Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a novel idea:

Offer general education, honors, and AAP in ES - similar to MS and HS (GE, honors, AP).

In ES, parents could decide if they wanted their DC in GE or honors. And keep AAP for those who qualify.

My oh my what a GREAT idea!!!

I think this is a great idea but it doesn't fix the issue in identifying qualifying gifted minority students. I don't buy into the notion that half of humanity is inherently less intelligent.

LOL... sorry to burst your bubble, but yes, half the kids are below average and thus less intelligent than the other half. It's a statistics thing....

Anonymous wrote:Here's a novel idea:

Offer general education, honors, and AAP in ES - similar to MS and HS (GE, honors, AP).

In ES, parents could decide if they wanted their DC in GE or honors. And keep AAP for those who qualify.

My oh my what a GREAT idea!!!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a novel idea:

Offer general education, honors, and AAP in ES - similar to MS and HS (GE, honors, AP).

In ES, parents could decide if they wanted their DC in GE or honors. And keep AAP for those who qualify.

My oh my what a GREAT idea!!!

I think this is a great idea but it doesn't fix the issue in identifying qualifying gifted minority students. I don't buy into the notion that half of humanity is inherently less intelligent.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the difference between discrimination theory and distribution theory.

Both have advocates and merits, but to believe discrimination theory you have to believe all traits exists in equal frequency among all cultures, populations, races, etc.

Just take a look at the NBA.

Blacks are better at basketball primarily because they play it more often and take it up as a hobby at very young ages. And the large proportion of black people in the NBA encourages more black kids to participate in the sport and this effectively snowballs over time. There is also much to the self-fulfilling prophecy / halo effect is in play for Black athletes. For instance, if you remind an Asian student and a Black student of their race prior to an examination (through a demographic questionnaire, for example), the Asian kid will score higher and the Black kid will score lower than what they would have scored without the reminder. Likewise, if you remind an Asian Girl she's Asian prior to a math exam, she'll score higher; while if you remind her she's a girl, she'll score lower. All this to say, because society has stereotypes for different races of kids, they will lead to self-fulfilling feedback loops. When everyone believes Black kids should be great at basketball, it will lead to more confidence and positive feedback (and shaming on the other end of the spectrum), which leads to more practice and competition, which then leads to better athletes. Bias also comes into play. In football quarterbacks are disproportionally white, receivers and RB's black and there are differences in how players are used. A white RB will typically have a fullback role and white receiver typically tasked to short routes even though their measurables indicate they are suited to take larger roles. Black QB's are typically found in spread offenses where they are expected to run more and not called on to run more complicated pass schemes even though the evidence may show the player could run a traditional drop back pass offense. These differences can only be explained by the bias of coaches. It starts at the junior high or youth level as players get slotted into roles often based on a quick perception early in practice.
A white player who would likely be a guard is often steered into baseball.

Thinking of it another way. Are Hispanics/Latinos genetically predisposed to play Baseball well? Nope. But young boys all over central America and the Caribbean play it constantly, at a high level, to best their friends/opponents and neighbors for fun. They become good, they become great - and many wind up in a academy/training/recruiting system which eventually fills the ranks of professional baseball (wherever it is played). They simpler work harder and longer at it . Even weather is a factor; people who live in temperate climate zones are more likely to excel at outdoor sports.

My 7yo Asian-American son loves basketball. He has always loved basketball. It is unlikely that he will ever play in the NBA. DH is 5'9" and I am 5'4". DS is 40% for height right now. I am almost certain he will get into AAP.

According to the person giving the baseball example... all your child needs to do is play basketball constantly with friends, or go to a training system, or work harder or longer at basketball. Because there clearly isn't a genetic component to anything which matters for basketball... like, perhaps, height.

This rationale always makes me laugh. "Oh, but a child just needs the right environment."

Anonymous wrote:Here's a novel idea:

Offer general education, honors, and AAP in ES - similar to MS and HS (GE, honors, AP).

In ES, parents could decide if they wanted their DC in GE or honors. And keep AAP for those who qualify.

My oh my what a GREAT idea!!!

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps. But it allows PARENTS to make the decisions about their child's academics. As it now, if you are not in AAP, you are SOL. So, offering honors-which is open enrollment, allows for parental choice. Don't forget taxpayers (also know as parents) are paying for the public education service. It is about time parents are heard!

Anonymous wrote:My kids are all n AAP, but I know many who feel their kids in GE are SOL. Parents know best! Start honors in 3rd.

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps. But it allows PARENTS to make the decisions about their child's academics. As it now, if you are not in AAP, you are SOL. So, offering honors-which is open enrollment, allows for parental choice. Don't forget taxpayers (also know as parents) are paying for the public education service. It is about time parents are heard!

