Anonymous
08/25/2016 10:29
Subject: Do people lie about FARMS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is commmon for a lot of ESL immigrant families to put too many people in one house. If you were to add up the incomes of all the people in that house, no way would they be under the poverty line. You're lying to yourself if you think these people don't know how to take advantage of the system and report only the income of one family member on the form to get free or reduced meals for heir kids. Word travels fast in the immigrant communities about how to save money. If they ever get caught, they just play dumb and pretend like they didn't understand because they no speak English good.
You sound dumb and racist. Different families living in one home may be a housing violation but it isn't a violation for public assistance programs. You seem to fail to grasp that a household, for public assistance purposes, relates to family members who are legally responsible for each other. The entire household is not counted, and why would it be? Your roommate or friend isn't responsible for providing food to your kids. Also, don't forget that for each additional person the income limit increases.
Please, take tour disillusioned, idiotic, xenophobic crap elsewhere. Or at LEAST learn a little bit about what you're talking about, because you clearly have zero idea about how social services work.
+1. PP above is beyond dumb. If some families have to (or choose to) share their living space, let's congratulate them for their frugality and saving habits.
But I assume those are foreign concepts to some PPs like the one above.
Damned if you do and damned with you don't with some people.
"How can someone afford to live here?"
"They get roommates."
"No fair! If they have roommates they should pool their money and feel rich!"
There's a big gap between being poor and being rich. If you are legitimately poor, in poverty, that's what FARMs are for. But, if you're a large family pooling your resources together, you may not be rich, but you're not necessarily poor either. The test for these programs is household income, not per capita income. You may not like the rules and you may enjoy spending taxpayer money to help middle class families taking advantage of the system, but that doesn't change what the rules are.
You are crazy.
Call the IRS and ask them if three families living in one same house automatically become one household unit and should prepare one combined tax return.
Did I mention you are crazy?
Anonymous
08/25/2016 10:28
Subject: Do people lie about FARMS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is commmon for a lot of ESL immigrant families to put too many people in one house. If you were to add up the incomes of all the people in that house, no way would they be under the poverty line. You're lying to yourself if you think these people don't know how to take advantage of the system and report only the income of one family member on the form to get free or reduced meals for heir kids. Word travels fast in the immigrant communities about how to save money. If they ever get caught, they just play dumb and pretend like they didn't understand because they no speak English good.
You sound dumb and racist. Different families living in one home may be a housing violation but it isn't a violation for public assistance programs. You seem to fail to grasp that a household, for public assistance purposes, relates to family members who are legally responsible for each other. The entire household is not counted, and why would it be? Your roommate or friend isn't responsible for providing food to your kids. Also, don't forget that for each additional person the income limit increases.
Please, take tour disillusioned, idiotic, xenophobic crap elsewhere. Or at LEAST learn a little bit about what you're talking about, because you clearly have zero idea about how social services work.
+1. PP above is beyond dumb. If some families have to (or choose to) share their living space, let's congratulate them for their frugality and saving habits.
But I assume those are foreign concepts to some PPs like the one above.
Damned if you do and damned with you don't with some people.
"How can someone afford to live here?"
"They get roommates."
"No fair! If they have roommates they should pool their money and feel rich!"
There's a big gap between being poor and being rich. If you are legitimately poor, in poverty, that's what FARMs are for. But, if you're a large family pooling your resources together, you may not be rich, but you're not necessarily poor either. The test for these programs is household income, not per capita income. You may not like the rules and you may enjoy spending taxpayer money to help middle class families taking advantage of the system, but that doesn't change what the rules are.
No, you seem to be missing both the point and the rules. The point is that extended family or friends living together who split the cost of housing are not pooling all their resources. They are sharing shelter to make ends meet.
The second is that the programs are based on household income, you are right, but for public assistance purposes a household is NOT considered everyone who lives in a domicile. It is considered everyone in a family unit who is legally responsible for each other. Therefore, parents are responsible for children, wife is responsible for husband, etc. Adult sister is not responsible for adult brother and his kids, EVEN IF they live in the same home. YOU may not like the rules, but that is what they are. Before you inform people of how FARMS programs work and how people are violating the rules, I would suggest you take a few minutes to familiarize yourself with the rules. This is all public record and public knowledge, whether YOU like how the system works or not.
Anonymous
08/25/2016 10:21
Subject: Do people lie about FARMS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is commmon for a lot of ESL immigrant families to put too many people in one house. If you were to add up the incomes of all the people in that house, no way would they be under the poverty line. You're lying to yourself if you think these people don't know how to take advantage of the system and report only the income of one family member on the form to get free or reduced meals for heir kids. Word travels fast in the immigrant communities about how to save money. If they ever get caught, they just play dumb and pretend like they didn't understand because they no speak English good.
You sound dumb and racist. Different families living in one home may be a housing violation but it isn't a violation for public assistance programs. You seem to fail to grasp that a household, for public assistance purposes, relates to family members who are legally responsible for each other. The entire household is not counted, and why would it be? Your roommate or friend isn't responsible for providing food to your kids. Also, don't forget that for each additional person the income limit increases.
