Anonymous
Post 06/22/2016 15:06     Subject: 2016 Best DC Metro Area High Schools
Why is NCS' SAT score 49 points higher than STA yet STA has a higher portion of NMSFs?
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2016 15:02     Subject: 2016 Best DC Metro Area High Schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:RANK HIGH SCHOOL AVERAGE SAT NATIONAL MERIT SEMI-FINALISTS PRESIDENTIAL SCHOLAR CANDIDATES NUMBER ATTENDING 15 TOP COLLEGES TYPE CITY STATE
1 Thomas Jefferson Magnet 1466 31.90% 5.61% 9.18% Magnet Alexandria VA
2 Montgomery Blair Magnet 1488 25.69% 4.51% Not reported Magnet Silver Spring MD
3 Sidwell Friends School 1400 13.76% 9.70% 14.40% Private Washington DC
4 National Cathedral School (NCS) 1399 9.92% 9.76% 15.79% Private Washington DC
5 St. Albans School 1350 13.30% 7.79% 14.21% Private Washington DC
6 Maret School 1373 4.74% 8.07% 10.42% Private Washington DC
7 Georgetown Day School 1343 7.34% 4.72% 9.54% Private Washington DC
8 St. Anselm's School 1351 8.09% 2.94% 5.22% Private Washington DC
9 Holton-Arms School 1351 9.18% 2.49% 7.09% Private Bethesda MD
10 Potomac School 1324 7.23% 1.20% 6.63% Private McLean VA
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If you include RM magnet

1. RMIB magnet 1500 (avg SAT) 40% (NMSF)
2. Blair magnet 1488 25.69
3. TJ magnet 1466 31.90

then rest...


There was a Blair supporter saying how Blair magnet was better than TJ and now there is a RM supporter doing the same thing.


It's not about TJ, idiot.
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2016 14:37     Subject: Re:2016 Best DC Metro Area High Schools
How does GDS have such low average SAT scores yet manage to get half of its 12th graders into Harvard each year?? (Sorry, couldn't resist)
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2016 14:10     Subject: 2016 Best DC Metro Area High Schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:RANK HIGH SCHOOL AVERAGE SAT NATIONAL MERIT SEMI-FINALISTS PRESIDENTIAL SCHOLAR CANDIDATES NUMBER ATTENDING 15 TOP COLLEGES TYPE CITY STATE
1 Thomas Jefferson Magnet 1466 31.90% 5.61% 9.18% Magnet Alexandria VA
2 Montgomery Blair Magnet 1488 25.69% 4.51% Not reported Magnet Silver Spring MD
3 Sidwell Friends School 1400 13.76% 9.70% 14.40% Private Washington DC
4 National Cathedral School (NCS) 1399 9.92% 9.76% 15.79% Private Washington DC
5 St. Albans School 1350 13.30% 7.79% 14.21% Private Washington DC
6 Maret School 1373 4.74% 8.07% 10.42% Private Washington DC
7 Georgetown Day School 1343 7.34% 4.72% 9.54% Private Washington DC
8 St. Anselm's School 1351 8.09% 2.94% 5.22% Private Washington DC
9 Holton-Arms School 1351 9.18% 2.49% 7.09% Private Bethesda MD
10 Potomac School 1324 7.23% 1.20% 6.63% Private McLean VA
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If you include RM magnet

1. RMIB magnet 1500 (avg SAT) 40% (NMSF)
2. Blair magnet 1488 25.69
3. TJ magnet 1466 31.90

then rest...


There was a Blair supporter saying how Blair magnet was better than TJ and now there is a RM supporter doing the same thing.
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2016 12:58     Subject: 2016 Best DC Metro Area High Schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:RANK HIGH SCHOOL AVERAGE SAT NATIONAL MERIT SEMI-FINALISTS PRESIDENTIAL SCHOLAR CANDIDATES NUMBER ATTENDING 15 TOP COLLEGES TYPE CITY STATE
1 Thomas Jefferson Magnet 1466 31.90% 5.61% 9.18% Magnet Alexandria VA
2 Montgomery Blair Magnet 1488 25.69% 4.51% Not reported Magnet Silver Spring MD
3 Sidwell Friends School 1400 13.76% 9.70% 14.40% Private Washington DC
4 National Cathedral School (NCS) 1399 9.92% 9.76% 15.79% Private Washington DC
5 St. Albans School 1350 13.30% 7.79% 14.21% Private Washington DC
6 Maret School 1373 4.74% 8.07% 10.42% Private Washington DC
7 Georgetown Day School 1343 7.34% 4.72% 9.54% Private Washington DC
8 St. Anselm's School 1351 8.09% 2.94% 5.22% Private Washington DC
9 Holton-Arms School 1351 9.18% 2.49% 7.09% Private Bethesda MD
10 Potomac School 1324 7.23% 1.20% 6.63% Private McLean VA
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If you include RM magnet

1. RMIB magnet 1500 (avg SAT) 40% (NMSF)
2. Blair magnet 1488 25.69
3. TJ magnet 1466 31.90

then rest...