Anonymous wrote:Here's a novel idea:

Offer general education, honors, and AAP in ES - similar to MS and HS (GE, honors, AP).

In ES, parents could decide if they wanted their DC in GE or honors. And keep AAP for those who qualify.

My oh my what a GREAT idea!!!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the difference between discrimination theory and distribution theory.

Both have advocates and merits, but to believe discrimination theory you have to believe all traits exists in equal frequency among all cultures, populations, races, etc.

Just take a look at the NBA.

Blacks are better at basketball primarily because they play it more often and take it up as a hobby at very young ages. And the large proportion of black people in the NBA encourages more black kids to participate in the sport and this effectively snowballs over time. There is also much to the self-fulfilling prophecy / halo effect is in play for Black athletes. For instance, if you remind an Asian student and a Black student of their race prior to an examination (through a demographic questionnaire, for example), the Asian kid will score higher and the Black kid will score lower than what they would have scored without the reminder. Likewise, if you remind an Asian Girl she's Asian prior to a math exam, she'll score higher; while if you remind her she's a girl, she'll score lower. All this to say, because society has stereotypes for different races of kids, they will lead to self-fulfilling feedback loops. When everyone believes Black kids should be great at basketball, it will lead to more confidence and positive feedback (and shaming on the other end of the spectrum), which leads to more practice and competition, which then leads to better athletes. Bias also comes into play. In football quarterbacks are disproportionally white, receivers and RB's black and there are differences in how players are used. A white RB will typically have a fullback role and white receiver typically tasked to short routes even though their measurables indicate they are suited to take larger roles. Black QB's are typically found in spread offenses where they are expected to run more and not called on to run more complicated pass schemes even though the evidence may show the player could run a traditional drop back pass offense. These differences can only be explained by the bias of coaches. It starts at the junior high or youth level as players get slotted into roles often based on a quick perception early in practice.
A white player who would likely be a guard is often steered into baseball.

Thinking of it another way. Are Hispanics/Latinos genetically predisposed to play Baseball well? Nope. But young boys all over central America and the Caribbean play it constantly, at a high level, to best their friends/opponents and neighbors for fun. They become good, they become great - and many wind up in a academy/training/recruiting system which eventually fills the ranks of professional baseball (wherever it is played). They simpler work harder and longer at it . Even weather is a factor; people who live in temperate climate zones are more likely to excel at outdoor sports.

My 7yo Asian-American son loves basketball. He has always loved basketball. It is unlikely that he will ever play in the NBA. DH is 5'9" and I am 5'4". DS is 40% for height right now. I am almost certain he will get into AAP.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the difference between discrimination theory and distribution theory.

Both have advocates and merits, but to believe discrimination theory you have to believe all traits exists in equal frequency among all cultures, populations, races, etc.

Just take a look at the NBA.

Blacks are better at basketball primarily because they play it more often and take it up as a hobby at very young ages. And the large proportion of black people in the NBA encourages more black kids to participate in the sport and this effectively snowballs over time. There is also much to the self-fulfilling prophecy / halo effect is in play for Black athletes. For instance, if you remind an Asian student and a Black student of their race prior to an examination (through a demographic questionnaire, for example), the Asian kid will score higher and the Black kid will score lower than what they would have scored without the reminder. Likewise, if you remind an Asian Girl she's Asian prior to a math exam, she'll score higher; while if you remind her she's a girl, she'll score lower. All this to say, because society has stereotypes for different races of kids, they will lead to self-fulfilling feedback loops. When everyone believes Black kids should be great at basketball, it will lead to more confidence and positive feedback (and shaming on the other end of the spectrum), which leads to more practice and competition, which then leads to better athletes. Bias also comes into play. In football quarterbacks are disproportionally white, receivers and RB's black and there are differences in how players are used. A white RB will typically have a fullback role and white receiver typically tasked to short routes even though their measurables indicate they are suited to take larger roles. Black QB's are typically found in spread offenses where they are expected to run more and not called on to run more complicated pass schemes even though the evidence may show the player could run a traditional drop back pass offense. These differences can only be explained by the bias of coaches. It starts at the junior high or youth level as players get slotted into roles often based on a quick perception early in practice.
A white player who would likely be a guard is often steered into baseball.

Thinking of it another way. Are Hispanics/Latinos genetically predisposed to play Baseball well? Nope. But young boys all over central America and the Caribbean play it constantly, at a high level, to best their friends/opponents and neighbors for fun. They become good, they become great - and many wind up in a academy/training/recruiting system which eventually fills the ranks of professional baseball (wherever it is played). They simpler work harder and longer at it . Even weather is a factor; people who live in temperate climate zones are more likely to excel at outdoor sports.