Anonymous wrote:Based on statistics of how many guns are there vs number of gun related accidents, it's pretty clear that gun owners in general are keeping things very safe as is. Why do I need to register my gun with the state police? To facilitate inspection and seizure? No, I will not register my guns with the agency that may come and take it away from me because the government thinks it knows better about what's good for its citizens than the citizens themselves. As for annual inspections - if the government had the resources to do home-to-home inspections, their time and resources would be better spent making sure everyone's fire alarms and carbon monoxide detectors were working correctly.

No, your steps are not necessary to keep guns safe. What I *can* get behind are mandatory background checks and gun safety classes.

This is where you start to sound like a paranoid criminal rather than responsible gun owner. No one's taking away your legal guns; the Second Amendment continues to protect your right to own the guns. It's just registering them with the state government, like we all register our cars and our boats. Registering them makes lots of sense because police officers responding to an address with guns will know what they're walking into and can keep everyone safe. Also, if someone owns a gun but does something later makes them disallowed (like gets convicted for a felony), then the government should know who they so the gun can be transferred. Why would you possibly be against that? And the safety inspection is only for those homes that have both guns and kids. If you want to avoid an annual safety inspection, then just store your guns away from the kids.

When gun people refuse to even report their guns to the state government, they start to sound like people who have something dirty to hide. If you're a lawful and safe gun owner, you should encourage reporting guns to the government, because it helps keep guns away from the bad people.

Why aren't you for safety?

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Anonymous wrote:Stop using children to push an obnoxious, freedom-killing political agenda.

You figure out how to stop killing children then. If you want to own guns, you need to figure out how to keep them safe. Clean up your own mess.

That's an easy one, concentrate on parental skills. Mandatory annual parenting skills training and testing. Random drug testing of all parents. Random home inspections of all parents. Three strikes and you lose legal rights to your kids and they go to foster care.

Sounds good. You call Noah's mom, or Jett's dad, and tell them what terrible parents they are. Have the NRA help you make those calls, and maybe some of the Republicans in Congress too.

Do you suggest telling them it's not their fault they bought guns? You are not making any sense whatsoever.

I'm pretty sure the parents of the dead children know full well they messed up, and I've got no problem with criminal charges. But all the criminal charges in the world won't bring back the children killed by your guns.

If we want to try to slow this line of child gun victims, we need to act before they get shot, not after. You gun people have a responsibility to develop and implement safety rules and laws that stop the senseless deaths. If you want your gun hobby to be permitted, you need to keep it safe. If you can't keep it safe, then the rest of us have no choice but to regulate you.

How's this for a start? ... Every gun must be registered with the state police. When you register your gun, you have to indicate whether any children will be in the primary place where you keep the gun. Once per year, someone from the state will visit your property to check that the gun is stored safely and that any children living there are aware of proper safety precautions. IMHO, that's a good start. Do you disagree?

If you want to keep your gun, you need to put up with the steps necessary to keep it safe.

Based on statistics of how many guns are there vs number of gun related accidents, it's pretty clear that gun owners in general are keeping things very safe as is. Why do I need to register my gun with the state police? To facilitate inspection and seizure? No, I will not register my guns with the agency that may come and take it away from me because the government thinks it knows better about what's good for its citizens than the citizens themselves. As for annual inspections - if the government had the resources to do home-to-home inspections, their time and resources would be better spent making sure everyone's fire alarms and carbon monoxide detectors were working correctly.

No, your steps are not necessary to keep guns safe. What I *can* get behind are mandatory background checks and gun safety classes.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop using children to push an obnoxious, freedom-killing political agenda.

You figure out how to stop killing children then. If you want to own guns, you need to figure out how to keep them safe. Clean up your own mess.

That's an easy one, concentrate on parental skills. Mandatory annual parenting skills training and testing. Random drug testing of all parents. Random home inspections of all parents. Three strikes and you lose legal rights to your kids and they go to foster care.

Sounds good. You call Noah's mom, or Jett's dad, and tell them what terrible parents they are. Have the NRA help you make those calls, and maybe some of the Republicans in Congress too.

Do you suggest telling them it's not their fault they bought guns? You are not making any sense whatsoever.

I'm pretty sure the parents of the dead children know full well they messed up, and I've got no problem with criminal charges. But all the criminal charges in the world won't bring back the children killed by your guns.

If we want to try to slow this line of child gun victims, we need to act before they get shot, not after. You gun people have a responsibility to develop and implement safety rules and laws that stop the senseless deaths. If you want your gun hobby to be permitted, you need to keep it safe. If you can't keep it safe, then the rest of us have no choice but to regulate you.

How's this for a start? ... Every gun must be registered with the state police. When you register your gun, you have to indicate whether any children will be in the primary place where you keep the gun. Once per year, someone from the state will visit your property to check that the gun is stored safely and that any children living there are aware of proper safety precautions. IMHO, that's a good start. Do you disagree?

If you want to keep your gun, you need to put up with the steps necessary to keep it safe.

June 26, 2016 -- CLEVELAND, Ohio — The parents of a 10-year-old boy who police say accidentally shot his 8-year-old cousin while they played with a gun on Saturday afternoon said they've taught their son to alert an adult when they see a gun and to never play with one. The 10-year-old boy's mother said she was working as a nurse in Ravenna when she got the call about the shooting. She said her son should have known to tell an adult at the home they had a gun. "They know better," she said. "We're not sure where they got the gun. They were playing at the park and came home right before it happened."