Please, take tour disillusioned, idiotic, xenophobic crap elsewhere. Or at LEAST learn a little bit about what you're talking about, because you clearly have zero idea about how social services work.
+1. PP above is beyond dumb. If some families have to (or choose to) share their living space, let's congratulate them for their frugality and saving habits.
But I assume those are foreign concepts to some PPs like the one above.
Damned if you do and damned with you don't with some people.
"How can someone afford to live here?"
"They get roommates."
"No fair! If they have roommates they should pool their money and feel rich!"
There's a big gap between being poor and being rich. If you are legitimately poor, in poverty, that's what FARMs are for. But, if you're a large family pooling your resources together, you may not be rich, but you're not necessarily poor either. The test for these programs is household income, not per capita income. You may not like the rules and you may enjoy spending taxpayer money to help middle class families taking advantage of the system, but that doesn't change what the rules are.
Anonymous
08/25/2016 10:13
Subject: Re:Do people lie about FARMS?
Anonymous wrote:I am sure there are plenty of genuine people on FARMS but there are plenty of crooks too. Our former babysitter used her parents' address to send her kid to a better school.
+1. Not to talk about all those fraudsters using some auntie or grandma's address to do the same.
Anonymous
08/25/2016 10:09
Subject: Re:Do people lie about FARMS?
Anonymous wrote:I am sure there are plenty of genuine people on FARMS but there are plenty of crooks too. Our former babysitter used her parents' address to send her kid to a better school.
That doesn't really have anything to do with receiving FARMS benefits though. Also, there are attendance officers and investigators who check on that. You could report it if you have names.
Anonymous
08/25/2016 10:08
Subject: Do people lie about FARMS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is commmon for a lot of ESL immigrant families to put too many people in one house. If you were to add up the incomes of all the people in that house, no way would they be under the poverty line. You're lying to yourself if you think these people don't know how to take advantage of the system and report only the income of one family member on the form to get free or reduced meals for heir kids. Word travels fast in the immigrant communities about how to save money. If they ever get caught, they just play dumb and pretend like they didn't understand because they no speak English good.
You sound dumb and racist. Different families living in one home may be a housing violation but it isn't a violation for public assistance programs. You seem to fail to grasp that a household, for public assistance purposes, relates to family members who are legally responsible for each other. The entire household is not counted, and why would it be? Your roommate or friend isn't responsible for providing food to your kids. Also, don't forget that for each additional person the income limit increases.
Please, take tour disillusioned, idiotic, xenophobic crap elsewhere. Or at LEAST learn a little bit about what you're talking about, because you clearly have zero idea about how social services work.
+1. PP above is beyond dumb. If some families have to (or choose to) share their living space, let's congratulate them for their frugality and saving habits.
But I assume those are foreign concepts to some PPs like the one above.
Damned if you do and damned with you don't with some people.
"How can someone afford to live here?"
"They get roommates."
"No fair! If they have roommates they should pool their money and feel rich!"
Anonymous
08/25/2016 10:08
Subject: Do people lie about FARMS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is commmon for a lot of ESL immigrant families to put too many people in one house. If you were to add up the incomes of all the people in that house, no way would they be under the poverty line. You're lying to yourself if you think these people don't know how to take advantage of the system and report only the income of one family member on the form to get free or reduced meals for heir kids. Word travels fast in the immigrant communities about how to save money. If they ever get caught, they just play dumb and pretend like they didn't understand because they no speak English good.
You sound dumb and racist. Different families living in one home may be a housing violation but it isn't a violation for public assistance programs. You seem to fail to grasp that a household, for public assistance purposes, relates to family members who are legally responsible for each other. The entire household is not counted, and why would it be? Your roommate or friend isn't responsible for providing food to your kids. Also, don't forget that for each additional person the income limit increases.
Please, take tour disillusioned, idiotic, xenophobic crap elsewhere. Or at LEAST learn a little bit about what you're talking about, because you clearly have zero idea about how social services work.
+1. PP above is beyond dumb. If some families have to (or choose to) share their living space, let's congratulate them for their frugality and saving habits.
But I assume those are foreign concepts to some PPs like the one above.
Anonymous
08/25/2016 10:07
Subject: Re:Do people lie about FARMS?
I am sure there are plenty of genuine people on FARMS but there are plenty of crooks too. Our former babysitter used her parents' address to send her kid to a better school.
Anonymous
08/25/2016 10:04
Subject: Do people lie about FARMS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is commmon for a lot of ESL immigrant families to put too many people in one house. If you were to add up the incomes of all the people in that house, no way would they be under the poverty line. You're lying to yourself if you think these people don't know how to take advantage of the system and report only the income of one family member on the form to get free or reduced meals for heir kids. Word travels fast in the immigrant communities about how to save money. If they ever get caught, they just play dumb and pretend like they didn't understand because they no speak English good.