Links for 1500 SAT and 40% (NMSF)?


http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/rmhs/ib/IB%202015-16%20Profile.pdf

See bottom of page 1. Each class is 100 kids

National Merit Scholarship Competition; Semifinalists Class of 2016 - 40

• The Median SAT scores for the Class of 2016.
Verbal - 750 Math - 750 Writing - 730 Total - 2240



1. It says 114 were accepted and enrolled not 100.
2. The data for ranking methodology is using average SAT not median SAT score to rank. The cited SAT scores are median scores.
3. For class of 2016 40/114=35% (The actual ranking appears to have used older data from 2006 to 2015 not just 1 year for 2016)
4. For example, TJ had 169 NMSF for 2016 so that would make the % of NMSF 169/480=35.2%


I seem to remember that this list was bouncing around DCUM late last year and resulted in the same "my kid's school should have ranked higher" pissing contests. So, I guess, here we go again...
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2016 12:56     Subject: 2016 Best DC Metro Area High Schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Doesn't that document say 114 enrolled, not 100?


kids drop out as they move up the grade for various reasons - mostly due to rigor/stress.


I'm confused. Are you saying exactly enough drop out every year to make the class 100 students?

Here are some other links -

All of RM had 28 semifinalists in 2010, so perhaps 40 in 2015 is something of a high water mark?
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedfiles/schools/rmhs/46062_profilebrochure.pdf

RMIB program had 26 semifinalists in 2013
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/rmhs/ib/Sample%20Senior%20letter.pdf

Other RMIB data from a brochure
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/rmhs/ib/OFFICIAL%20FINAL%20OPEN%20HOUSE%202014.pdf

No one's saying your child's program isn't a good one. Seems like an excellent magnet program for the right kids. But may I suggest you're working a little too hard to sell it here, and you're engaging in the sort of hypercompetitive one-upsmanship that is not particularly healthy? Also, just as you can cherrypick certain statistics that paint RMIB in a favorable light, others can cherrypick other statistics that paint it less favorably. I like the advice someone posted earlier about finding the right program for each child, and not making the mistake of thinking that the program will somehow change the child significantly.


That's fine. I wasn't trying to sell anything. Just reacting to the table OP posted. What do I care about what people think about my kid's school, right? Number 1 on the list is fine, number 17 is fine...whatever is fine. Rankings add no value.
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2016 12:49     Subject: 2016 Best DC Metro Area High Schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:RANK HIGH SCHOOL AVERAGE SAT NATIONAL MERIT SEMI-FINALISTS PRESIDENTIAL SCHOLAR CANDIDATES NUMBER ATTENDING 15 TOP COLLEGES TYPE CITY STATE
1 Thomas Jefferson Magnet 1466 31.90% 5.61% 9.18% Magnet Alexandria VA
2 Montgomery Blair Magnet 1488 25.69% 4.51% Not reported Magnet Silver Spring MD
3 Sidwell Friends School 1400 13.76% 9.70% 14.40% Private Washington DC
4 National Cathedral School (NCS) 1399 9.92% 9.76% 15.79% Private Washington DC
5 St. Albans School 1350 13.30% 7.79% 14.21% Private Washington DC
6 Maret School 1373 4.74% 8.07% 10.42% Private Washington DC
7 Georgetown Day School 1343 7.34% 4.72% 9.54% Private Washington DC
8 St. Anselm's School 1351 8.09% 2.94% 5.22% Private Washington DC
9 Holton-Arms School 1351 9.18% 2.49% 7.09% Private Bethesda MD
10 Potomac School 1324 7.23% 1.20% 6.63% Private McLean VA
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If you include RM magnet

1. RMIB magnet 1500 (avg SAT) 40% (NMSF)
2. Blair magnet 1488 25.69
3. TJ magnet 1466 31.90

then rest...


