Anonymous wrote:JFC, how about I make the decisions that are right for my family and you do the same for yours. Some dogs would be fine being left at home with blankets and food, some wouldn't. Some people would be fine leaving their pets at home, some wouldn't. Some people are allergic to pets or just dislike them, some aren't/don't. Some people would welcome pets, some wouldn't.

I won't judge you for not wanting my dogs in your home. How about you don't judge me for not leaving them. They're wusses that get scared of frogs making noises when we camp and think roughing it is sleeping in their beds on the floor instead of in bed with us. I'm just as big a cotton candy ass as they are, in the immortal words of Jed Bartlett, and would spend the whole time worrying about them.

You do you, I'll do me, everyone just MYOB.

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Anonymous wrote:What's the right move when your friends lose power, you want to invite them to stay at your house (you have not lost power), but they have two dogs and you have animal allergies? Tell them they can come but the dogs have to stay home? Tell them they can bring the dogs and you just suffer?

How will they get to your house? Your post is hypothetical. You can't leave dogs alone. If you lose power and can get to the dog people house, would you go? If you invite them and they come who knows if you will lose power after they arrive?

Are you in a large building with a generator? If people came to my house with cats I'd be a mess-my eyes even have swollen shut. Would they stay in their car?

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Anonymous wrote:I would be OK with people, not with dogs. And there's nothing wrong with leaving dogs in an unheated house with some extra blankets, checking on them twice daily. Good grief, people. They're DOGS!! My kids ride horses that wear a blanket and stay in the pasture through this weather.

A horse that lives outside all year long is not the same as a dog (social animal, by the way, who is used to living in a pack) who is used to living in a temperature controlled environment with humans.

It's fine that you don't like animals in your house. Don't offer for them to stay. But suggesting it is okay to leave dogs in a house with no heat when the temperature dips down to 17 degrees is ridiculous. Montgomery County just instituted fines for people who leave their dogs outside in the winter. If you can be fined for leaving your dog in a dog house outside in the winter, then how is it okay to leave the dog in an equally cold house while you take comfort somewhere else?

You obviously have no understanding of Thermodynamics. Have you ever even had a Science course?

Yes. I've also lost power in February. And while my house didn't get as cold as outside, it dipped down to 30 degrees. The law in Montgomery County applies to winter in general. So if someone can be fined for leaving their dog outside in 40 degree temperatures, how is that different from leaving them inside a house that is 40 degrees?

I don't know why people get so nasty on this board and toss around insults. Guess what? I'd rather freeze to death than stay with people who think it's fine if a dog dies because they don't want to be made uncomfortable for a few days.

Do you know that people go camping with dogs in sub-freezing temperatures? The dogs survive, as do the people. But according to you, if they camped in a Montgomery County park with their dogs, they'd be charged with a crime?

There's a key difference - the humans are WITH the dogs. So if the dog shows signs of suffering or not handling it well, the human can take action. Again, we're talking about LEAVING DOGS ALONE in possibly difficult conditions.

The issue isn't staying with the dogs in cold temps. It is ABANDONING THE DOGS in conditions that YOU DON'T WANT TO ENDURE YOURSELF. That is where the ethical issue comes into play.

OMG you're nuts. It's not "ABANDONING" if you plan to check on them and keep them fed, watered, and sheltered. Good grief. You're like a bad caricature of the crazy dog person.

NP, seriously what is your problem? What is it off your back if people wouldn't want to leave their dogs alone in the cold? You seem to be arguing that the RIGHT choice is to abandon them. That is nuts and seriously you are the one who sounds unhinged.

JFC, how about I make the decisions that are right for my family and you do the same for yours. Some dogs would be fine being left at home with blankets and food, some wouldn't. Some people would be fine leaving their pets at home, some wouldn't. Some people are allergic to pets or just dislike them, some aren't/don't. Some people would welcome pets, some wouldn't.

I won't judge you for not wanting my dogs in your home. How about you don't judge me for not leaving them. They're wusses that get scared of frogs making noises when we camp and think roughing it is sleeping in their beds on the floor instead of in bed with us. I'm just as big a cotton candy ass as they are, in the immortal words of Jed Bartlett, and would spend the whole time worrying about them.

You do you, I'll do me, everyone just MYOB.

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Anonymous wrote:I simple do not like pets, hence they are not invited - humans only. If that's a problem, well, I offered - they can choose to stay home or go someplace else if the dogs are SOOO important to them.

You're a hideous human being. You don't have to like pets or invite them but to lack the understanding that an animal needs heat, food and shelter like any other living thing? Gross. Asshole.

