Anonymous
Post 04/06/2016 09:34     Subject: Would you relocate your OBX trip bc of new NC law?
Anonymous wrote:Somehow I don't think folks who vacation on the redneck Riviera care that deeply.


That's Panama City, FL.
Anonymous
Post 04/06/2016 09:32     Subject: Would you relocate your OBX trip bc of new NC law?
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Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure how I feel about the restroom issue. But there should absolutely be protection from discrimination in a larger sense, such as employment.


Religious practices need to be prptected as well, especially for sole proprietorships and small family businesses.


Unless your business is as a mohel, exorcist, or spiritual advisor, your religious practice has no business in a pubic business
And this law did more than just keep TGs out of the bathroom; it codified discrimination for LGBT+ at every level. Way to go NC>


Yes, this is the problem and a major step backward for the state and the country. Not to mention an embarrassment. If your child was gay or transgender, how would you feel?


Why are people conflating gay with transgender. They are not one and the same.
Anonymous
Post 04/06/2016 09:30     Subject: Re:Would you relocate your OBX trip bc of new NC law?
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Anonymous wrote:Great! Send me the information on the house you have booked, OP. We are changing our reservation from Florida TO North Carolina, because of the courage of the governor there.

Are you defending discrimination? Can you explain why, honestly? What if your own child was gay or transgender? A teen in my carpool has come out as transgender, changing to a new name, and watching this family struggle as they do their best to support their beloved child has taught me a lot. This is a GREAT kid, who is not an attention-seeker (you learn a lot about kids driving them every morning). This child is doing their best. Why would you wish ill on someone who already has a lot to overcome in life and is actually in physical danger in many places. This would be so hard as a mother.


I cannot believe that I am taking valuable time out of my day to post the obvious here, but apparently that is now necessary. It is not "discrimination" to codify into law -- indeed it, should not even be necessary to have to codify into law, but that is the insane mindset of the world now -- that men are not allowed in women's restrooms, and vice versa, as a matter of the comfort, safety and well being of the general population. No one is being discriminated against, at least if you really understand the meaning of that word. I pee here, you pee there. No one is denying your right to pee, while elevating my right to pee to another level.

Thank you for adding the tidbit about the child in your carpool. That child needs love, help, understanding, guidance and obviously the professional assistance of a qualified mental health professional. He or she does not need the world around him/ her "supporting" his/ her deep-seated misguided pain and cry for help by pretending that everything is A-OK when -- quite obviously -- it is not.


MIL, is that you?! Go back to watching Fox News.



That's the best you can do?! Pretend this is your mother-in-law, when in reality (not that reality is really important to you, of course), you know that this statement represents the thinking of sane people everywhere?

I rest my case.


LOL. "Sane people everywhere" - sure!!

Let's just say - the only people I know IRL who actually think this way are: batshit crazy, old people who definitely watch a lot of Fox News.

So if it sounds like a duck and walks like a duck...


NP. You don't know or talk to very many people. Or perhaps, you limit your circle of people and are not open to hearing other views. Whatever, I find myself looking at CNN and MSNBC. If I look at Fox, rarely, it's to see what the Shepard guy is reporting in regards to an issue I've been following. Oh, I guess depending on who you talk to, I'm old to some, middle age to others, and youngish to a different set of others.
Anonymous
Post 04/06/2016 08:50     Subject: Re:Would you relocate your OBX trip bc of new NC law?
Yeah, I would. And I would say why.
Anonymous
Post 04/06/2016 08:09     Subject: Would you relocate your OBX trip bc of new NC law?
I'm gay, and while I guess I'm supposed to have a massive problem with this law, I really don't. I don't think it's unreasonable to use the bathroom that corresponds with your anatomy. Once you undergo a physical transition and your anatomy changes, you can use a different restroom. Seems pretty fair to me. Where's the discrimination?

Of course, I am 100% against discrimination of the LGBT community in employment, but let's be real, creating a protected class under the law isn't much more than a feel-good measure. Most employment is "at will" so you can be fired at any time with or without a reason. Unless your boss sits you down and says "we're firing you because you're gay," what does a law like this provide for us? Plus, how often does that realistically happen? Maybe in 1976, but in 2016, the vast majority of employers know better than to say things like this to your face. Maybe protected class is important for those rare situations, but I think the benefits of being a protected class are greatly exaggerated.
Anonymous
Post 04/04/2016 14:11     Subject: Would you relocate your OBX trip bc of new NC law?
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Anonymous wrote:No. Frankly, I don't see what all the fuss is about. For a long time, I've wondered if the LGB get weighted down with all the T baggage. I wouldn't want some male tranny coming in to use the women's room when I'm there and especially not when my daughter is there. Frankly, this is why the Democrats are losing so much of middle America. They seem to care more about Hollywood and Easter liberal elite values (which apparently include transvestite 'rights') rather than the issues that matter to most people.