Links for 1500 SAT and 40% (NMSF)?


http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/rmhs/ib/IB%202015-16%20Profile.pdf

See bottom of page 1. Each class is 100 kids

National Merit Scholarship Competition; Semifinalists Class of 2016 - 40

• The Median SAT scores for the Class of 2016.
Verbal - 750 Math - 750 Writing - 730 Total - 2240



1. It says 114 were accepted and enrolled not 100.
2. The data for ranking methodology is using average SAT not median SAT score to rank. The cited SAT scores are median scores.
3. For class of 2016 40/114=35% (The actual ranking appears to have used older data from 2006 to 2015 not just 1 year for 2016)
4. For example, TJ had 169 NMSF for 2016 so that would make the % of NMSF 169/480=35.2%
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2016 12:48     Subject: 2016 Best DC Metro Area High Schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Doesn't that document say 114 enrolled, not 100?


kids drop out as they move up the grade for various reasons - mostly due to rigor/stress.


I'm confused. Are you saying exactly enough drop out every year to make the class 100 students?

Here are some other links -

All of RM had 28 semifinalists in 2010, so perhaps 40 in 2015 is something of a high water mark?
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedfiles/schools/rmhs/46062_profilebrochure.pdf

RMIB program had 26 semifinalists in 2013
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/rmhs/ib/Sample%20Senior%20letter.pdf

Other RMIB data from a brochure
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/rmhs/ib/OFFICIAL%20FINAL%20OPEN%20HOUSE%202014.pdf

No one's saying your child's program isn't a good one. Seems like an excellent magnet program for the right kids. But may I suggest you're working a little too hard to sell it here, and you're engaging in the sort of hypercompetitive one-upsmanship that is not particularly healthy? Also, just as you can cherrypick certain statistics that paint RMIB in a favorable light, others can cherrypick other statistics that paint it less favorably. I like the advice someone posted earlier about finding the right program for each child, and not making the mistake of thinking that the program will somehow change the child significantly.
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2016 12:38     Subject: 2016 Best DC Metro Area High Schools
Anonymous wrote:Doesn't that document say 114 enrolled, not 100?


kids drop out as they move up the grade for various reasons - mostly due to rigor/stress.
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2016 12:34     Subject: 2016 Best DC Metro Area High Schools
Doesn't that document say 114 enrolled, not 100?
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2016 12:23     Subject: 2016 Best DC Metro Area High Schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:RANK HIGH SCHOOL AVERAGE SAT NATIONAL MERIT SEMI-FINALISTS PRESIDENTIAL SCHOLAR CANDIDATES NUMBER ATTENDING 15 TOP COLLEGES TYPE CITY STATE
1 Thomas Jefferson Magnet 1466 31.90% 5.61% 9.18% Magnet Alexandria VA
2 Montgomery Blair Magnet 1488 25.69% 4.51% Not reported Magnet Silver Spring MD
3 Sidwell Friends School 1400 13.76% 9.70% 14.40% Private Washington DC
4 National Cathedral School (NCS) 1399 9.92% 9.76% 15.79% Private Washington DC
5 St. Albans School 1350 13.30% 7.79% 14.21% Private Washington DC
6 Maret School 1373 4.74% 8.07% 10.42% Private Washington DC
7 Georgetown Day School 1343 7.34% 4.72% 9.54% Private Washington DC
8 St. Anselm's School 1351 8.09% 2.94% 5.22% Private Washington DC
9 Holton-Arms School 1351 9.18% 2.49% 7.09% Private Bethesda MD
10 Potomac School 1324 7.23% 1.20% 6.63% Private McLean VA
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If you include RM magnet

1. RMIB magnet 1500 (avg SAT) 40% (NMSF)
2. Blair magnet 1488 25.69
3. TJ magnet 1466 31.90

then rest...


Links for 1500 SAT and 40% (NMSF)?


http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/rmhs/ib/IB%202015-16%20Profile.pdf

See bottom of page 1. Each class is 100 kids

National Merit Scholarship Competition; Semifinalists Class of 2016 - 40

• The Median SAT scores for the Class of 2016.
Verbal - 750 Math - 750 Writing - 730 Total - 2240
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2016 12:18     Subject: 2016 Best DC Metro Area High Schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:RANK HIGH SCHOOL AVERAGE SAT NATIONAL MERIT SEMI-FINALISTS PRESIDENTIAL SCHOLAR CANDIDATES NUMBER ATTENDING 15 TOP COLLEGES TYPE CITY STATE
1 Thomas Jefferson Magnet 1466 31.90% 5.61% 9.18% Magnet Alexandria VA
2 Montgomery Blair Magnet 1488 25.69% 4.51% Not reported Magnet Silver Spring MD
3 Sidwell Friends School 1400 13.76% 9.70% 14.40% Private Washington DC
4 National Cathedral School (NCS) 1399 9.92% 9.76% 15.79% Private Washington DC
5 St. Albans School 1350 13.30% 7.79% 14.21% Private Washington DC
6 Maret School 1373 4.74% 8.07% 10.42% Private Washington DC
7 Georgetown Day School 1343 7.34% 4.72% 9.54% Private Washington DC
8 St. Anselm's School 1351 8.09% 2.94% 5.22% Private Washington DC
9 Holton-Arms School 1351 9.18% 2.49% 7.09% Private Bethesda MD
10 Potomac School 1324 7.23% 1.20% 6.63% Private McLean VA
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.
.