Do you want dogs to die? My dog also needs water every day. You are a terrible person.

My pets are part of my family. If we lose power, we're going to have a fire in our fireplace. I'll also fashion clothes for my dogs out of old blankets. They don't like to wear clothes, but i need to keep them warm.

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Anonymous wrote:I would be OK with people, not with dogs. And there's nothing wrong with leaving dogs in an unheated house with some extra blankets, checking on them twice daily. Good grief, people. They're DOGS!! My kids ride horses that wear a blanket and stay in the pasture through this weather.

A horse that lives outside all year long is not the same as a dog (social animal, by the way, who is used to living in a pack) who is used to living in a temperature controlled environment with humans.

It's fine that you don't like animals in your house. Don't offer for them to stay. But suggesting it is okay to leave dogs in a house with no heat when the temperature dips down to 17 degrees is ridiculous. Montgomery County just instituted fines for people who leave their dogs outside in the winter. If you can be fined for leaving your dog in a dog house outside in the winter, then how is it okay to leave the dog in an equally cold house while you take comfort somewhere else?

You obviously have no understanding of Thermodynamics. Have you ever even had a Science course?

Yes. I've also lost power in February. And while my house didn't get as cold as outside, it dipped down to 30 degrees. The law in Montgomery County applies to winter in general. So if someone can be fined for leaving their dog outside in 40 degree temperatures, how is that different from leaving them inside a house that is 40 degrees?

I don't know why people get so nasty on this board and toss around insults. Guess what? I'd rather freeze to death than stay with people who think it's fine if a dog dies because they don't want to be made uncomfortable for a few days.

Do you know that people go camping with dogs in sub-freezing temperatures? The dogs survive, as do the people. But according to you, if they camped in a Montgomery County park with their dogs, they'd be charged with a crime?

There's a key difference - the humans are WITH the dogs. So if the dog shows signs of suffering or not handling it well, the human can take action. Again, we're talking about LEAVING DOGS ALONE in possibly difficult conditions.

The issue isn't staying with the dogs in cold temps. It is ABANDONING THE DOGS in conditions that YOU DON'T WANT TO ENDURE YOURSELF. That is where the ethical issue comes into play.

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One of my dogs gets separation anxiety if we are gone for more than 5-6 hours. Even if they could handle the cold, I wouldn't want them to go through that anxiety (and potentially destroy the house). Not to mention they freak out during storms. And this is going to be a big one.

Also, how can you be sure you can come back regularly if the storm is so bad.

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Anonymous wrote:I would be OK with people, not with dogs. And there's nothing wrong with leaving dogs in an unheated house with some extra blankets, checking on them twice daily. Good grief, people. They're DOGS!! My kids ride horses that wear a blanket and stay in the pasture through this weather.

A horse that lives outside all year long is not the same as a dog (social animal, by the way, who is used to living in a pack) who is used to living in a temperature controlled environment with humans.

It's fine that you don't like animals in your house. Don't offer for them to stay. But suggesting it is okay to leave dogs in a house with no heat when the temperature dips down to 17 degrees is ridiculous. Montgomery County just instituted fines for people who leave their dogs outside in the winter. If you can be fined for leaving your dog in a dog house outside in the winter, then how is it okay to leave the dog in an equally cold house while you take comfort somewhere else?

You obviously have no understanding of Thermodynamics. Have you ever even had a Science course?

Yes. I've also lost power in February. And while my house didn't get as cold as outside, it dipped down to 30 degrees. The law in Montgomery County applies to winter in general. So if someone can be fined for leaving their dog outside in 40 degree temperatures, how is that different from leaving them inside a house that is 40 degrees?

I don't know why people get so nasty on this board and toss around insults. Guess what? I'd rather freeze to death than stay with people who think it's fine if a dog dies because they don't want to be made uncomfortable for a few days.

Do you know that people go camping with dogs in sub-freezing temperatures? The dogs survive, as do the people. But according to you, if they camped in a Montgomery County park with their dogs, they'd be charged with a crime?

There's a key difference - the humans are WITH the dogs. So if the dog shows signs of suffering or not handling it well, the human can take action. Again, we're talking about LEAVING DOGS ALONE in possibly difficult conditions.

The issue isn't staying with the dogs in cold temps. It is ABANDONING THE DOGS in conditions that YOU DON'T WANT TO ENDURE YOURSELF. That is where the ethical issue comes into play.

Wait, are you saying that you can never leave your dog alone? Do you take your dog to work with you? Can you not feed your dog a can of food and go out to a nice restaurant that doesn't allow dogs, or is that unethical?