I assume you mean a female transgender person? Do you really think they are going to get naked right there at the sink?
They will walk in a cubicle, shut the door, take care of business, dress, wash their hands and leave.....just like everyone else.


What was allowed under Charlotte's ordinance was for any person to use a public restroom based on the gender they identify with. Falling under restrooms are changing/locker rooms at your local public pool or gym, so, for example, any man could go into a women's locker room claiming he identifies as female and watch a mother and her young daughter undress. Personally I think that goes too far and support HB2 for rolling it back.

That said, the bill also had the effect of removing LGBTs as a protected class by saying that no local laws could provide more protection than State law does. Right now a gay person in NC is not protected from discrimination by NC law and can be terminated from employment because of sexual orientation (but not race, religion, sex, etc.). Certain municipalities had their own laws providing gays with this protection, but HB2 removes those protections, which, in my opinion, is unconscionable.
Anonymous
Post 04/03/2016 22:52     Subject: Would you relocate your OBX trip bc of new NC law?
We drove through NC last week & my DH used the single stall women's restroom at a BP in Fayetteville BP because the men's was locked. I was concerned for his safety...
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Post 04/03/2016 22:36     Subject: Would you relocate your OBX trip bc of new NC law?
Yes, because OBX sucks and I can get a rickedy, overpriced beach house in Bethany.
Anonymous
Post 04/03/2016 16:14     Subject: Re:Would you relocate your OBX trip bc of new NC law?
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Anonymous wrote:Great! Send me the information on the house you have booked, OP. We are changing our reservation from Florida TO North Carolina, because of the courage of the governor there.


Explain yourself.


No explanation neessary. I support the law and the governor's upholding of it and, like op, choose to voice my opinion economically


+1. I'd rather take our family vacation in a state that celebrates family values (and has great bar eques) rather than one that worships sodomy and transvestism.


I'd rather take a family vacation that celebrates ALL families, not just some.
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Post 04/03/2016 16:11     Subject: Re:Would you relocate your OBX trip bc of new NC law?
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Anonymous wrote:Great! Send me the information on the house you have booked, OP. We are changing our reservation from Florida TO North Carolina, because of the courage of the governor there.


Explain yourself.


No explanation neessary. I support the law and the governor's upholding of it and, like op, choose to voice my opinion economically


+1. I'd rather take our family vacation in a state that celebrates family values (and has great bar eques) rather than one that worships sodomy and transvestism.
Anonymous
Post 04/02/2016 08:51     Subject: Would you relocate your OBX trip bc of new NC law?
You guys are so, SO right? Why, no one really cares about you and your bathroom habits?

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Secret-Recording-Store-Mall-Antelope-Valley-Palmdale-Restroom-207541101.html
Anonymous
Post 04/01/2016 18:29     Subject: Would you relocate your OBX trip bc of new NC law?
Anonymous wrote:"The NC attorney general says his office will not defend the law in court and the state will have to hire outside counsel to defend against the numerous lawsuits."

Sounds like he's cut from the same cloth of that clerk in Kentucky. If he refuses to do his job, he should resign.


No, prosecutors are vested with something known as prosecutorial discretion. Feel free to look it up. A county clerk has statutorily-prescribed duties and no legal discretion to shirk them.
Anonymous
Post 04/01/2016 17:30     Subject: Would you relocate your OBX trip bc of new NC law?
Perhaps, but I am open-minded enough to not care how others live. Well, unless they are stepping on the rights of others.

Please explain how you are so open minded and worldly.
Anonymous
Post 04/01/2016 17:29     Subject: Would you relocate your OBX trip bc of new NC law?
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Anonymous wrote:I'd definitely consider shifting my summer vacation to a different location.

And I'd be sure to email the NC tourism board to let them know! That's the only way to make a difference. If the tourism board gets 1,000 emails from people saying they're moving their vacations, I'm sure someone will take note.


Not really. They'll get just as many from people saying they are supporting Nc because of the law


All the more reason for me to write then, to offset the onslaught of mail from the people who support that sort of law. Right?
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Post 04/01/2016 17:22     Subject: Would you relocate your OBX trip bc of new NC law?
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Anonymous wrote:I'd definitely consider shifting my summer vacation to a different location.

And I'd be sure to email the NC tourism board to let them know! That's the only way to make a difference. If the tourism board gets 1,000 emails from people saying they're moving their vacations, I'm sure someone will take note.


Not really. They'll get just as many from people saying they are supporting Nc because of the law


I doubt that those people can write anything comprehensible.


Ha! You'd be surprised. You need to get out of your liberal beltway bubble a little more often


I'm not from DC. All of the bigots I've met are uneducated. Sure there might be a handful of educated right-wing nuts, but they are the exception.

Most highly educated folks are more open-minded.
Most uneducated folks are bigots.

Look at the people voting for Trump. That will give great insight.

Since when does "more open minded" = agrees with you? Very small minded on your part pp. You must live a very narrow existence.