You sound dumb and racist. Different families living in one home may be a housing violation but it isn't a violation for public assistance programs. You seem to fail to grasp that a household, for public assistance purposes, relates to family members who are legally responsible for each other. The entire household is not counted, and why would it be? Your roommate or friend isn't responsible for providing food to your kids. Also, don't forget that for each additional person the income limit increases.
Please, take tour disillusioned, idiotic, xenophobic crap elsewhere. Or at LEAST learn a little bit about what you're talking about, because you clearly have zero idea about how social services work.
And you sound like you live somewhere other than the real world. If you think these immigrant families aren't taking advantage of the system, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.
I never said no one takes advantage, though again, if you have actual proof you should report it, but clearly you don't. What I SAID was that what you are describing is NOT taking advantage of the system, and making xenophobic accusations about illegal immigrants taking advantage, when all of your anger and "examples" clearly show you DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE SYSTEM, makes you look dumb and racist.
Maybe people are taking advantage. But you sure wouldn't know since this is clearly a matter you know nothing about.
Anonymous
08/25/2016 09:53
Subject: Do people lie about FARMS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is commmon for a lot of ESL immigrant families to put too many people in one house. If you were to add up the incomes of all the people in that house, no way would they be under the poverty line. You're lying to yourself if you think these people don't know how to take advantage of the system and report only the income of one family member on the form to get free or reduced meals for heir kids. Word travels fast in the immigrant communities about how to save money. If they ever get caught, they just play dumb and pretend like they didn't understand because they no speak English good.
You sound dumb and racist. Different families living in one home may be a housing violation but it isn't a violation for public assistance programs. You seem to fail to grasp that a household, for public assistance purposes, relates to family members who are legally responsible for each other. The entire household is not counted, and why would it be? Your roommate or friend isn't responsible for providing food to your kids. Also, don't forget that for each additional person the income limit increases.
Please, take tour disillusioned, idiotic, xenophobic crap elsewhere. Or at LEAST learn a little bit about what you're talking about, because you clearly have zero idea about how social services work.
+1. PP above is beyond dumb. If some families have to (or choose to) share their living space, let's congratulate them for their frugality and saving habits.
But I assume those are foreign concepts to some PPs like the one above.
Anonymous
08/25/2016 09:46
Subject: Do people lie about FARMS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is commmon for a lot of ESL immigrant families to put too many people in one house. If you were to add up the incomes of all the people in that house, no way would they be under the poverty line. You're lying to yourself if you think these people don't know how to take advantage of the system and report only the income of one family member on the form to get free or reduced meals for heir kids. Word travels fast in the immigrant communities about how to save money. If they ever get caught, they just play dumb and pretend like they didn't understand because they no speak English good.
You sound dumb and racist. Different families living in one home may be a housing violation but it isn't a violation for public assistance programs. You seem to fail to grasp that a household, for public assistance purposes, relates to family members who are legally responsible for each other. The entire household is not counted, and why would it be? Your roommate or friend isn't responsible for providing food to your kids. Also, don't forget that for each additional person the income limit increases.
Please, take tour disillusioned, idiotic, xenophobic crap elsewhere. Or at LEAST learn a little bit about what you're talking about, because you clearly have zero idea about how social services work.
And you sound like you live somewhere other than the real world. If you think these immigrant families aren't taking advantage of the system, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.
Anonymous
08/25/2016 07:55
Subject: Do people lie about FARMS?
Anonymous wrote:It is commmon for a lot of ESL immigrant families to put too many people in one house. If you were to add up the incomes of all the people in that house, no way would they be under the poverty line. You're lying to yourself if you think these people don't know how to take advantage of the system and report only the income of one family member on the form to get free or reduced meals for heir kids. Word travels fast in the immigrant communities about how to save money. If they ever get caught, they just play dumb and pretend like they didn't understand because they no speak English good.
You sound dumb and racist. Different families living in one home may be a housing violation but it isn't a violation for public assistance programs. You seem to fail to grasp that a household, for public assistance purposes, relates to family members who are legally responsible for each other. The entire household is not counted, and why would it be? Your roommate or friend isn't responsible for providing food to your kids. Also, don't forget that for each additional person the income limit increases.
Please, take tour disillusioned, idiotic, xenophobic crap elsewhere. Or at LEAST learn a little bit about what you're talking about, because you clearly have zero idea about how social services work.
Anonymous
08/25/2016 07:46
Subject: Do people lie about FARMS?
It is commmon for a lot of ESL immigrant families to put too many people in one house. If you were to add up the incomes of all the people in that house, no way would they be under the poverty line. You're lying to yourself if you think these people don't know how to take advantage of the system and report only the income of one family member on the form to get free or reduced meals for heir kids. Word travels fast in the immigrant communities about how to save money. If they ever get caught, they just play dumb and pretend like they didn't understand because they no speak English good.
Anonymous
08/25/2016 07:40
Subject: Do people lie about FARMS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People who get paid under the table and don't pay taxes.
We have a winner.
Most people who get paid under the table aren't rolling it in.
Anonymous
08/25/2016 07:39
Subject: Do people lie about FARMS?
Anonymous wrote:People who get paid under the table and don't pay taxes.
We have a winner.