If you include RM magnet

1. RMIB magnet 1500 (avg SAT) 40% (NMSF)
2. Blair magnet 1488 25.69
3. TJ magnet 1466 31.90

then rest...


Links for 1500 SAT and 40% (NMSF)?
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2016 10:22     Subject: 2016 Best DC Metro Area High Schools
Anonymous wrote:RANK HIGH SCHOOL AVERAGE SAT NATIONAL MERIT SEMI-FINALISTS PRESIDENTIAL SCHOLAR CANDIDATES NUMBER ATTENDING 15 TOP COLLEGES TYPE CITY STATE
1 Thomas Jefferson Magnet 1466 31.90% 5.61% 9.18% Magnet Alexandria VA
2 Montgomery Blair Magnet 1488 25.69% 4.51% Not reported Magnet Silver Spring MD
3 Sidwell Friends School 1400 13.76% 9.70% 14.40% Private Washington DC
4 National Cathedral School (NCS) 1399 9.92% 9.76% 15.79% Private Washington DC
5 St. Albans School 1350 13.30% 7.79% 14.21% Private Washington DC
6 Maret School 1373 4.74% 8.07% 10.42% Private Washington DC
7 Georgetown Day School 1343 7.34% 4.72% 9.54% Private Washington DC
8 St. Anselm's School 1351 8.09% 2.94% 5.22% Private Washington DC
9 Holton-Arms School 1351 9.18% 2.49% 7.09% Private Bethesda MD
10 Potomac School 1324 7.23% 1.20% 6.63% Private McLean VA
.
.
.


If you include RM magnet

1. RMIB magnet 1500 (avg SAT) 40% (NMSF)
2. Blair magnet 1488 25.69
3. TJ magnet 1466 31.90

then rest...
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2016 10:17     Subject: 2016 Best DC Metro Area High Schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:2 Montgomery Blair Magnet 1488 25.69% 4.51% Not reported Magnet Silver Spring MD

17 Richard Montgomery High School 1190 6.22% 1.07% 4.45% Public Rockville MD

I don't know if the table is any good but I can tell you two schools I am familiar with (Blair and RM) are, at best, misleading.

For Blair Magnet
- 1488 is for SMAC kids
- 25.69% is for SMAC and PAC program combined.

For RM

- 1190 is entire school
- if you count just magnet (RM/IB), it's close to Blair
- 6.22% is wrong. RM/IB NMSF is over 40%

I guess what I am saying is the table seems to contain a lot of errors.


I was wondering this as well, seems like the RMIB needs to be reported separately.


If you do that, at 1500, RMIB will be on the top.



It's number 17! Get over it!


They counted Blair separately so why not the same for RM IB?


Good point! Maybe, MBHS shouldn't be number 2.
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2016 10:15     Subject: 2016 Best DC Metro Area High Schools
Anonymous wrote:RANK HIGH SCHOOL AVERAGE SAT NATIONAL MERIT SEMI-FINALISTS PRESIDENTIAL SCHOLAR CANDIDATES NUMBER ATTENDING 15 TOP COLLEGES TYPE CITY STATE
1 Thomas Jefferson Magnet 1466 31.90% 5.61% 9.18% Magnet Alexandria VA
2 Montgomery Blair Magnet 1488 25.69% 4.51% Not reported Magnet Silver Spring MD
3 Sidwell Friends School 1400 13.76% 9.70% 14.40% Private Washington DC
4 National Cathedral School (NCS) 1399 9.92% 9.76% 15.79% Private Washington DC
5 St. Albans School 1350 13.30% 7.79% 14.21% Private Washington DC
6 Maret School 1373 4.74% 8.07% 10.42% Private Washington DC
7 Georgetown Day School 1343 7.34% 4.72% 9.54% Private Washington DC
8 St. Anselm's School 1351 8.09% 2.94% 5.22% Private Washington DC
9 Holton-Arms School 1351 9.18% 2.49% 7.09% Private Bethesda MD
10 Potomac School 1324 7.23% 1.20% 6.63% Private McLean VA
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One can argue that the top two schools selected every student based on testing ability and past academic performance at an age when those things were very accurate indicators of future performance. Schools three thru ten accepted most of their students when they were much younger and their performance relies more on the quality of the school than prescreening for ninth grade.