The two boys, along with the 8-year-old's twin brother, were playing with the gun when it fired. A bullet hit the 8-year-old in the upper left shoulder. The bullet went through the boy's shoulder and out his arm. He was taken to Fairview Hospital in stable condition, according to police.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/06/parents_of_boy_10_who_accident.html

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Anonymous wrote:Junk food has killed more people than all wars and famine combined!
http://www.truth-out.org/speakout/item/26055-how-junk-food-may-kill-more-people-than-all-wars-and-famine-combined

If your goal is really to save people, then push for banning junk food.

I'd rather die by Cheetos than shot by a gun.

I question the stats on gun deaths because by law the government isn't allowed to collect the data. How can anyone justify making the gathering of information illegal? If you have to hide the facts, you have a problem.

So the goal is not saving the poor children then?

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Anonymous wrote:Stop using children to push an obnoxious, freedom-killing political agenda.

You figure out how to stop killing children then. If you want to own guns, you need to figure out how to keep them safe. Clean up your own mess.

That's an easy one, concentrate on parental skills. Mandatory annual parenting skills training and testing. Random drug testing of all parents. Random home inspections of all parents. Three strikes and you lose legal rights to your kids and they go to foster care.

Sounds good. You call Noah's mom, or Jett's dad, and tell them what terrible parents they are. Have the NRA help you make those calls, and maybe some of the Republicans in Congress too.

Do you suggest telling them it's not their fault they bought guns? You are not making any sense whatsoever.

Anonymous wrote:At least the GOP gets its blood money.

that kook-aid you're drinking, what flavor is it? Did you sweeten it at all to help the taste?

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June 26, 2016 - Christy Sheats, 42, shot and killed her two young daughters, Taylor, 22, and Madison Sheats, 17, on what neighbors said was their father’s birthday, according to local reports. A family spat started inside the married couple’s Houston-area home and spiraled into gun violence that spilled out onto their street.

"It would be horribly tragic if my ability to protect myself or my family were to be taken away," Sheats wrote in March on her Facebook page, "but that's exactly what Democrats are determined to do by banning semi-automatic handguns."

the latest is that the mom has a history of mental problems

Yup, definitely someone who should own a firearm

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Anonymous wrote:Junk food has killed more people than all wars and famine combined!
http://www.truth-out.org/speakout/item/26055-how-junk-food-may-kill-more-people-than-all-wars-and-famine-combined

If your goal is really to save people, then push for banning junk food.

I'd rather die by Cheetos than shot by a gun.

I question the stats on gun deaths because by law the government isn't allowed to collect the data. How can anyone justify making the gathering of information illegal? If you have to hide the facts, you have a problem.

It's not illegal to collect the data. It's illegal to do research that promotes or advocates for or against gun control. It's the nature of statistics, you can bend them to support almost any conclusion.

It's well established that a large proportion of gun deaths are classified in police reports under blanket categories such as "accident." Sure, a toddler shooting itself or its sibling or its mother is technically an accident. So are DUI or texting crashes, drinking drain cleaner, overdosing on opioids, or clogging an artery from eating too many Cheetos.

CDC gathers data and does research on a large number of health risks. Only gun use is specifically excluded. There's no valid reason for it.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/crazy-mom-arrested-6-old-153543270.html

A mom in NJ has been arrested after her 6 year old shot her 4 year old

I'm sure all the pro gun charts and talk of swimming pool deaths provides great comfort to the parents of children Killed by handguns. Keep it up.

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You're full of shit. This refers to deaths worldwide, even assuming the source is legitimate and reliable. Civilized countries don't allow their citizens to carry guns to randomly kill people with so of course gun deaths would be a tiny fraction of the worldwide total as opposed to U.S. totals.

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June 26, 2016 - Christy Sheats, 42, shot and killed her two young daughters, Taylor, 22, and Madison Sheats, 17, on what neighbors said was their father’s birthday, according to local reports. A family spat started inside the married couple’s Houston-area home and spiraled into gun violence that spilled out onto their street.

"It would be horribly tragic if my ability to protect myself or my family were to be taken away," Sheats wrote in March on her Facebook page, "but that's exactly what Democrats are determined to do by banning semi-automatic handguns."

Wow. The irony.

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Anonymous wrote:Junk food has killed more people than all wars and famine combined!
http://www.truth-out.org/speakout/item/26055-how-junk-food-may-kill-more-people-than-all-wars-and-famine-combined

If your goal is really to save people, then push for banning junk food.

I'd rather die by Cheetos than shot by a gun.

I question the stats on gun deaths because by law the government isn't allowed to collect the data. How can anyone justify making the gathering of information illegal? If you have to hide the facts, you have a problem.

It's not illegal to collect the data. It's illegal to do research that promotes or advocates for or against gun control. It's the nature of statistics, you can bend them to support almost any conclusion.

It's well established that a large proportion of gun deaths are classified in police reports under blanket categories such as "accident." Sure, a toddler shooting itself or its sibling or its mother is technically an accident. So are DUI or texting crashes, drinking drain cleaner, overdosing on opioids, or clogging an artery from eating too many Cheetos.

June 26, 2016 - Christy Sheats, 42, shot and killed her two young daughters, Taylor, 22, and Madison Sheats, 17, on what neighbors said was their father’s birthday, according to local reports. A family spat started inside the married couple’s Houston-area home and spiraled into gun violence that spilled out onto their street.

"It would be horribly tragic if my ability to protect myself or my family were to be taken away," Sheats wrote in March on her Facebook page, "but that's exactly what Democrats are determined to do by banning semi-automatic handguns."