I explained that. There's a difference between leaving your dog alone in a temperature-controlled environment to go to work for 10 hours or to go to a restaurant and leaving your dog alone in a situation where there is no heat in the house, temps are dropping, and you can't reasonably assume that you can get to the dog to check on it because it's snowmaggedon.

I don't care if you all call me crazy. You are being intentionally obtuse, and you know it.

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Anonymous wrote:I would be OK with people, not with dogs. And there's nothing wrong with leaving dogs in an unheated house with some extra blankets, checking on them twice daily. Good grief, people. They're DOGS!! My kids ride horses that wear a blanket and stay in the pasture through this weather.

A horse that lives outside all year long is not the same as a dog (social animal, by the way, who is used to living in a pack) who is used to living in a temperature controlled environment with humans.

It's fine that you don't like animals in your house. Don't offer for them to stay. But suggesting it is okay to leave dogs in a house with no heat when the temperature dips down to 17 degrees is ridiculous. Montgomery County just instituted fines for people who leave their dogs outside in the winter. If you can be fined for leaving your dog in a dog house outside in the winter, then how is it okay to leave the dog in an equally cold house while you take comfort somewhere else?

You obviously have no understanding of Thermodynamics. Have you ever even had a Science course?

Yes. I've also lost power in February. And while my house didn't get as cold as outside, it dipped down to 30 degrees. The law in Montgomery County applies to winter in general. So if someone can be fined for leaving their dog outside in 40 degree temperatures, how is that different from leaving them inside a house that is 40 degrees?

I don't know why people get so nasty on this board and toss around insults. Guess what? I'd rather freeze to death than stay with people who think it's fine if a dog dies because they don't want to be made uncomfortable for a few days.

The law is stupid, and it's one reason I would never live in Montgomery County. You still haven't answered the question of what you think would happen to a dog in a 30-degree house, sheltered, with blankets and plenty of food and water.

It depends on the dog. Likely, the dog would spend the entire time shivering. Unless it's a husky, in which case it would be fine.

My dogs would probably be okay with the cold (they're cold-weather breeds), but they wouldn't eat or drink if I suddenly disappeared for 2 days. They'd definitely suffer. I wouldn't put them through that.

Other breeds are a different story. But we're not talking about wild animals who are used to being on their own. We're talking about pets who are used to living with people. It's cruel to put your dog through that.

You can never leave your dog alone?

Not for extended periods of time and especially if you don't know if you can immediately get to them (like in a blizzard).

Most humane people are in agreement that it is cruel to leave a dog alone for EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME, like over 12 hours. Especially a could of days.

Most people wouldn't leave their dogs alone in a house for 2 days in normal conditions. That's why they arrange for care when they go away.

No one is saying you can't leave your dog alone for a reasonable amount of time. But packing up your stuff to go stay with someone else for more than a day in a situation where you don't know how cold your house could get because power and heat are out is ridiculous. Either you stay there with your dog (so you know if it gets too bad) or you make arrangements for the dog.

That's what responsible pet owners do. If you are not prepared to do that, fine. Don't get a pet if you are not going to take responsibility for its well being. It's a living thing. Not a toy. Not a doll. A living thing.

You people are ridiculously cruel. I don't get the nastiness. Why are people sooooo offended that someone wouldn't want to abandon their dog? Guess what? My dog wouldn't leave me -- even to save his own life. People could learn a little from that kind of loyalty.

You people are just mean. Don't pat yourself on your back for offering a place to stay if you're going to be nasty when the person says, "No, I have to make sure my dog is okay."

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Anonymous wrote:I would be OK with people, not with dogs. And there's nothing wrong with leaving dogs in an unheated house with some extra blankets, checking on them twice daily. Good grief, people. They're DOGS!! My kids ride horses that wear a blanket and stay in the pasture through this weather.

A horse that lives outside all year long is not the same as a dog (social animal, by the way, who is used to living in a pack) who is used to living in a temperature controlled environment with humans.

It's fine that you don't like animals in your house. Don't offer for them to stay. But suggesting it is okay to leave dogs in a house with no heat when the temperature dips down to 17 degrees is ridiculous. Montgomery County just instituted fines for people who leave their dogs outside in the winter. If you can be fined for leaving your dog in a dog house outside in the winter, then how is it okay to leave the dog in an equally cold house while you take comfort somewhere else?

You obviously have no understanding of Thermodynamics. Have you ever even had a Science course?

