Anonymous wrote:Yep, it's that easy. Just check the AA box and voila!, admitted to all eight Ivy's. Ignorant.

Don't forget female as well

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Anonymous wrote:Nigerians, especially the Igbo people, kick butt.

Nigerians are very good at math - a lot of the TAs / PhDs at my Ivy were Nigerians. There are lots of Nigerian doctors who went to went to top schools - Hopkins, Ohio Univ, UCSF. I work with two Nigerian engineers from MIT and they are both excellent.

Well, at least the cream of the crop that come over here for grad school are. There's going to be plenty of smart people in a country of 140 million; doesn't mean they're all smart. Look at India; we are bursting at the seams with smart Indians in the US, but India when tested against global norms?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/education/news/Indian-students-rank-2nd-last-in-global-test/articleshow/11492508.cms

Second to last out of 73 countries.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, she is a great candidate. Why are people stuck on race?

Because we need simple answers and a Boogeyman. It is the American way

Actually it's an issue worth discussing because there is a minority being discriminated against and that's Asians.

Heck, this debate came up within the last year or two about how one of the NY magnet schools was being sued by the NAACP over the number of black admissions but the imbalance wasn't being caused by whites but rather by Asians.

Ditto for teaching %'s at universities....not enough blacks....but the group you'd have to "fix" to get the numbers to work would have to be Asians.

So, this isn't really a topic where you can wade in and claim some sort of moral high ground and blame the problem on "whining entitled white males" straight from script. It raises some really uncomfortable realities.

Me personally, I think that it will (correctly) push us towards more socio-economic criteria rather than pigmentation criteria.

Oh, also please note that there have been MANY complaints from blacks in the US about how schools have admitted people from Africa etc. and used a "black slot up" when the person hasn't had to come up in the US system with racism and might have affluent, highly educated parents etc.

It's a really tricky, complicated issue...not one to just be waved off as white whining because the most affected are ironically minorities and even men might start getting more *help* in admissions as the balance shifts.

(I am black, FWIW.)

That's not going to work if you still want a significant number of black student at top schools. The children of poor white and Asian kids score the same on the SAT as the children of the most affluent black families. If you boosted by SES you would increase the number of white and Asian students and would drastically reduce the number of black and Hispanic students.

No, this is factually incorrect. Black and Hispanic students make up less than 20% of most of the top schools. If you boosted just by SES and kept all other factors equal, like geography and athletics, there would be more Asians yes, but the group that would take the largest hit in numbers would be whites. All you need to look at to observe this is UC Berkeley. Versus 20 years ago, URMs are down, but the biggest hit in number is to white middle class kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, she is a great candidate. Why are people stuck on race?

Because we need simple answers and a Boogeyman. It is the American way

Actually it's an issue worth discussing because there is a minority being discriminated against and that's Asians.

Heck, this debate came up within the last year or two about how one of the NY magnet schools was being sued by the NAACP over the number of black admissions but the imbalance wasn't being caused by whites but rather by Asians.

Ditto for teaching %'s at universities....not enough blacks....but the group you'd have to "fix" to get the numbers to work would have to be Asians.

So, this isn't really a topic where you can wade in and claim some sort of moral high ground and blame the problem on "whining entitled white males" straight from script. It raises some really uncomfortable realities.

Me personally, I think that it will (correctly) push us towards more socio-economic criteria rather than pigmentation criteria.

Oh, also please note that there have been MANY complaints from blacks in the US about how schools have admitted people from Africa etc. and used a "black slot up" when the person hasn't had to come up in the US system with racism and might have affluent, highly educated parents etc.

It's a really tricky, complicated issue...not one to just be waved off as white whining because the most affected are ironically minorities and even men might start getting more *help* in admissions as the balance shifts.

(I am black, FWIW.)

That's not going to work if you still want a significant number of black student at top schools. The children of poor white and Asian kids score the same on the SAT as the children of the most affluent black families. If you boosted by SES you would increase the number of white and Asian students and would drastically reduce the number of black and Hispanic students.

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Anonymous wrote:Show me an Asian who gets admitted to all eight and I'll be impressed.

