - we bought 2-3 shirts from the cheap store, cheap khakis from old navy. Done. We also donated outgrown clothes to the many yearly uniform exchanges which appeared to have a massive overflow.

There's nothing cheap in Georgetown. I guess whether something is cheap is relative to One's bank account.

I'll say this for Latin - they are experts at all the small and subtle (and sadly legal) things that can be done to keep and get poor kids out of their "public" school.

Please back up that assertion. As someone whose child went to WL since fifth grade and saw how the school and parent community went out of their way to draw students from all four quadrants of the city and support students with every kind of struggle. As someone who knows students who were homeless at Latin who were supported all the way through college, I am not going to descend to your level by saying all the great things WL does as this thread is not about WL. However, if you throw out such a scurrilous, flip and irresponsible remark be prepared to back it up. Please detail your extensive examples and direct experience (no speculation and assumptions please so you don't waste all of our time) of the small, subtle and sadly legal things WL has done to keep poor kids out. Thanks.

The facts speak for themselves - surely it is not a coincidence that in a city where almost 2/3 of public school kids are AA, less than half of Latin kids are AA. In a city where about 3/4 of kids receive Free and Reduced Meals, only 18% of kids at Latin do.

Sources: DCPS as a whole: http://dcps.dc.gov/node/966292
Latin: http://www.greatschools.org/washington-dc/washington/809-Washington-Latin-PCS---Middle-School/details/


You want examples of small and subtle things? How about the aggressive recruiting at JKLM schools, and the non-existent recruiting east of the river. How about putting the school way up in the middle of nowhere in Ward 4, hard to reach by metro, impossible to reach by bus (especially for kids who live in Wards 7 and 8). How about the uniforms that are required to be purchased at either LL Bean or in Georgetown. How about the school-organized buses, that happen to be predominantly in wealthier parts of the city, and cost $1,500 annually.

All those things create huge barriers to poor kids. Granted, the kids who make it past these hurdles get help - they can apply for free busing, they can get help with uniforms, etc. But it's all of the first steps that weed out poor kids, kids from non-English speaking households, etc.

These aren't giant obvious things - but the proof is in the results: a disproportionately white and wealthy student body in a public charter school that is supposed to be open equally to all children in the city.

good points on transportation in particular. the Charter Board needs to start requiring charters with severe imbalances to provide transportation options if they chose to locate away from Metro or good bus lines. Or alternatively, fund a couple of bus lines.

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Anonymous wrote:What schools require lands end ???? Christ. We've had two kids in 4 DC public schools and all have required uniforms, none have been so specific.

Latin. Vendors are Lands End and another uniform store in Georgetown.

A fairly cheap uniform store in Georgetown. Our child went to Latin - we bought 2-3 shirts from the cheap store, cheap khakis from old navy. Done. We also donated outgrown clothes to the many yearly uniform exchanges which appeared to have a massive overflow.

There's nothing cheap in Georgetown. I guess whether something is cheap is relative to One's bank account.

I'll say this for Latin - they are experts at all the small and subtle (and sadly legal) things that can be done to keep and get poor kids out of their "public" school.

Please back up that assertion. As someone whose child went to WL since fifth grade and saw how the school and parent community went out of their way to draw students from all four quadrants of the city and support students with every kind of struggle. As someone who knows students who were homeless at Latin who were supported all the way through college, I am not going to descend to your level by saying all the great things WL does as this thread is not about WL. However, if you throw out such a scurrilous, flip and irresponsible remark be prepared to back it up. Please detail your extensive examples and direct experience (no speculation and assumptions please so you don't waste all of our time) of the small, subtle and sadly legal things WL has done to keep poor kids out. Thanks.

The facts speak for themselves - surely it is not a coincidence that in a city where almost 2/3 of public school kids are AA, less than half of Latin kids are AA. In a city where about 3/4 of kids receive Free and Reduced Meals, only 18% of kids at Latin do.

Sources: DCPS as a whole: http://dcps.dc.gov/node/966292
Latin: http://www.greatschools.org/washington-dc/washington/809-Washington-Latin-PCS---Middle-School/details/


You want examples of small and subtle things? How about the aggressive recruiting at JKLM schools, and the non-existent recruiting east of the river. How about putting the school way up in the middle of nowhere in Ward 4, hard to reach by metro, impossible to reach by bus (especially for kids who live in Wards 7 and 8). How about the uniforms that are required to be purchased at either LL Bean or in Georgetown. How about the school-organized buses, that happen to be predominantly in wealthier parts of the city, and cost $1,500 annually.

All those things create huge barriers to poor kids. Granted, the kids who make it past these hurdles get help - they can apply for free busing, they can get help with uniforms, etc. But it's all of the first steps that weed out poor kids, kids from non-English speaking households, etc.

These aren't giant obvious things - but the proof is in the results: a disproportionately white and wealthy student body in a public charter school that is supposed to be open equally to all children in the city.