Yes. I've also lost power in February. And while my house didn't get as cold as outside, it dipped down to 30 degrees. The law in Montgomery County applies to winter in general. So if someone can be fined for leaving their dog outside in 40 degree temperatures, how is that different from leaving them inside a house that is 40 degrees?

I don't know why people get so nasty on this board and toss around insults. Guess what? I'd rather freeze to death than stay with people who think it's fine if a dog dies because they don't want to be made uncomfortable for a few days.

Do you know that people go camping with dogs in sub-freezing temperatures? The dogs survive, as do the people. But according to you, if they camped in a Montgomery County park with their dogs, they'd be charged with a crime?

There's a key difference - the humans are WITH the dogs. So if the dog shows signs of suffering or not handling it well, the human can take action. Again, we're talking about LEAVING DOGS ALONE in possibly difficult conditions.

The issue isn't staying with the dogs in cold temps. It is ABANDONING THE DOGS in conditions that YOU DON'T WANT TO ENDURE YOURSELF. That is where the ethical issue comes into play.

Wait, are you saying that you can never leave your dog alone? Do you take your dog to work with you? Can you not feed your dog a can of food and go out to a nice restaurant that doesn't allow dogs, or is that unethical?

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Anonymous wrote:I would be OK with people, not with dogs. And there's nothing wrong with leaving dogs in an unheated house with some extra blankets, checking on them twice daily. Good grief, people. They're DOGS!! My kids ride horses that wear a blanket and stay in the pasture through this weather.

A horse that lives outside all year long is not the same as a dog (social animal, by the way, who is used to living in a pack) who is used to living in a temperature controlled environment with humans.

It's fine that you don't like animals in your house. Don't offer for them to stay. But suggesting it is okay to leave dogs in a house with no heat when the temperature dips down to 17 degrees is ridiculous. Montgomery County just instituted fines for people who leave their dogs outside in the winter. If you can be fined for leaving your dog in a dog house outside in the winter, then how is it okay to leave the dog in an equally cold house while you take comfort somewhere else?

You obviously have no understanding of Thermodynamics. Have you ever even had a Science course?

Yes. I've also lost power in February. And while my house didn't get as cold as outside, it dipped down to 30 degrees. The law in Montgomery County applies to winter in general. So if someone can be fined for leaving their dog outside in 40 degree temperatures, how is that different from leaving them inside a house that is 40 degrees?

I don't know why people get so nasty on this board and toss around insults. Guess what? I'd rather freeze to death than stay with people who think it's fine if a dog dies because they don't want to be made uncomfortable for a few days.

Do you know that people go camping with dogs in sub-freezing temperatures? The dogs survive, as do the people. But according to you, if they camped in a Montgomery County park with their dogs, they'd be charged with a crime?

There's a key difference - the humans are WITH the dogs. So if the dog shows signs of suffering or not handling it well, the human can take action. Again, we're talking about LEAVING DOGS ALONE in possibly difficult conditions.

The issue isn't staying with the dogs in cold temps. It is ABANDONING THE DOGS in conditions that YOU DON'T WANT TO ENDURE YOURSELF. That is where the ethical issue comes into play.

OMG you're nuts. It's not "ABANDONING" if you plan to check on them and keep them fed, watered, and sheltered. Good grief. You're like a bad caricature of the crazy dog person.

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Anonymous wrote:I would be OK with people, not with dogs. And there's nothing wrong with leaving dogs in an unheated house with some extra blankets, checking on them twice daily. Good grief, people. They're DOGS!! My kids ride horses that wear a blanket and stay in the pasture through this weather.

A horse that lives outside all year long is not the same as a dog (social animal, by the way, who is used to living in a pack) who is used to living in a temperature controlled environment with humans.

It's fine that you don't like animals in your house. Don't offer for them to stay. But suggesting it is okay to leave dogs in a house with no heat when the temperature dips down to 17 degrees is ridiculous. Montgomery County just instituted fines for people who leave their dogs outside in the winter. If you can be fined for leaving your dog in a dog house outside in the winter, then how is it okay to leave the dog in an equally cold house while you take comfort somewhere else?

You obviously have no understanding of Thermodynamics. Have you ever even had a Science course?

Yes. I've also lost power in February. And while my house didn't get as cold as outside, it dipped down to 30 degrees. The law in Montgomery County applies to winter in general. So if someone can be fined for leaving their dog outside in 40 degree temperatures, how is that different from leaving them inside a house that is 40 degrees?

I don't know why people get so nasty on this board and toss around insults. Guess what? I'd rather freeze to death than stay with people who think it's fine if a dog dies because they don't want to be made uncomfortable for a few days.