AA? Give me a break. The standards are significantly reduced.

You are a sad, sad little person.

Asians need 150 points higher than whites and 450 points higher than blacks on sats according to http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21669595-asian-americans-are-united-states-most-successful-minority-they-are-complaining-ever

Hmm, do I want a land grant university in a rural setting or a very urban pre-professional environment. Do I want to be in the heart of NYC or in a small NH town? Do I want a completely open curriculum or one of the most restrictive set of core requirements in the country?

It's ok to go for getting into all 8 Ivies but it's also ok to contemplate that the effort is driven more by seeking hype and less by a sensible college admissions strategy

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, she is a great candidate. Why are people stuck on race?

Because we need simple answers and a Boogeyman. It is the American way

Actually it's an issue worth discussing because there is a minority being discriminated against and that's Asians.

Heck, this debate came up within the last year or two about how one of the NY magnet schools was being sued by the NAACP over the number of black admissions but the imbalance wasn't being caused by whites but rather by Asians.

Ditto for teaching %'s at universities....not enough blacks....but the group you'd have to "fix" to get the numbers to work would have to be Asians.

So, this isn't really a topic where you can wade in and claim some sort of moral high ground and blame the problem on "whining entitled white males" straight from script. It raises some really uncomfortable realities.

Me personally, I think that it will (correctly) push us towards more socio-economic criteria rather than pigmentation criteria.

Oh, also please note that there have been MANY complaints from blacks in the US about how schools have admitted people from Africa etc. and used a "black slot up" when the person hasn't had to come up in the US system with racism and might have affluent, highly educated parents etc.

It's a really tricky, complicated issue...not one to just be waved off as white whining because the most affected are ironically minorities and even men might start getting more *help* in admissions as the balance shifts.

(I am black, FWIW.)

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Anonymous wrote:Did this young, white student have an ulterior motive for applying to all 8 Ivys and getting accepted to all eight? Not hardly. Kudos to him AND the young black NY teen. They worked and earned it.

http://www.businessinsider.com/stefan-stoykov-accepted-to-all-eight-ivy-league-schools-2015-4

Yes; it's clearly an ego/publicity thing. The schools are very different; I can't imagine being interested in all of them.

Yes, we get it PP. it's all about you?

Anonymous wrote:Nigerians, especially the Igbo people, kick butt.

Nigerians are very good at math - a lot of the TAs / PhDs at my Ivy were Nigerians. There are lots of Nigerian doctors who went to went to top schools - Hopkins, Ohio Univ, UCSF. I work with two Nigerian engineers from MIT and they are both excellent.

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Anonymous wrote:Show me an Asian who gets admitted to all eight and I'll be impressed.

AA? Give me a break. The standards are significantly reduced.

It will never happen.

Indian American girl was in the news last year for doing just what you've said would never happen. God, all you people are racist morons.

MIT was her safety or RPI lol https://www.facebook.com/FOX5NY/videos/10154194757061320/

Thereby keeping the world safe for the good white people of the world...

No surprise here - student can fill out multiple boxes. Please note the UMD continues to draw from the local hoods and wonders why the crime is so bad. They almost got it 15 years ago, but got rid of that admissions official.

Anonymous wrote:Show me an Asian who gets admitted to all eight and I'll be impressed.

AA? Give me a break. The standards are significantly reduced.

You are a sad, sad little person.

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Anonymous wrote:Nigerians, especially the Igbo people, kick butt.

Yes, they value education and are successful in college and in the workplace.
However, they do not fit your typical disadvantaged immigrant or URM profile - most of the Nigerian immigrant families are middle-class (and just plain wealthy by the home county's standards), and parents of today's college immigrants are educated professionals.
I'd say the young woman in the article is not much different from your standard Ivy applicant from a white or asian middle-class family with laser focus on high-profile prize.

I do not begrudge her success, but let's face it - this ain't a rags to riches story. Now if there was a kid from a Somalian immigrant family, or an American-born inner city kid that made it to an Ivy...

These threads are depressing. Now you are parsing blackness?

Yes, there are different groups among blacks, where SES is closely tied to country/region of origin, and believe me, there is no love lost between these groups.