Do you know that people go camping with dogs in sub-freezing temperatures? The dogs survive, as do the people. But according to you, if they camped in a Montgomery County park with their dogs, they'd be charged with a crime?

There's a key difference - the humans are WITH the dogs. So if the dog shows signs of suffering or not handling it well, the human can take action. Again, we're talking about LEAVING DOGS ALONE in possibly difficult conditions.

The issue isn't staying with the dogs in cold temps. It is ABANDONING THE DOGS in conditions that YOU DON'T WANT TO ENDURE YOURSELF. That is where the ethical issue comes into play.

No, this is where your mental illness is showing. I sleep on a $4k mattress. Would it be unethical for me to have a cheaper bed for my dog because I'm not willing to endure sleeping on a dog bed?

You're batsh1t crazy, lady. BATSH!T CRAZY!

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Anonymous wrote:I would be OK with people, not with dogs. And there's nothing wrong with leaving dogs in an unheated house with some extra blankets, checking on them twice daily. Good grief, people. They're DOGS!! My kids ride horses that wear a blanket and stay in the pasture through this weather.

A horse that lives outside all year long is not the same as a dog (social animal, by the way, who is used to living in a pack) who is used to living in a temperature controlled environment with humans.

It's fine that you don't like animals in your house. Don't offer for them to stay. But suggesting it is okay to leave dogs in a house with no heat when the temperature dips down to 17 degrees is ridiculous. Montgomery County just instituted fines for people who leave their dogs outside in the winter. If you can be fined for leaving your dog in a dog house outside in the winter, then how is it okay to leave the dog in an equally cold house while you take comfort somewhere else?

You obviously have no understanding of Thermodynamics. Have you ever even had a Science course?

Yes. I've also lost power in February. And while my house didn't get as cold as outside, it dipped down to 30 degrees. The law in Montgomery County applies to winter in general. So if someone can be fined for leaving their dog outside in 40 degree temperatures, how is that different from leaving them inside a house that is 40 degrees?

I don't know why people get so nasty on this board and toss around insults. Guess what? I'd rather freeze to death than stay with people who think it's fine if a dog dies because they don't want to be made uncomfortable for a few days.

Do you know that people go camping with dogs in sub-freezing temperatures? The dogs survive, as do the people. But according to you, if they camped in a Montgomery County park with their dogs, they'd be charged with a crime?

There's a key difference - the humans are WITH the dogs. So if the dog shows signs of suffering or not handling it well, the human can take action. Again, we're talking about LEAVING DOGS ALONE in possibly difficult conditions.

The issue isn't staying with the dogs in cold temps. It is ABANDONING THE DOGS in conditions that YOU DON'T WANT TO ENDURE YOURSELF. That is where the ethical issue comes into play.

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A horse that lives outside all year long is not the same as a dog (social animal, by the way, who is used to living in a pack) who is used to living in a temperature controlled environment with humans.

It's fine that you don't like animals in your house. Don't offer for them to stay. But suggesting it is okay to leave dogs in a house with no heat when the temperature dips down to 17 degrees is ridiculous. Montgomery County just instituted fines for people who leave their dogs outside in the winter. If you can be fined for leaving your dog in a dog house outside in the winter, then how is it okay to leave the dog in an equally cold house while you take comfort somewhere else?

You obviously have no understanding of Thermodynamics. Have you ever even had a Science course?

Yes. I've also lost power in February. And while my house didn't get as cold as outside, it dipped down to 30 degrees. The law in Montgomery County applies to winter in general. So if someone can be fined for leaving their dog outside in 40 degree temperatures, how is that different from leaving them inside a house that is 40 degrees?

I don't know why people get so nasty on this board and toss around insults. Guess what? I'd rather freeze to death than stay with people who think it's fine if a dog dies because they don't want to be made uncomfortable for a few days.

The law is stupid, and it's one reason I would never live in Montgomery County. You still haven't answered the question of what you think would happen to a dog in a 30-degree house, sheltered, with blankets and plenty of food and water.

It depends on the dog. Likely, the dog would spend the entire time shivering. Unless it's a husky, in which case it would be fine.

My dogs would probably be okay with the cold (they're cold-weather breeds), but they wouldn't eat or drink if I suddenly disappeared for 2 days. They'd definitely suffer. I wouldn't put them through that.

Other breeds are a different story. But we're not talking about wild animals who are used to being on their own. We're talking about pets who are used to living with people. It's cruel to put your dog through that.

You can never leave your dog alone?